Why evangelize?

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I don’t have the time to muster all my sources right now - it would take quite some time to find all my books from a couple years of study. My point in the previous part was that simply hearing the word is insufficient. One who hears and is discouraged from faith by the hearing is not benefited. I’m not advocating hiding our faith, merely that we not go about sharing it in ways that others will find obnoxious. If someone hears the gospel and finds its message obnoxious, that is their loss. But what of those who find it obnoxious because of the behavior of the messenger? Have we not then caused them to stumble, and do we not bear the guilt for it?
Certainly I’m not advocating being obnoxious when we bring the gospel to people. But the fact that some people are obnoxious when communicating the gospel to strangers in public does not mean that all public evangelism to strangers is wrong. There are plenty of ways to do public evangelism that are kind, gentle, respectful and loving.
 
I didn’t really follow your argument with Dark Light. I assume you were advocating a more direct method of evangelism… as in preaching, etc. And he was advocating more of the mis-attributed St. Francis quote “preach the gospel always and when necessary use words”.
Ah yes, that horrible quote. I know it well. It’s like saying: “Give out your phone number. Use digits if necessary.” 😃
But you’re 100% right, there are a lot of people making excuses right now. And that’s why I said what I said. When we’re in Heaven we don’t want to regret things we didn’t do. Frankly, every one of us is going want to have done more on Earth when we’re in Heaven… but it will be too late.
The Lord is my light and my salvation, of whom shall I be afraid?
Who cares if you “make Christianity look bad”. It doesn’t matter what those people think, all that matters is what Christ thinks. If you preach the Gospel and everyone hates you for it, God will still be very pleased you did so.
Absolutely! We need to be obedient and do so in a loving way toward others. If people react negatively, it doesn’t mean we did something wrong necessarily.
 
Certainly I’m not advocating being obnoxious when we bring the gospel to people. But the fact that some people are obnoxious when communicating the gospel to strangers in public does not mean that all public evangelism to strangers is wrong. There are plenty of ways to do public evangelism that are kind, gentle, respectful and loving.
I’ve always been taught, in our culture, that approaching strangers in public was obnoxious, no matter what purpose. (And honestly I get nervous when a man or group of men approach me in public.) Now I actually think the article I saw once about putting together a discussion booth was a good idea. And I think we should be active in public charity under the name of our faith.

Edit: I don’t think that all negative reactions are our fault, obviously. But I’ve seen too many people justify negative reactions as “persecution for Christ” or “hatred of the gospel” when all that was going on was people resenting having a stranger interrupt them on their way to work.
 
I’ve always been taught, in our culture, that approaching strangers in public was obnoxious, no matter what purpose. (And honestly I get nervous when a man or group of men approach me in public.) Now I actually think the article I saw once about putting together a discussion booth was a good idea. And I think we should be active in public charity under the name of our faith.

Edit: I don’t think that all negative reactions are our fault, obviously. But I’ve seen too many people justify negative reactions as “persecution for Christ” or “hatred of the gospel” when all that was going on was people resenting having a stranger interrupt them on their way to work.
  1. Doesn’t that just go to show how our culture promotes a deficit of conversation? If a norm of U.S. culture is you can’t approach a stranger in public, then how can that even be called public? If you’re in public you might be approached by someone… that’s just the facts of life.
Wouldn’t it be silly if you complained to your friend: “I cannot believe that a stranger approached me in public and wanted to talk about faith!”

Your friend: “GASP! :eek: What is the world coming to when strangers approach you in public?”
  1. If someone’s negative reaction is simply that they were on their way to work… then they shouldn’t logically use that as a reason to hate Christianity should they? I have had friends approached by Mormons that they REALLY wanted to talk to, but were on their way to class.
The only people that would use such an occurrence as a talking point against Christianity, are people that are already against Christianity.
  1. We are many parts, we are all one body. One part of the Church is people who preach in public. And quite frankly, the rest of the body doesn’t appreciate these people very much anymore.
 
