Why Evangelicals are returning

[LowerCasec]

Why I haven’t returned to Rome.

Other gave examples why, I’m giving a counter example.

 

[loko]

Why I haven’t returned to Rome.

Other gave examples why, I’m giving a counter example.

Again this has nothing to do with the topic of the thread.

Start another thread titled ‘why I am not returning to Rome’.

This thread is for discussing evangelicals returning to Rome and why.

We are not discussing why Lutherans or EO’s or Anglicans are NOT returning to Rome.

 

[LowerCasec]

And shame on you for blasting “EO” are these not your brothers and sisters in Christ?Titling people and acting like an alpha male is not how 1 John 4 invisioned loving one another.

 

[benjohnson]

I can tell you why Lutherans are becoming Catholic: The largest Lutheran synod (the ELCA) has gone nuts - with a pro-abortion stance that the leadership is trying to shove down the churches throat.

Kind of ironic, that Lutherans fled from bad governance and made their own form of governance, and that governance is acting badly. Maby we need a reformation on the reformation

Thankfully, not only is there the Catholic church to go to, but other Lutheran Synods, some of which are very conservative.

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As for why converts to Catholicism from the Lutheran church are so outspoken about heresy - we’ve seen what happens when we’re not outspoken. The church rots from the inside.

 

[loko]

And shame on you for blasting “EO” are these not your brothers and sisters in Christ?Titling people and acting like an alpha male is not how 1 John 4 invisioned loving one another.

Can you read? Seriously, please tell me what the title of the thread is. Does it mention EO, Lutherans or Anglicans and why they are or are not returning to Rome? No it doesn’t.

By all means contribute to the thread but in context, discuss Evangelicals and why they are returning to Rome.

If you want to discuss something else, start another thread.

 

[CopticChristian]

Why have the EO’s hijacked this thread?

I have read the entire thread which is meant to be discussing why** Evangelicals are returning to Rome.**

Out of nowhere an EO poster decides to state why the Evangelical chose Rome over EO.

This thread has nothing to do with EO.

Read the thread title.

If you want to discuss Evangelicals returning to Rome in comparison with Evangelicals returning to EO, start another thread for goodness sakes.

No wonder people were talking over each other and not understanding where the other poster was coming from.

I understand your sentiment and since I started this thread as to the Evangelicals it may appear that the EO have hijacked the thread. The hijack is pertinent to Evangelicals leaving to go somewhere. The EO and OHCAC are two repositories of that leaving. It matters not what the Evangelicals choose in their leaving. The leaving is the issue. You are correct. That is my two cents.

 

[CopticChristian]

And this one thing at least is certain; whatever history teaches, whatever it omits, whatever it exaggerates or extenuates, whatever it says and unsays, at least the Christianity of history is not Protestantism. If ever there were a safe truth, it is this.

To Be Deep In History, Is To Cease To Be A Protestant—Cardinal John Henry Newman

Ran,

If everyone believed this then there would be more than Evangelicals leaving for the EO or the OHCAC. Sadly they pick and choose their history.

 

[CopticChristian]

If only this otherwise helpful and concise statement could aid those grappling with the question in deciding which of Catholicism or Eastern Orthodoxy is that “Christianity of history”…

Trebor you are correct Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy are Historical Christianity.

 

[CopticChristian]

I’d have to have been there to start with in order to return.

Let’s face it, had I been alive 6-700 years ago, I’d been executed.

I don’t mean this to troll or flame, but a lot of good Christians were martyred by the Church in order to maintain loyalty, Girolamo Savonarola comes to mind.

LC,

Why would you have been executed?

 

[CopticChristian]

And shame on you for blasting “EO” are these not your brothers and sisters in Christ?Titling people and acting like an alpha male is not how 1 John 4 invisioned loving one another.

LC,

It is not prudent to divide EO and OHCAC in your disparaging. Whose side are you on…well I don’t know, not their side, what about my side…don’t offer shame. I suggest you refrain from correction in this regard. The thread is about why Evangelicals are leaving and not blasting anyone.

