Why Evangelicals are returning

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I was raised as an Evangelical and attended those type of churches up until 6 years ago when I started attending a more liberal church.

God knows my heart and what would get my attention.

I thank God I found the Latin mass first. It made an impression on me, that the OF would not have. But that is me.

I am curious as to the percentage of Evangelicals that attend OF’s versus EF’s.

And of those who attend the EF, how many of them if given the choice of their first mass would have chosen the EF versus the OF.
I agree, it would be an interesting statistic to know, but I fear that we will not get an accurate poll from CAF, as many of the active members tend toward a more traditional POV. But perhaps someone knows of a study with this information and will post it.

I can only speak for myself and my husband, and I realize that our opinion may not be the same as others. I don’t believe my husband and I would ever have gotten involved with Catholicism through the Latin Mass. And even though the EF is offered daily in our city, as well as on weekends, we have no wish to attend regularly. We like to understand what we hear.

I know of no evangelical converts who attend the Latin Mass in our city, but I know several dozen who attend OF Masses in our parish and in other parishes.
 
I agree with Cat.

Most evangelical converts who appreciate modern liturgies, toned-down traditions, brighter music, and homilies delivered-with-a-smile will naturally be attracted to the RCC. Indeed, the modern Church and the OF liturgy both seem to be designed to attract this type of convert. The modern Church is intentionally non-threatening and user friendly. It wants to meet its separated brethren where they are, treat them like true brothers and sisters, and welcome them to the fullness of the Faith without unnecessary delay.

Orthodoxy has nothing to offer along those lines. The liturgy is a thousand years older than the Tridentine Mass. Sacred tradition is even older and is part and parcel of Orthodox catechesis. Aspiring converts [from any non-Orthodox confession] face a steep learning curve. They are made aware of the errors and heresies of their former church - and are required to renounce them - before they are received into the Church. Although Orthodoxy attracts fewer converts than does the RCC, it continues to attract them in greater numbers each year.
 
I agree with Cat.

Most evangelical converts who appreciate modern liturgies, toned-down traditions, brighter music, and homilies delivered-with-a-smile will naturally be attracted to the RCC. Indeed, the modern Church and the OF liturgy both seem to be designed to attract this type of convert. The modern Church is intentionally non-threatening and user friendly. It wants to meet its separated brethren where they are, treat them like true brothers and sisters, and welcome them to the fullness of the Faith without unnecessary delay.

Orthodoxy has nothing to offer along those lines. The liturgy is a thousand years older than the Tridentine Mass. Sacred tradition is even older and is part and parcel of Orthodox catechesis. Aspiring converts [from any non-Orthodox confession] face a steep learning curve. They are made aware of the errors and heresies of their former church - and are required to renounce them - before they are received into the Church. Although Orthodoxy attracts fewer converts than does the RCC, it continues to attract them in greater numbers each year.
As a black woman in NYC, I am definitely in the minority as a Catholic, as most black Christians in the City are Evangelicals. I am even more of a minority at the TLM.

I once visited an Orthodox church and I saw a black woman. After the liturgy, I went to speak to her and asked her how in the world did she end up at an Orthodox church?

She told me one day she was strolling by and as she strolled by she felt a very strong impression that she should visit this church. So she noted the liturgy times and she came back the next Sunday. She was hooked. That brings up another question about evangelization and Orthodox churches, but I think I will ask it on the Eastern forum.
 
One of the reasons why Orthodoxy has attracted evangelical Protestants is that there is a teaching in evangelical circles that the Orthodox Church is True, Original, New Testament Christianity.

I remember hearing this teaching over and over again for years back when my husband and I were evangelical Protestants. I remember when we went to the March For Life, we were told to "Watch for the Orthodox Christians who will be up on the podium. These men are the “True, Original Christians.” We believed this.

What’s interesting is that a lot of evangelicals believe the teaching, but they don’t become Orthodox. Isn’t that strange?

But I think the reason is that a lot of evangelicals know absolutely nothing about Orthodoxy. My husband and I sure didn’t.

We thought, and they still THINK that Orthodoxy is “Heavy” Evangelical Protestantism. Of course we know it isn’t. Orthodoxy is very simliar to Catholicism. But evangelical Protestants don’t know this. They have no idea.

I remember when my husband and I were looking into Catholicism, we also looked into Orthodoxy, and we were completely shocked to learn what the Orthodox Church teaches. Marian doctrines?! I think a lot of evangelical Protestants don’t realize this at all! If they did, they sure would not be calling Orthodox Christianity “the Original Christianity!”

