Why Friday??

[silverwings_88]

From the head of my Scripture Study group at Church and a Pentecostal friend of mine, one of them said that Jesus was actually betrayed on the Tuesday, and He was crucified on the Wednesday, which would make the three days before the Resurrection make sense…

However, we celebrate and commemorate the death of the Lord on a Friday, especially that of Good Friday. Why the significance of Friday?

 

[John_Taylor]

Study along with your Bible from the following: bringyou.to/apologetics/num56.htm

in particular:

(D) The Meaning of “Three Days and Three Nights” in Jewish Reckoning

bringyou.to/apologetics/num56.htm#THREEDAYS

it explains why the teaching of your Pentecostal friend is in error.

Keep the Faith
jmt

 

[Joan_M]

silverwings_88:

From the head of my Scripture Study group at Church and a Pentecostal friend of mine, one of them said that Jesus was actually betrayed on the Tuesday, and He was crucified on the Wednesday, which would make the three days before the Resurrection make sense…

However, we celebrate and commemorate the death of the Lord on a Friday, especially that of Good Friday. Why the significance of Friday?

Jesus was, indeed, crucified on Friday - remember, there was an urgency to finish everything before sundown, as the Sabbath started then.

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

silverwings_88:

From the head of my Scripture Study group at Church and a Pentecostal friend of mine, one of them said that Jesus was actually betrayed on the Tuesday, and He was crucified on the Wednesday, which would make the three days before the Resurrection make sense…

However, we celebrate and commemorate the death of the Lord on a Friday, especially that of Good Friday. Why the significance of Friday?

The Sabbath is not Thrusday but Saturday. They should not allow Pentecostals to lead Catholic Bible studies!

 

[Fidelis]

Br. Rich SFO:

The Sabbath is not Thrusday but Saturday. They should not allow Pentecostals to lead Catholic Bible studies!

From the head of my Scripture Study group at Church and a Pentecostal friend of mine, one of them said…

From this, it’s not quite clear who said what and who the leader of the Bible Study is.

 

[silverwings_88]

Fidelis:

From this, it’s not quite clear who said what and who the leader of the Bible Study is.

Sorry for not being clear on this. Our Scripture Study at our church is a faithful Catholic, and a former psychologist. He is very studious and loves the bible as an intellectual passion, and gives us some insight which agree with church teaching to an extent, but are nevertheless extemporaneous to me…

will be back later…

 

[silverwings_88]

silverwings_88:

Sorry for not being clear on this. Our Scripture Study at our church is a faithful Catholic, and a former psychologist. He is very studious and loves the bible as an intellectual passion, and gives us some insight which agree with church teaching to an extent, but are nevertheless extemporaneous to me…

will be back later…

For example, he did tell us that it was actually the Sea or Reeds and not the Red Sea in which the Jews went out during their exile from Egypt, and how the Jews weren’t necessarily in bondage since they settled there.

And so he told me that the betrayal of Jesus is supposed to have happen rather on a Tuesday…

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

silverwings_88:

For example, he did tell us that it was actually the Sea or Reeds and not the Red Sea in which the Jews went out during their exile from Egypt, and how the Jews weren’t necessarily in bondage since they settled there.

And so he told me that the betrayal of Jesus is supposed to have happen rather on a Tuesday…

We “break the bread” (have Mass) on Sunday because Sunday is the day that the Lord rose from the dead. Logically, he rose on the third day, so the day He was crucified must have been Friday. And since Jews in that time didn’t do anything on the Sabbath (which begins sun-down on Friday, it’s logical to assume that Jesus was crucified before the Sabbath began on Friday night.

See Acts 20:7

And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

God bless.

 

[Nicene]

All 4 gospels agree that he died on friday, John 19:31 agrees with the synoptics. What your pentacostal friend and your teacher are alluding to is the problem of the passover in John vs the synoptics. In the synoptics and John Jesus is celebrating the passover meal with the apostles.

The discrepancy with Johns Gospel is that in verses 18:28 and 19:14 which has the Jewish authorities not celebrating the passover until the night of Good Friday itself. So how did Jesus celebrate the passover in the synoptics, while John says it didn’t start until that night? According to John the passover didn’t start until after the crusifixion.