 

[CopticChristian]

I can tell you why Lutherans are becoming Catholic: The largest Lutheran synod (the ELCA) has gone nuts - with a pro-abortion stance that the leadership is trying to shove down the churches throat.

Kind of ironic, that Lutherans fled from bad governance and made their own form of governance, and that governance is acting badly. Maby we need a reformation on the reformation

Thankfully, not only is there the Catholic church to go to, but other Lutheran Synods, some of which are very conservative.

…

As for why converts to Catholicism from the Lutheran church are so outspoken about heresy - we’ve seen what happens when we’re not outspoken. The church rots from the inside.

Ben,

This would only be true if you understand that the real reformation was the counter reformation that actually reformed and did not split.

 

[loko]

I understand your sentiment and since I started this thread as to the Evangelicals it may appear that the EO have hijacked the thread. The hijack is pertinent to Evangelicals leaving to go somewhere. The EO and OHCAC are two repositories of that leaving. It matters not what the Evangelicals choose in their leaving. The leaving is the issue. You are correct. That is my two cents.

You started the thread and if you are okay with the sidetracking and hijacking it’s all good with me.

I just get frustrated when people do not stick to the title of the thread.

This issue interests me as a Catholic, I am not interested in why people are choosing us over EO, Lutheranism or Anglicanism. Or why individual posters on this thread are choosing not to return to Rome.

I am actually interested in the title of the thread.

 

[CopticChristian]

You started the thread and if you are okay with the sidetracking and hijacking it’s all good with me.

I just get frustrated when people do not stick to the title of the thread.

This issue interests me as a Catholic, I am not interested in why people are choosing us over EO, Lutheranism or Anglicanism. Or why individual posters on this thread are choosing not to return to Rome.

I am actually interested in the title of the thread.

Lo,

If you don’t like the direction of the thread reframe it. When you reframe you control the conversation. Here is where you pointed out your dissatisfaction.

I

'd have to have been there to start with in order to return.

Let’s face it, had I been alive 6-700 years ago, I’d been executed.

I don’t mean this to troll or flame, but a lot of good Christians were martyred by the Church in order to maintain loyalty, Girolamo Savonarola comes to mind.

To reframe this you do two things. The first thing is acknowledge what is said and then the second is to state where you want the conversation to go. Example.

LC, as a Lutheran I understand and appreciate your concern about martyrdom based on what you believe. I imagine that in those Evangelical bodies where people are leaving and coming to the OHCAC they may percieve themselves as being martyred for what they believe too as they no longer accept the Evangelical premise. It has been stated that Evangelicals are coming home to Rome and I understand to the EO as well. Evangelicals are seeing disatisfaction. You register disatisfaction too. Are you considering EO or the OHCAC.

That is what I would do.

 

[loko]

Lo,

If you don’t like the direction of the thread reframe it. When you reframe you control the conversation. Here is where you pointed out your dissatisfaction.

I

To reframe this you do two things. The first thing is acknowledge what is said and then the second is to state where you want the conversation to go. Example.

LC, as a Lutheran I understand and appreciate your concern about martyrdom based on what you believe. I imagine that in those Evangelical bodies where people are leaving and coming to the OHCAC they may percieve themselves as being martyred for what they believe too as they no longer accept the Evangelical premise. It has been stated that Evangelicals are coming home to Rome and I understand to the EO as well. Evangelicals are seeing disatisfaction. You register disatisfaction too. Are you considering EO or the OHCAC.

That is what I would do.

Thank you for the advice, I’ll keep it in mind.

 

[Trebor135]

As intelligent as Trebor is,

Why thank you!

I think it is likely that he has already done some cursory investigation of Oriental Orthodoxy and the Assyrian Church of the East.