One of the main reasons why evangelical Protestants get interested in Orthodoxy and “trust” it more than they Catholicism is that several very prominant and revered evangelicals have converted to Orthodoxy.

The main one is Frank Schaeffer, the son of the absolutely beloved and even adored Francis Schaeffer (who started L’Abri in Switzerland, and wrote the classic, How Shall We Then Live: The Rise and Fall Of Western Culture And Thought).

I’m not sure if I can convey to non-Protestants the incredible influence of Francis Schaeffer; to this day, many evangelical Protestants, and even some mainline Protestants, consider Schaeffer the Consummate and Ultimate Intellectual of the Christian (not just Protestant, but Christian) world. I can still remember the day he died–our church was in mourning. Many were sobbing over the passing of this great man.

Back in the 1970s and 1980s, his son Frank Schaeffer became known as “the angry young man” of Christianity. He wrote several scathing books about the sorry state of Christianity, which were snapped up by those of us who were young (especially teenagers). There was a lot of debate in evangelical Protestant circles about whether Frank was merely a bratty curmudgeon, or whether he was the successor to his brilliant and beloved father. (Frank was hard to love!).

But no matter which side you took, you still respected him mainly because you respected anyone conceived by the great Francis Schaeffer!

So when Frank Schaeffer converted to Orthodoxy, it created huge shock waves among evangelicals, and many who trusted the Schaeffers decided that if Frank Schaeffer could convert to Orthodoxy, then it must be the Truth.

Another very prominent evangelical Protestant who converted to Orthodoxy was Peter Gilchrist. This man is not quite so well-known among evangelicals, but he was certainly a heavy-weight, and wrote several excellent books that I still have in my library.

Evangelical Protestants tend to “jump on bandwagons” and follow “the latest fad” in Christianity. They say that they “search the Scriptures” and “test the Spirits,” but all too often, they really don’t. They rely on “who they trust” rather than actually studying what those people teach.

When you think about it, it makes sense, since in evangelical Protestantism, there is no “body of teaching” that is considered “authoratative” Christianity" (like there is in Catholicism). Evangelical Protestants believe that the only authority is the Holy Bible, and they believe that the Holy Spirit leads every believer into truth as they read the Bible. Well, we can see that this doesn’t work out in real life (many hundreds if not thousands of denominations that teach different things about Christianity).

I know that quite a few evangelical Protestants have become Catholic in recent years, but to my knowledge, there are no heavy-weights who have converted. People like Tim Staples, Jeff Cavins, David Currie, etc. were all unknown pastors before converting. They were not renowned and beloved authors and speakers like Frank Schaeffer and Peter Gilchrist.

IMO–and I hasten to emphasize that this is only my opinion and I have not read this elsewhere–if and when a prominent evangelical Protestant converts to Catholicism, the floodgates will open and many evangelical Protestants will follow.

I’m talking about heavy, beloved, trustworthy evangelical Protestants people like Dr. James Dobson, or Billy Graham (who is still alive), or Franklin Graham, or Phillip Yancey, or John Ortberg, or Anne Graham Lotz or Beth Moore (although I’m not sure if the women evangelical Protestant celebs would have as much influence as the men–interesting question).

So IMO, Satan is working triple double quadruple overtime to prevent the conversion of prominent evangelical Protestants to Catholicism. Pray for them and be a strong Catholic witness to them if you get the chance.

Nowadays, I’m betting that a lot of evangelical Protestants will be learning all about Othodoxy from the internet. Before the internet, there was no way that evangelicals could learn much about Orthodoxy because there wasn’t a lot of material out there within easy reach. Many cities don’t have an Orthodox church, so it wasn’t possible for Protestants to go visit.

I hope these comments provide useful and throught-provoking information.
 
There are many reasons why evangelicals are returning to the Catholic Church. Some grow tired of the smoke and mirrors of the entertainment centers called mega-churches. Others tire of the constant battle as to who ‘gets it right’ in regard to Biblical interpretation.
Others, like me desired a deeper worship that three songs and a sermon.
Oh, and ah there are MANY former evangelicals to love and prefer the Tridentine Latin Mass.
 
But I think the reason is that a lot of evangelicals know absolutely nothing about Orthodoxy. My husband and I sure didn’t.
Neither did I. I thought it was some Eastern Religion where the pastors wear beards and big hats.
 
Beth Moore (although I’m not sure if the women evangelical Protestant celebs would have as much influence as the men–interesting question).