  1. Doesn’t that just go to show how our culture promotes a deficit of conversation? If a norm of U.S. culture is you can’t approach a stranger in public, then how can that even be called public? If you’re in public you might be approached by someone… that’s just the facts of life.
From what I’ve seen this depends on the region of the U.S. I’m in the northern part of the midwest. It’s not typical to approach someone on the street, riding the bus, etc. - generally in places where one presumes the majority of people are going to somewhere. Every time I’ve had it happen I’m out in public because I need to be out in public to get somewhere - I take the bus because I need to get to work, and I don’t want to be bothered unless you’re getting me coffee! It’s more acceptable in areas where people go to relax, like public parks or coffeeshops.
  1. If someone’s negative reaction is simply that they were on their way to work… then they shouldn’t logically use that as a reason to hate Christianity should they? I have had friends approached by Mormons that they REALLY wanted to talk to, but were busy.
The only people that would use such an occurrence as a talking point against Christianity, are people that are already against Christianity.
I don’t think it operates alone. But frankly most of the time that sort of public preaching sounds like you’re hawking a bill of goods, not trying to share the love of Christ with someone. I think a lot of Christians use that sort of “evangelism” as a way of getting out of the hard work of truly serving people and meeting them where they’re at.
  1. We are many parts, we are all one body. One part of the Church is people who preach in public. And quite frankly, the rest of the body doesn’t appreciate these people very much anymore.
I can believe that we are all one body without thinking that everything every member of the Church does is helpful or advisable. So I don’t really see your point here.
 
From what I’ve seen this depends on the region of the U.S. I’m in the northern part of the midwest.
Well, I guess I’m blessed that the South has a more hospitable culture than the Midwest 😛
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DarkLight:
I don’t think it operates alone. But frankly most of the time that sort of public preaching sounds like you’re hawking a bill of goods, not trying to share the love of Christ with someone. I think a lot of Christians use that sort of “evangelism” as a way of getting out of the hard work of truly serving people and meeting them where they’re at.
Again, it really doesn’t matter what the people you speak to think. That’s the point, 100% of the people you evangelize to might not have the seeds watered by the Holy Spirit. But at least you scattered the seeds.

There seems to be a great lie many people buy into of “results based evangelism”. We don’t evangelize for results. We evangelize for Christ, and at the end of the day if we have nothing to show for it… no souls won for Christ, it doesn’t matter. God was Glorified. That matters. Actually, that’s ALL that matters.

The man who gains 0 converts, the man who gains 1 convert, and the man who gains 100 converts are all equal in the eyes of God.

The man who tries to gain converts and the man who does not try are not seen equally by God. Vis a vis the Parable of the Talents.
Dark Light:
I can believe that we are all one body without thinking that everything every member of the Church does is helpful or advisable. So I don’t really see your point here.
My point is that it isn’t Biblical for you to think that preaching in public is “not helpful or advisable”.

1 Corinthians 12:22-24a Indeed, the parts of the body that seem to be weaker are all the more necessary, and those parts of the body that we consider less honorable we surround with greater honor, and our less presentable parts are treated with greater propriety, whereas our more presentable parts do not need this.

If serving the poor is more presentable, it doesn’t mean that preaching isn’t necessary. And it is wrong to consider it less honorable. Calling it “not helpful or advisable” is a form of dishonoring this gift of the Spirit.

Ephesians 4:11-12
And he gave some as apostles, others as prophets, others as evangelists, others as pastors and teachers, to equip the holy ones for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ.

“evangelists” is often translators as preachers. And when it talks of preachers or evangelists here it’s not talking about “preaching by your example” it’s talking about straight up preachers.

These are some of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. So… some people are given this gift by the Holy Spirit… and yet you call what they do not helpful, not advisable. Yet the Holy Spirit has called them to this. So, this is why I say that these people are not appreciated by the rest of the body- the Church.
 
Could perhaps the lull in evangelizing efforts be due to the newfound conviction that all “nice people”, or even everybody, goes to heaven, and thus we shouldn’t make ourselves uncomfortable unnecessarily?

Even evangelicals these days have a hard time saying that someone has a higher chance of going to hell than heaven. We like to think the only thing that requires a soul to enter heaven is “trying to be a good person”. Not being one, just trying to be one. It emphasizes that God’s cool with everything and would never judge a person since there’s really no such thing as sin, just ignorance. What’s sad is that now I see this idea spreading into Christian churches left and right. Even written into creeds, prayer books, catechisms, and confessions. The concept that people don’t need Jesus, that nobody really has a need to be Christian. That there is no salvation, or if there is one, anyone can get it by hardly trying. People just need to be themselves. (I am a former New Ager so I’m quite familiar with this way of thinking!)