I’ve done some cursory reflection on the issue. The Catholics on the one hand and Oriental Orthodox/Assyrian Church of the East on the other have determined after many centuries of bickering that both sides can be considered orthodox, so I’ve seen no reason to complicate matters still further and take on the task of investigating which christological views are the most patristic. (And combining both the Assyrian Church of the East and the Ancient Church of the East, the communion has so few adherents–five hundred thousand–that I find it not very plausible its potential status as the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. Plus, to the best of my knowledge, a parish of the Assyrian/Ancient Church of the East is nowhere to be found in the city where I attend school/live most of the year, and one would be very difficult, if not impossible, to reach in the city where my family resides/I spend the rest of the year.)

The sheer strictness of the abstinence–chiefly no meat and dairy or items tainted by them–required during the year of the Oriental Orthodox (at least Coptic and Ethiopian) also terrifies this feeble Westerner, to be frank. But I would like to think that the extraordinarily penitential way of life expected of the communion’s adherents would not represent an insurmountable obstacle for me if God were truly calling me there. After all, the Eastern Catholics and Eastern Orthodox have similar, though more lenient, such requirements, and I expect that–by the grace of God–I shall manage to cope somehow.

 

[LowerCasec]

CC,

Gave an example of a Martyred Christian in Girolamo Savonarola, I would like to think he and I would be on the same page on many issues. Especially during this tattered point in Rome’s history.

 

[Cavaradossi]

Why thank you!

I’ve done some cursory reflection on the issue. The Catholics on the one hand and Oriental Orthodox/Assyrian Church of the East on the other have determined after many centuries of bickering that both sides can be considered orthodox, so I’ve seen no reason to complicate matters still further and take on the task of investigating which christological views are the most patristic. (And combining both the Assyrian Church of the East and the Ancient Church of the East, the communion has so few adherents–five hundred thousand–that I find it not very plausible its potential status as the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. Plus, to the best of my knowledge, a parish of the Assyrian/Ancient Church of the East is nowhere to be found in the city where I attend school/live most of the year, and one would be very difficult, if not impossible, to reach in the city where my family resides/I spend the rest of the year.)

The sheer strictness of the abstinence–chiefly no meat and dairy or items tainted by them–required during the year of the Oriental Orthodox (at least Coptic and Ethiopian) also terrifies this feeble Westerner, to be frank. But I would like to think that the extraordinarily penitential way of life expected of the communion’s adherents would not represent an insurmountable obstacle for me if God were truly calling me there. After all, the Eastern Catholics and Eastern Orthodox have similar, though more lenient, such requirements, and I expect that–by the grace of God–I shall manage to cope somehow.

Amy good pastor Eastern Orthodox, Eastern Catholic or Oriental Orthodox would ease you into fasting anyway. To expect converts just starting out to be able to abstain from meat, dairy and fish (and oil and wine) every Wednesday and Friday plus great lent, the Apostle’s fast, the Dormition fast and the Nativity fast would be unrealistic.

 

[Eric_Hilbert]

Return to the topic of the OP please

 

[CopticChristian]

I can tell you why Lutherans are becoming Catholic: The largest Lutheran synod (the ELCA) has gone nuts - with a pro-abortion stance that the leadership is trying to shove down the churches throat.

Kind of ironic, that Lutherans fled from bad governance and made their own form of governance, and that governance is acting badly. Maby we need a reformation on the reformation

Thankfully, not only is there the Catholic church to go to, but other Lutheran Synods, some of which are very conservative.

…

As for why converts to Catholicism from the Lutheran church are so outspoken about heresy - we’ve seen what happens when we’re not outspoken. The church rots from the inside.

Ben,

While I understand your position. Eric wants you and all others to return to the topic of why Evangelicals are returning. It is fact that all Protestant thought sprang from the Reformation/split and the relevance is that those that are products of that split are returning from where that split occured.

Eric asks for topical posts.

 

[JustaServant]

Ben,

While I understand your position. Eric wants you and all others to return to the topic of why Evangelicals are returning. It is fact that all Protestant thought sprang from the Reformation/split and the relevance is that those that are products of that split are returning from where that split occured.

Eric asks for topical posts.

Actually Ben is on topic. I think Eric just wanted to stop it from becoming another Catholic/Orthodox derail.