Why Elohim if God is Absolutely One?

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scapularkid8 said:
“Just as the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than your ways, and my thoughts are higher than your thoughts.” -Isaiah 55:9
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That sounds obvious. Is that supposed to mean anything else?
 
Ben_Masada said:
**No one can tell what God is like. Read Isaiah 46:5.
“Whom would you compare Me with, as an equal, or match Me against as though we were alike?” **
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Then, except for what was revealed of Him by Him (and even about what was revealed), how would you be so sure that what you tell us about God is necessarily conform to who He really is? How are you so sure that there was no further development in the Divine Revelation and in the doctrines already present in the teachings of God through Moses, the Prophets, the Other Writings and the commentaries thereof?
 
Is God like this and that because the Jews decided that He is like this and that… and nothing else (for instance, He can’t be One God and three Persons) ?
 
Ben_Masada said:
That’s not a screen name, Scap. That’s my real name. My father was Masada ben Avraham and mine is J. Ben Masada. Sorry for not spelling my first name.
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I’m glad to learn it. I had thought that Ben might have stood for Beniamin, although I could not be sure 100%. Most of us have a screen name. First time I hear of Masada as a first name, though… but then there have been many first names that I have been hearing or seeing for the first time…
 
Ben_Masada said:
Wow Ren12! Shalom to you too from Yerushalaim.
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There would not have been the New Testament had it not been for God’s Revelation to Israel in the TaNaKH and the Jewish Greek version of the Bible! Because the Church has always claimed to be in continuity with God’s Revelation to the Israelites.
 
That the Gentiles would not know as much about the Jewish religious customs and rules other than from the TaNaKH should not be surprising. But as for those who were born Jews, even from the diasporah, it’s something else!
 
Lapell said:
Then, except for what was revealed of Him by Him (and even about what was revealed), how would you be so sure that what you tell us about God is necessarily conform to who He really is? How are you so sure that there was no further development in the Divine Revelation and in the doctrines already present in the teachings of God through Moses, the Prophets, the Other Writings and the commentaries thereof?
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Sorry Lapell, but God is not like a man to change. You are being the victim of a spurious bible.
 
Lapell said:
Is God like this and that because the Jews decided that He is like this and that… and nothing else (for instance, He can’t be One God and three Persons) ?
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Why would God be in three persons, because Christians have decided that He should be? You are not making sense Lapell.
 
Lapell said:
I’m glad to learn it. I had thought that Ben might have stood for Beniamin, although I could not be sure 100%. Most of us have a screen name. First time I hear of Masada as a first name, though… but then there have been many first names that I have been hearing or seeing for the first time…
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Why are you glad? Do you like my name? Some years ago, soon after I saw that movie “Masada,” I thought about changing my name because of the mass suicide that happened up that Mountain. I had always thought that’s better a coward alive than a dead hero. Those who killed themselves in Masada had become dead cowards. If they had all to be killed, I expected that it happened fighting and not by killing themselves.
 
Ben_Masada said:
Why would God be in three persons, because Christians have decided that He should be? You are not making sense Lapell.
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No, it’s not the Christians who decided it. In a case like this, either God is or isn’t. No midway!! I know no passage in the TaNaKH explicitly speaks of the Trinity. But there are implicit references. You deny their meaning to POSSIBLY include an implicit reference to the Trinity. But because you deny it doesn’t automatically mean that you are right even if you are a Jew…
 
Ben_Masada said:
Why are you glad? Do you like my name? Some years ago, soon after I saw that movie “Masada,” I thought about changing my name because of the mass suicide that happened up that Mountain. I had always thought that’s better a coward alive than a dead hero. Those who killed themselves in Masada had become dead cowards. If they had all to be killed, I expected that it happened fighting and not by killing themselves.
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What I meant was, I am glad to know that it’s your real name, for I had wondered what it could be, and of course wouldn’t be able to answer myself! That’s all there is to my being “glad”… Why should you want me to despise you and to hate you? What should I hate somebody whom God considers one of His own no matter what?
Denis
 
Ben_Masada said:
Why are you glad? Do you like my name? Some years ago, soon after I saw that movie “Masada,” I thought about changing my name because of the mass suicide that happened up that Mountain. I had always thought that’s better a coward alive than a dead hero. Those who killed themselves in Masada had become dead cowards. If they had all to be killed, I expected that it happened fighting and not by killing themselves.
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If you consider your name to be a curse, then of course I can’t be happy of your unhappiness.
Did your father consider it a heavy burden he could have done without had he had the choice? If that’s the case, I sympathize. Though I take it he must have done his best for this not to keep him from living the best life he could, and then he’d be worth our admiration.
 
Lapell said:
No, it’s not the Christians who decided it. In a case like this, either God is or isn’t. No midway!! I know no passage in the TaNaKH explicitly speaks of the Trinity. But there are implicit references. You deny their meaning to POSSIBLY include an implicit reference to the Trinity. But because you deny it doesn’t automatically mean that you are right even if you are a Jew…
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You are going in circle like a broken-neck chicken. But because you believe that God is Trinitarian, it does not automatically mean it is true because you are a Catholic.
 
Lapell said:
What I meant was, I am glad to know that it’s your real name, for I had wondered what it could be, and of course wouldn’t be able to answer myself! That’s all there is to my being “glad”… Why should you want me to despise you and to hate you? What should I hate somebody whom God considers one of His own no matter what?
Denis
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Thank you Lapell. And shalom to you too from Yerushalaim.
 
Ben_Masada said:
No, but He cannot be the way you want because you are a Catholic.
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Your being a Jew and my being a Catholic have no bearing on how God is. How exactly God is One, which we too say God is BTW, is what we differ on.
And no, it has nothing to do with your Greek mythology because the Greek gods are not “one”, not at all!
 
Ben_Masada said:
You are going in circle like a broken-neck chicken. But because you believe that God is Trinitarian, it does not automatically mean it is true because you are a Catholic.
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Just like your believing God is not Trinitarian does not mean God is not because you are a Jew!
Going like a circle if you will, but we are doing it together, Y.!!! Just tells you that what we affirm we can’t per se “prove” though hints CAN point to the truth: it’s a matter of faith here!
 
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