Why exactly did the Jews kill Jesus?

[EndTimes]

Why exactly did the Jews kill Jesus?

The question is problematic.

Let’s look at Catholic Church Teachings re: Jesus’ Death, Jews and The Gospel

From Vat II/Nostre Aetate - Excerpted

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As Holy Scripture testifies, Jerusalem did not recognize the time of her visitationnor did the Jews in large number, accept the Gospel; indeed not a few opposed its spreading.

True, the Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ;

Still, what happened in His passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today.

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The OP question has been more or less reasonably answered - with this caveat:

However - It should have been presented as “some Jews” and not just “Jews”

To blame all Jews for Jewish Jesus’ Death is Anti-Jewish

To attempt to Block portions of Christ’s Gospel - is AntiChristian

 

[Paul_Edwards]

If the Church was going to be sticklers for all St Paul said we would still be required to wear veils, woman would not read or sing in Church, and so on.

That’s why women never read (or even enter the Sanctuary) during the Traditional Latin Mass and that’s why they wear veils. I would encourage you to do.

I found this lovely card
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[Paul_Edwards]

I would also suggest reading Jesus of Nazareth by Pope Benedict for a good summary on this.

I have a copy of it. That was written by Him as a private theologian not as a papal document and hence people do not have to agree with everything contained in it (and certainly should not if there are parts which contradict scripture).

 

[Paul_Edwards]

However - It should have been presented as “some Jews” and not just “Jews”

To blame all Jews for Jewish Jesus’ Death is Anti-Jewish

Nobody blames all Jews, but to keep inserting the word “some” into sentences is not ordinary human language. That’s why the apostles never used the word “some” to state these facts.

And there are plenty of people out there who now have gone as far as to say that we can’t even say it was “some Jews” anymore, so this is what happens when we start using different language like this.

Vatican II should definitely have been more explicit in its writings throughout

 

[TMC]

However - It should have been presented as “some Jews” and not just “Jews”

To blame all Jews for Jewish Jesus’ Death is Anti-Jewish

To attempt to Block portions of Christ’s Gospel - is AntiChristian

Yes, absolutely. We agree 100% on the first part. I would add that blaming them as Jews, rather than simply noting that some of those to blame were Jews, is problematic for me. The reason I say “on the first part” is that I don’t think people are being anti-Christian, I think they are trying to prevent stigmatizing an entire people.

 

[EndTimes]

Nobody blames all Jews,

No.

Since Catholic Teaching Refers to the doing of that as being wrong,
then… some folks would have done that.

All Jews being wrongly called “Christ-Killers” is well-known…

REF: VAT II - NOSTRE AETATE

True, the Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ; still, what happened in His passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today.

 

[TMC]

Nobody blames all Jews, but to keep inserting the word “some” into sentences is not ordinary human language. That’s why the apostles never used the word “some” to state these facts.

Lots of people do blame all Jews, and that has caused all kinds of problems for the last 2,000 years. Using “some” when one means “some” is actually pretty ordinary.

 

[Peebo]

I can’t understand why this should be an issue…the Jewish authorities wanted Jesus done away with…no doubt many Jews followed their leaders and felt likewise…then again many Jews believed in and followed Jesus…it’s like saying Americans are guilty of lynching black people…some authorities condoned it…and they had followers who supported them…others didn’t and fought against it…but we don’t blame all Americans…just as we don’t (or shouldn’t) blame all Jews.

 

[TMC]

I can’t understand why this should be an issue

It is an issue because for 2,000 years the charge of deicide was used as justification for the oppression (and worse) of Jews. Calumnies like the blood curse have haunted an entire people for many centuries, and the Church is determined to put an end to that kind of discrimination.

 

[BlueMaxx]

Short answer: envy.
Longer answer: jealousy and envy.

Really short answer, that was God’s game plan.

The apple of His eye had to be the ones to fulfill the salvation of all mankind…the ones He chose and loved the most had to do the most dastardly thing.

They thought they were following the law, and in the end they were fulfilling it.

By doing so it gave Christ the, if you will, Legal and True Authority to save us…

Boggles the mind.

Luke 23:34

34 And Jesus said: Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.

 

[OurLadyofSorrows]

I go to Latin Mass, as well as my own language Mass, it depends who and where Mass is being celebrated and what different families want for the sacraments, where I live.I do not have to wear a veil, being a woman, the Priest reads at the Mass, no one, including men who are not Priests read with one exception being one man who serves, that reads responses for everyone , where appropriate.
We can and do , all sing where hymns are called for, and in responses. We are, or were , in the process of forming a choir and various ministries for the Latin Mass just before lockdown.