Luckily the dead sea scrolls shed some light on the subject. Not all Jews celebrated under the same calendar. The Essene Jews held a fixed calendar, so the passover was celebrated on the same day every year, while the while the sadducees followed the lunar calendar which had the pasover fall on different days each year. The Essenes followed the the solar calendar (364 days) and the Sadducees who were in charge of the temple followed the Lunar callendar (354 days)

So according to John, 19:31 and 19:14 the the passover and the sabbath fell on the same day that year. The Essenes celebrated passover on tuesday. Did Jesus follow the Essene calendar or the Temple calendar? So passover could have been on either tuesday or on friday. The synoptics aren’t explicit on the day. That means Jesus would be arrested early wednesday morning. (some early bishops state this as well - tuesday night celebration)

However it is also likely that is how we came to have the tradition of Holy Thursday. But for your friend and professor to state that Christ didn’t die on friday is erroneous, all four gospels are specific on it being the day before the sabbath, the sabbath is on saturday.

Betrayed on tuesday? Perhaps, and even likely given current archeological evidence. Crusified on wednesday? Wishful thinking. They are stretching the passover celebration discrepancy to change the date of the crusifixion. All 4 Gospels are explicit on the day of crusifixion as friday. John 19:31 will correct their error, unless they insist the sabbath is on thursday (which it wasn’t), and lines up perfectly with the synoptics.

So basically the synoptics would refer to the Essene passover, while John refers to the Temple passover. It also clears up Mk 14:1 and John 12:1.

Crusifixion: friday, resurrection: sunday.

Peace and God Bless
Nicene

 

[Magicsilence]

Nicene:

Crucifixion: friday, resurrection: sunday.

Peace and God Bless
Nicene

But, but, thats two days?

 

[Joan_M]

Magicsilence:

But, but, thats two days?

It is - the way we count it. It is 3 days the way the Jews counted it : Part of Friday (1 day) All Saturday (the 2nd day) and a part of Sunday (after nidnight till shortly before dawn?) (the 3rd day).

We must be careful to look at things as they were, and understood to be, in the days when Jesus lived, and not as we understand them today.

 

[RCCDefender]

Joan M:

It is - the way we count it. It is 3 days the way the Jews counted it : Part of Friday (1 day) All Saturday (the 2nd day) and a part of Sunday (after nidnight till shortly before dawn?) (the 3rd day).

We must be careful to look at things as they were, and understood to be, in the days when Jesus lived, and not as we understand them today.

Actually one minor correction: I think the teaching I heard was that Christ was crucified at noon and died at three on Friday afternoon. So, yes, that’s Friday (1st day), at sundown Saturday began (2nd day), and (remember, the Jews begin their day at sundown) Sunday for about half the day (from sundown until dawn).

However, the teaching I have trouble reconciling is where Jesus compares himself to Jonah, and he says that just as Jonah was in the belly of the whale three days and three nights, so will the son of man be in the belly of the earth three days and three nights. Jesus was only in the tomb three days and two nights …

 

[John_Taylor]

RCCDefender:

Actually one minor correction: I think the teaching I heard was that Christ was crucified at noon and died at three on Friday afternoon. So, yes, that’s Friday (1st day), at sundown Saturday began (2nd day), and (remember, the Jews begin their day at sundown) Sunday for about half the day (from sundown until dawn).

Which according to the Jewish “inclusive” reckoning of time (part of Friday + the whole of Saturday + part of Sunday ) is the same as “three days and three nights”.

See bringyou.to/apologetics/num56.htm#THREEDAYS

However, the teaching I have trouble reconciling is where Jesus compares himself to Jonah, and he says that just as Jonah was in the belly of the whale three days and three nights, so will the son of man be in the belly of the earth three days and three nights. Jesus was only in the tomb three days and two nights …

The problem, as I see it, is that we tend to bring to this issue our modern view of measuring time - with precise clocks - which the ancients did not have. They apparently had a more generalized view of time such that - when determining the length of time over several days - the part of any one day (24 hr period) was counted as a whole day (both “night and day”). This being the case, when we read in Jonah 1:17 that “Jonah was inside the fish three days and three nights” - for us to conclude that a full 72 hour span of time must be deduced is fo rus to “go beyond” what is written. If it can be seen how “inclusive reckoning” is employed in other passages of Scripture (which it can…I’ll have to find the passage in Acts which I thought best demonstrated this) then the possibility exists that Jonah was in the whale for only the part of “three days and three nights” also. Without explicit time references to measure the “three days and three nights” that Jonah was in the whale it is presumption on our part to say it “has” to be “72 hrs”.