I can tell you as someone who has lived without Christ in the name of Jesus that there is no way to the Father but through Him. And it pains me to see those who I want to help me spread the message that was brought to me, not be interested in doing so. I’ve even heard the argument that people that haven’t been told of the gospel can’t go to hell, so it’s better to leave them in the dark, so as not to risk their souls!

So I wanted to know, from those of you who believe in evangelization, why you thought it was necessary. And I’ve gotten very good answers. I was a little afraid of getting, “We’ll, Jesus told us to do it. I don’t know why, He just did for some reason.” You seem to have done your homework, I guess I could say.

Please continue to discuss.
 
Could perhaps the lull in evangelizing efforts be due to the newfound conviction that all “nice people”, or even everybody, goes to heaven, and thus we shouldn’t make ourselves uncomfortable unnecessarily?

Even evangelicals these days have a hard time saying that someone has a higher chance of going to hell than heaven. We like to think the only thing that requires a soul to enter heaven is “trying to be a good person”. Not being one, just trying to be one. It emphasizes that God’s cool with everything and would never judge a person since there’s really no such thing as sin, just ignorance. What’s sad is that now I see this idea spreading into Christian churches left and right. Even written into creeds, prayer books, catechisms, and confessions. The concept that people don’t need Jesus, that nobody really has a need to be Christian. That there is no salvation, or if there is one, anyone can get it by hardly trying. People just need to be themselves. (I am a former New Ager so I’m quite familiar with this way of thinking!)

I can tell you as someone who has lived without Christ in the name of Jesus that there is no way to the Father but through Him. And it pains me to see those who I want to help me spread the message that was brought to me, not be interested in doing so. I’ve even heard the argument that people that haven’t been told of the gospel can’t go to hell, so it’s better to leave them in the dark, so as not to risk their souls!
Although you don’t have to be Catholic to be saved, you are always more likely to be saved if you are Catholic.

I can say that, or something to that effect to people at my local parish and cause an uproar. People will tell me (fellow Catholics/ Christians mind you) that far more non-Christians will be saved. I disagree. Heaven is mainly filled with Christians. It’s very hard to follow natural law, when human nature leads us to sin. Without explicitly knowing Christ and His Gospel, I think it’s relatively hard to find Him in your heart.

You’re right, trying to be a good person does not equal following God; and certainly not salvation.

It is always better to hear about Jesus, than not to hear about Him. This is the GOSPEL. It is Good News… in fact, it is the best news someone could hear in their life. Why would you not tell it to them? It’s never better to “leave people in the dark” about Christ… and people that say that are ashamed of the Gospel, or else they don’t know what it is themselves.
 
Here’s the places I find people preaching in the Bible:

(1) In the synagogue
(2) In houses
(3) In their own churches
(4) In the forum (a place designed for public discussion)

You claim that my view is unbiblical, I think you’re reading a modern practice back into the Bible. And like I said, I think it’s often a way people take because it’s the “easy way” of evangelization, the one that doesn’t require true virtue and sacrifice on their part. If we do our evangelization without considering where people are and how to meet them there, then I don’t think we really have succeeded in loving them.
 
From what I’ve seen this depends on the region of the U.S. I’m in the northern part of the midwest. It’s not typical to approach someone on the street, riding the bus, etc. - generally in places where one presumes the majority of people are going to somewhere. Every time I’ve had it happen I’m out in public because I need to be out in public to get somewhere - I take the bus because I need to get to work, and I don’t want to be bothered unless you’re getting me coffee! It’s more acceptable in areas where people go to relax, like public parks or coffeeshops.
It’s definitely more strategic. I’ve done public outreach in places where people are just relaxing and strolling, and it’s usually better than when standing at a bus stop or subway station, where people are hurrying to or from work. That said, I’ve done outreach at both places, and even in the places where people were in a hurry, many people took literature from me and nobody, that I can remember, ever got irritated at me for standing there doing that.
I don’t think it operates alone. But frankly most of the time that sort of public preaching sounds like you’re hawking a bill of goods, not trying to share the love of Christ with someone.
Simply standing out there on one’s own time and handing out materials that one paid for with one’s own money, shows the love of Christ. If people read into that negativity that isn’t there, that’s not the fault of the one doing evangelizing.
I think a lot of Christians use that sort of “evangelism” as a way of getting out of the hard work of truly serving people and meeting them where they’re at.
Do you think it isn’t “hard work” to stand out in public, put yourself at risk of being sneered at and mocked or verbally abused, and try to give people a message that they’re apathetic to?