Please do not fall for the discourse that distorts what happens and why at Latin Mass. We do not and should not subscribe to that dichotomy. at aims to ( my new favorite word) ‘other’ anyone who goes to Mass in their own language.
There is reverence in both types of the Masses, and a ton of reverence at indigenous themed masses. Mass is Mass, Jesus is there, that is what the Church teaches.

 

[OurLadyofSorrows]

Our Pope Emeritus would have to be the most significant Theologian of our time imho. He was still clergy when he wrote the series and is a strong supporter of Latin Mass, didnt he lend a lot of support its return, as Pope?

We, as Catholics must remember we are 3 pillars, two of the, being Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition.I always forget the third.

 

[AlNg]

Where does it ever claim in the video that it is heresy to say that the Roman soldiers executed Jesus?

 

[OurLadyofSorrows]

I kept asking and being told to watch the video. You may have better success.

 

[Paul_Edwards]

We do not and should not subscribe to that dichotomy. at aims to ( my new favorite word) ‘other’ anyone who goes to Mass in their own language.
There is reverence in both types of the Masses

I did not question the new mass, I was just responding to what you said about St Paul and pointing out that at the Latin Mass what St Paul asked for is not ignored. I’m sure that sometimes these forms of reverence are also observed at the new mass nevertheless

 

[TMC]

St. Paul is not being “ignored” in the “new” Mass.

 

[AlNg]

I kept asking and being told to watch the video. You may have better success.

He is not answering your question. He is making claims which are apparently unsubstantiated and false.
He says to see this video

The video is full of anti-semitism Here is what he says:

Just go to the video and listen to the quotes:
the Jews are the enemies and haters of God
advocates of the devil
brood of vipers, slanderers and scoffers
congregation of demons and wicked men
the most worthless of all men
worship the devil
their religion is a sickness.
Of course this is anti-semitism and he wants us to watch it?
And BTW, in the video, it says that the Jews are men of darkened minds. If the minds of the Jews are darkened, can someone please tell me why they are winning so many Nobel prizes in physics and other areas?
Jews are 0.2% of the world population but considering Nobel prize winners, Jews have won 40 percent of the economics prizes, 30 percent of the medicine, 25 percent of the physics, 20 percent of the chemistry, 15 percent of the literature and 10 percent of the peace prizes. How does that show that the Jews are men of darkened minds?

 

[TMC]

Do you deny AINg’s description of the quotes in the video? It doesn’t take “critical thinking” to recognize anti-Semitism.

Edit - or are we misunderstanding, and Shoeman is actually speaking against such attitudes?

 

[AlNg]

Do you deny AINg’s description of the quotes in the video? It doesn’t take “critical thinking” to recognize anti-Semitism.

Edit - or are we misunderstanding, and Shoeman is actually speaking against such attitudes?

This is Schoeman quoting Church Fathers which you can check for yourself. He is discussing Christian attitudes toward Jews and how they have changed. tThe anti-semitic quotes are not the opinion of Schoeman himself; he is quoting others.

So what? That has nothing to do with your claim that it is heresy to say that the Roman soldiers executed Jesus.
You claim: it is heresy to say the Roman soldiers executed Jesus.
You were asked to substantiate the claim that it is heresy. i don’t see any Church document saying that it is heresy.

 

[EndTimes]

I can’t understand why this should be an issue…the Jewish authorities wanted Jesus done away with…no doubt many Jews followed their leaders and felt likewise…then again many Jews believed in and followed Jesus…it’s like saying Americans are guilty of lynching black people…some authorities condoned it…and they had followers who supported them…others didn’t and fought against it…but we don’t blame all Americans…just as we don’t (or shouldn’t) blame all Jews.

Exactly… This is a reasonable concise - on what went down with Jesus and the Crucifixion - and what the Catholic Church Teaches re: Blame in Nostre Aetate.
Don’t allow anyone to shut you up!

The underlying problem connects with a GULF between Jews who rejected Jesus and those Christians - starting with some Jews which soon became mostly Gentiles.

There exists anti-Jewish feelings amongst some who label themselves “Christian” and Anti-Christian feelings among some Jews of Today.

At the Holocaust Museum at Yad Vesham, St. Pope John Paul II - underlines that:

1. "Let us build a new future in which there will be no more anti-Jewish feeling among Christians or anti-Christian feeling among Jews"

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Re: Jesus’ Gospel.
It must never be allowed to be Squelched - which started 2000 years ago!

Catholic Teaching: Also from Nostre Aetate

1. As Holy Scripture testifies, Jerusalem did not recognize the time of her visitation, nor did the Jews in large number, accept the Gospel; indeed not a few opposed its spreading.

The OP’s been answered… It should be time to move on.

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