As a convert who still watches Joyce Meyer each morning before Morning Mass I think it would be HUGE if someone like her or Beth Moore converted. I know lots of women, even the unchurched who swear by Joyce Meyer and lots of others who attend Beth Moore bible studies. . I actually pray for Joyce as a student of the Word that she will find her way to the Church Jesus started. Her program and CCM radio are my last vestiges of my former Protestant life:)
 
I’ve never thought of Orthodoxy as anything like “heavy” Evangelical Protestantism, but I do agree from my own limited experience that it’s been much easier to learn about since the age of the internet. Before, I only heard of Orthodoxy as a teenager through Dostoyefsky, Solzhenitsyn, and the Desert Fathers. I knew little about it till I came across the Monks of New Skete, who have written some of the best-selling dog training books in the US, plus a book or two about spirituality. I still don’t personally know any Orthodox Christians, and I think there are only two or three Orthodox churches in all of the well-populated county in which I live.
 
From what I’ve seen, the Evangelicals that are converting to Catholicism are yearning for traditionalist Catholicism, as in old-style,* missa cantata* Catholicism of our fathers. I think the majority of Evangelicals that are looking for Catholicism are looking for it for the same reason they seek the beauty of Orthodoxy.

I know this is a no-no to say on this forum but the reason I’ve been interested in Catholicism is for that old Church. The modernist Church with the empty, lifeless unsung Mass and the ugly new age architecture does it no justice and does not impress me.
I can’t speak for anyone else but I have the same inclinations you do. What attracts me is the ancient Church. Some reasons I am dissatisfied where I am is: the rejection of tradition; the rejection of duty, hierarchy and authority; the embracing of jacobin equality; and the apparent contempt of beauty. I think, but this is really just speculation, that I would feel a stronger pull to the Catholic Church of old. Of course I’m aware that I tend to idealize the past. And I’m also aware that I still have much work to do in being able to surrender my expectations of perfection in this world.
 
My husband and I, along with our daughter, are converts to Catholicism from evangelical Protestantism.

We believe that there are two main reasons that evangelicals are converting:
  1. They read the Bible inside and out, and ask the Holy Spirit to help them understand and apply it. According to Jesus, if human fathers can give good gifts to their children, our Heavenly Father will be even more able to give good gifts to those who ask. The Bible says, “Ask, and it shall be given.” When evangelical Protestants sincerely ask the Holy Spirit to open up the Word of God and help them to understand it, they see that the Bible describes the Catholic Church in every book, and that the Catholic Church IS the Church that Jesus established.
  2. They sincerely love Jesus and want to follow Him and obey Him in all things, even to the point of giving their lives for Him. So when Protestants tell Jesus this and pledge their hearts and very lives to Him, He will, because of His great love for them, lead them to the Catholic Church. Although some evangelical Protestants get scared and shy away from this leading, thinking that they are being deceived, others decide to trust the Lord Jesus and follow Him, even if they are afraid or wary of where He is leading them.
These things have always been true of evangelicals, but the reason why so many are now converting has to do with the ease of acquiring information in this computer age. In the past, it was difficult for evangelicals to explore Catholicism because they were so incredibly busy in their own evangelical Protestant churches with various (and many) ministries. But now through online sites such as CAF and many others, evangelicals can study and learn all about Catholicism, and even see a Mass for themselves, all on their own time. So Praise God for computers!
I live in the Bible Belt. The world headquarters of the Assemblies of God is very near to where I live. We have a lot of converts in my parish; probably evenly matched between Evangelicals and Fundamentalists. The only thing I can add to what you said (and I have heard converts say it) is this. Evangelicals REALLY want to be “close to Jesus”. So do Fundamentlaists. Once they really understand the Eucharist, they realize there is no “closer to Jesus” than that.
 
Beth Moore (although I’m not sure if the women evangelical Protestant celebs would have as much influence as the men–interesting question).

As a convert who still watches Joyce Meyer each morning before Morning Mass I think it would be HUGE if someone like her or Beth Moore converted. I know lots of women, even the unchurched who swear by Joyce Meyer and lots of others who attend Beth Moore bible studies. . I actually pray for Joyce as a student of the Word that she will find her way to the Church Jesus started. Her program and CCM radio are my last vestiges of my former Protestant life:)
I hope Joyce Meyer does, too. She might actually be Christian, then!
 