Also, on a different note, if evangelism were most effective in the context of service, as you imply here, then I’d think the apostles would have done that. They of all people would have seized upon the most effective means to share the gospel, being as sold out to the gospel as they were.
 
Again, it really doesn’t matter what the people you speak to think. That’s the point, 100% of the people you evangelize to might not have the seeds watered by the Holy Spirit. But at least you scattered the seeds.

There seems to be a great lie many people buy into of “results based evangelism”. We don’t evangelize for results. We evangelize for Christ, and at the end of the day if we have nothing to show for it… no souls won for Christ, it doesn’t matter. God was Glorified. That matters. Actually, that’s ALL that matters.
👍 I agree completely! What you just described is common among evangelicals. I once heard a guy at an evangelical church years ago–who was the director of outreach, no less–talk about how they used to hang packets of information (about the church, the gospel, etc.) on doorknobs in the neighborhood but then gave it up because there was “no return” on it. What a horrific way to think. That’s not motivated by love and concern for one’s neighbors but rather selfishness: If I don’t see some results for MY effort, I’m not doing it.
 
Could perhaps the lull in evangelizing efforts be due to the newfound conviction that all “nice people”, or even everybody, goes to heaven, and thus we shouldn’t make ourselves uncomfortable unnecessarily?
It’s hard to pin down reasons for it. The most obvious reason is disobedience to God. I think that is definite. It could also be lack of love for people. Another reason might be fear: fear of rejection, fear of not knowing what to say, fear of suffering for Christ, etc. Also a lot could be the result of a general nonevangelistic culture in churches, both Protestant and Catholic. It isn’t surprising that public evangelism is almost nonexistent when pastors consistently tell their congregations that they don’t have to tell people the gospel right away but can take time to build friendships, wait for unbelievers to see their happy Christian lives and ask them what makes them different. If you are afraid to do something and find it unpleasant, and then a person of authority whom you respect and trust very much says the above, well, you just got your way out, your rubber stamp on not evangelizing.
I can tell you as someone who has lived without Christ in the name of Jesus that there is no way to the Father but through Him. And it pains me to see those who I want to help me spread the message that was brought to me, not be interested in doing so.
I sympathize with your frustration. I’ve been experiencing it for years. It could be–though I don’t know, of course–that people consistently refuse to bring the gospel to the lost simply because they don’t really believe it themselves. You strike me, by the words above, as someone who has come to genuine faith in Christ and, fully believing that Christ is the only way of salvation, want to share that with others. It only makes sense that someone who truly believes it desires deeply to share it with others so that they, too, might experience the same joy. Of course, we cannot judge others. People could be genuinely in fellowship with God but might not evangelize for some other reason, perhaps fear, like I mentioned above.

Still, it’s important for all of us to examine ourselves on this: If we never desire to bring the gospel to the lost, could it be–just maybe–because we’ve never been truly converted?
 
It’s definitely more strategic. I’ve done public outreach in places where people are just relaxing and strolling, and it’s usually better than when standing at a bus stop or subway station, where people are hurrying to or from work. That said, I’ve done outreach at both places, and even in the places where people were in a hurry, many people took literature from me and nobody, that I can remember, ever got irritated at me for standing there doing that.
Maybe. I don’t typically show irritation with people, even if I am irritated. My typical policy if someone hands me literature while I’m waiting for the bus is to take it politely and then throw it away.
Simply standing out there on one’s own time and handing out materials that one paid for with one’s own money, shows the love of Christ. If people read into that negativity that isn’t there, that’s not the fault of the one doing evangelizing.
Do you think it isn’t “hard work” to stand out in public, put yourself at risk of being sneered at and mocked or verbally abused, and try to give people a message that they’re apathetic to?
Yes. We started doing it when I was a kid. It was easy, because there was no need to actually care about the people’s reaction or feel, just hand them the literature and give them the programmed message. It was easy and safe, because we didn’t have to worry about where people were or getting to know someone who wasn’t a Good Christian Like Us. It was comfortable - all that you needed was a bit of time, no risk of any real interaction that might make you uncomfortable or hurt.
 