Keep the Faith
jmt

 

[jimmy]

silverwings_88:

From the head of my Scripture Study group at Church and a Pentecostal friend of mine, one of them said that Jesus was actually betrayed on the Tuesday, and He was crucified on the Wednesday, which would make the three days before the Resurrection make sense…

However, we celebrate and commemorate the death of the Lord on a Friday, especially that of Good Friday. Why the significance of Friday?

Lets examine what the four gospels say.

Matt.28 says,1 And in the end of the sabbath, when it began to dawn towards the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalen and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre. 2 And behold there was a great earthquake. For an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and coming, rolled back the stone, and sat upon it.

Mark16 says, 1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalen, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought sweet spices, that coming, they might anoint Jesus. 2 And very early in the morning, the first day of the week, they come to the sepulchre, the sun being now risen. 3 And they said one to another: Who shall roll us back the stone from the door of the sepulchre? 4 And looking, they saw the stone rolled back. For it was very great. 5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed with a white robe: and they were astonished.

Luke24 says, 1 And on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came to the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared. 2 And they found the stone rolled back from the sepulchre. 3 And going in, they found not the body of the Lord Jesus.

John20 says, 1 And on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalen cometh early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre; and she saw the stone taken away from the sepulchre. 2 She ran, therefore, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple whom Jesus loved, and saith to them: They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

Now, that is all four gospels saying that Christ rose on the first day of the week, which was and still is Sunday. This means that Christ was crucified on Friday.

 

[jimmy]

Joan M:

Jesus was, indeed, crucified on Friday - remember, there was an urgency to finish everything before sundown, as the Sabbath started then.

That is true.

John19 says, 31 Then the Jews, (because it was the parasceve,) that the bodies might not remain on the cross on the sabbath day, (for that was a great sabbath day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

 

[John_Taylor]

…here’s an examination of the Acts account I was trying to remember: “The Four Days of Cornelius” which I thought was the best example of “inclusive reckoning” from Scripture I had encountered. The author is non-Catholic but he writes well.

Now let us consider a final clear-cut example of inclusive reckoning that should lay this point to rest with every open-minded reader. It is taken from the New Testament and reveals graphically how days were numbered in the days of Jesus. The following is an account of a 72 hour period, and it calls 72 exact hours “four days,” not three days!

Start at Ninth Hour: In Acts 10:3, Cornelius “saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him.” Follow the story carefully now. He was instructed in the vision to send men to Joppa and call for Peter. “And when the angel which spake unto Cornelius was departed, he called two of his household servants, and … he sent them to Joppa” (verses 7-8).

One Day: “On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew night unto the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray” (verse 9). While praying he had a vision, and the men knocked at his door when his vision ended (verse 17). Please notice that this is one day after Cornelius received his angel visitor. Peter invited the men to come in and lodged them (verse 23).

Two Days: “… And on the morrow Peter went away with them, and certain brethren from Joppa accompanied him” (verse 23). Take note that this is now the second day since the men were dispatched by Cornelius.

Three Days: “And the morrow after they entered into Caesarea. And Cornelius waited for them” (verse 24). This is the third day since Cornelius had his angelic vision. But don’t miss this point - a few minutes later, in talking to Peter, Cornelius said, “Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing” (verse 30).

Three Days = Four days??? Now we get the picture in mind. It had been exactly three days, to the very hour (the ninth hour). Yet Cornelius said, “Four days ago.” How could he say it was four days when it was only three days? Because he used inclusive reckoning, which meant that parts of four days were involved.

For example, in Jewish time, the ninth hour is 3PM. Now, scripture does not say which day Cornelius saw his vision, but it does not matter. Let us hypothetically start on Wednesday. Cornelius saw his vision at 3PM Wednesday (Acts 10:3). Thursday, the men knocked on Peter’s door (verse 17). Friday, Peter went with the men (verse 24). And Saturday at 3 PM, Cornelius said he received his vision “four days ago.” Even though it was 72 hours ago (three days ago), Cornelius said it was four days ago. Count in for your self! Wednesday (1), Thursday (2), Friday (3) and Saturday (4) = Four Days! This is the scriptural way of keeping track of days, which goes contrary to the modern way of keeping track of time.

Now, If Jesus was put in the tomb on Wednesday, and resurrected on Saturday, scripture would have said it was four days. But it describes Jesus’ resurrection as only three days. This is the way scripture describes the length of time Jesus was in the tomb. Even though it was only a part of those three days (part of the 6th day, the entire 7th day, part of the 1st day), it is counted as three full days! Friday (1), Sabbath (2), and Sunday (3) = Three Days!