Two reasons why some Evangelicals may prefer Orthodoxy:
  1. The Orthodox recently dropped their centuries old teaching that contraception was a serious sin and now permit it (with the permission of one’s Orthodox priest).
NB: All Protestant churches taught that contraception was a serious sin until the Anglican/Episcopal Lambeth Conference of 1930 permitted it for the first time, and every Protestant organization has followed them down that path to perdition.
  1. The Orthodox permit three divorces and two remarriages, thus allowing some members to live in adultery.
These are the precise reasons I knew the Orthodox Churches (plural) could not be the One True Church when I looked into converting.

Jim Dandy
Ex-Southern Baptist, ex-agnostic, ex-atheist, ecstatic to be Catholic!
 
Jim,

I am slowly studying Orthodoxy.

The universal Church is indeed founded by the apostles…East and West. But the issues you bring up with modern Orthodox with the issues of the Latin Church, it does seem that at the heart…the Latin Church is leading its flock into a deeper life in Christ…the permanency of marriage and the condemnation of contraception.

The world has lost its soul to the flesh, and marriage should be taken alot more seriously within Christianity itself. Too many people rush into it. The ones who end up suffering the most are the children, their personal lives fragmented.
 
I live in the Bible Belt. The world headquarters of the Assemblies of God is very near to where I live. We have a lot of converts in my parish; probably evenly matched between Evangelicals and Fundamentalists. The only thing I can add to what you said (and I have heard converts say it) is this. Evangelicals REALLY want to be “close to Jesus”. So do Fundamentlaists. Once they really understand the Eucharist, they realize there is no “closer to Jesus” than that.
I was a Methodist with a more evangelical bent than my denomination and that is what did it for me.
 
I was a Methodist with a more evangelical bent than my denomination and that is what did it for me.
We have Fundamental Methodists here, and they don’t even remotely resemble the mainline Methodist Church. I’m not sure why they keep the name.
 
Two reasons why some Evangelicals may prefer Orthodoxy:
  1. The Orthodox recently dropped their centuries old teaching that contraception was a serious sin and now permit it (with the permission of one’s Orthodox priest).
NB: All Protestant churches taught that contraception was a serious sin until the Anglican/Episcopal Lambeth Conference of 1930 permitted it for the first time, and every Protestant organization has followed them down that path to perdition.
  1. The Orthodox permit three divorces and two remarriages, thus allowing some members to live in adultery.
These are the precise reasons I knew the Orthodox Churches (plural) could not be the One True Church when I looked into converting.
Jim Dandy
Ex-Southern Baptist, ex-agnostic, ex-atheist, ecstatic to be Catholic!
The Orthodox Church recognizes the sanctity of marriage and sees it as a life-long commitment. However, there are certain circumstances in which it becomes evident that there is no love or commitment in a relationship.
While the Church stands opposed to divorce, the Church, in its concern for the salvation of its people, does permit divorced individuals to marry a second and even a third time.
The Order of the Second or Third Marriage is somewhat different than that celebrated as a first marriage and it bears a penitential character. Second or third marriages are performed by “economy”—that is, out of concern for the spiritual well being of the parties involved and as an exception to the rule, so to speak. oca.org/questions/sacramentmarriage/divorce-and-remarriage
Here in California, divorce is an operation of civil law. As such, it can be accomplished without the consent of any church official. I am not aware of the Orthodox Church granting annulment of marriage, nor am I aware of a former Protestant who converted to Orthodoxy for the purpose of marrying a divorcee. 🤷
 
I live in the Bible Belt. The world headquarters of the Assemblies of God is very near to where I live. We have a lot of converts in my parish; probably evenly matched between Evangelicals and Fundamentalists. The only thing I can add to what you said (and I have heard converts say it) is this. Evangelicals REALLY want to be “close to Jesus”. So do Fundamentlaists. Once they really understand the Eucharist, they realize there is no “closer to Jesus” than that.
Exactly!
 
… The only thing I can add to what you said (and I have heard converts say it) is this. Evangelicals REALLY want to be “close to Jesus”. So do Fundamentlaists. Once they really understand the Eucharist, they realize there is no “closer to Jesus” than that.
I agree. As a former anti-Catholic evangelical (Southern Baptist variety), my hope is that the ONLY reason an evangelical becomes Catholic is because he/she has found truth…
 
Jim Dandy is greatly exaggerating.

It is true that the Orthodox do allow in some cases divorce and remarriage, as part of their economia, but it’s not as simple as giving any parishioner free rein to divorce and remarry. The Orthodox Church can reject petitions to remarry as the Catholic Church can - and does do so too.

Jim Dandy’s assertions on why Protestants might prefer Orthodoxy are simply wrong.
 
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