Maybe. I don’t typically show irritation with people, even if I am irritated. My typical policy if someone hands me literature while I’m waiting for the bus is to take it politely and then throw it away.
That’s you. That’s not everyone. Just because some people might not read something handed to them in public does not mean that everyone won’t. It seems to me that you’re throwing out the baby with the bath water all because of how you and perhaps some others might react.
Yes. We started doing it when I was a kid. It was easy, because there was no need to actually care about the people’s reaction or feel, just hand them the literature and give them the programmed message.
Who told you there wasn’t a need to care about how people feel? I don’t think that way when I’m out doing public outreach.

And keep in mind that the more relational approaches to outreach–in particular friendship evangelism–can also just as easily fall prey to such coldheartedness because it is insincere: befriending someone with an ulterior motive is hardly loving. It’s deceptive and treats other people as projects rather than as human beings because often the one befriended is left and forgotten about once it is clear that no conversion is forthcoming. The only difference is that it involves more sin because the deception is done over a period of time.
It was easy and safe, because we didn’t have to worry about where people were or getting to know someone who wasn’t a Good Christian Like Us. It was comfortable - all that you needed was a bit of time, no risk of any real interaction that might make you uncomfortable or hurt.
That’s just it: There IS risk of uncomfortable interaction. I know because I’ve been through it.
 
That’s just it: There IS risk of uncomfortable interaction. I know because I’ve been through it.
How can a stranger on the street that you only talk to for 2min really make you uncomfortable? You don’t know them, you’re not invested in them.
 
How can a stranger on the street that you only talk to for 2min really make you uncomfortable? You don’t know them, you’re not invested in them.
They can mock you, reject you, sneer at you, vilify you, make a scene, and/or try to ask you trick questions to try to trip you up. I’ve seen all of that happen.
 
Dear OP, your observation is an accurate depiction of the de facto state of contemporary Catholicism. The de jure state of Catholicism, however, which never changes, commands the Catholic Church to evangelize all people.

We evangelize because there is no salvation outside the Church (4th Lateran Council, etc.) and God wishes for all men to be saved (St. Paul). For those who are outside the visible confines of the Church, they may be united to Her through desire and thus attain salvation in ways known only to God (Catechism). However, it is a condemned opinion that we are to have good hope for the salvation of those outside the Church (Syllabus of Errors), for they lack access to the grace-giving sacraments and other helps that the Church provides (Humani generis).
 
They can mock you, reject you, sneer at you, vilify you, make a scene, and/or try to ask you trick questions to try to trip you up. I’ve seen all of that happen.
I’ve seen few people who find that truly uncomfortable. Maybe mildly annoying, but it doesn’t actually have any risk of really challenging them or their way of life and thinking. And street evangelism? You don’t have time to present a full gospel message, just a few quick tricks that don’t contain much of meaning.
 
I’ve seen few people who find that truly uncomfortable. Maybe mildly annoying, but it doesn’t actually have any risk of really challenging them or their way of life and thinking.
For some people it can be very challenging to have to go through that. I’m one of them. 🙂 Rejection, being sneered at, people getting hostile toward you, are not easy for all people. It’s great that you can take it so well, but again, you’re not everyone.
And street evangelism? You don’t have time to present a full gospel message, just a few quick tricks that don’t contain much of meaning.
I disagree. The entire gospel can be presented in just a few Bible verses. It doesn’t have to be complicated. Later on, as a person grows, goes to church, etc., he or she will get more details and grow in understanding, but the initial gospel presentation need not be theologically complex.
 
At the end of the day, the main thing is to bring the gospel to those who need it. That means being proactive. Fishermen don’t sit on the shore and wait for the fish to jump out of the water into the net they’ve spread out over the sand. They get into their boat, launch out to sea, and are proactive. That is what we need to be doing, whether it’s engaging people in a Starbucks, handing out tracts on the street, going door to door, etc. Those who refuse to do this need to question whether 1) they truly love their neighbor and 2) they have even been converted.
 
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