Why God allowed gays to born?

[TheBreak]

English is not my first language, so I’m sorry for any misspellings.

Gay are getting killed everyday, they are the most hated group on earth at this age,

Don’t tell me that gays choose to be gays because this is STUPID! I know that most Catholics don’t think that but the evangelicals do! I can’t imagine that guy in the middle East in Iran woke up one day and thought “I wanna people to hate me, I wanna suffer, I wanna be killed, hmmm oh I found it, I can turn gay!!!”

Also, some people say that gay sex is wrong, what about the fact that sisters and brothers were having sex together (sons and daughters of Adam and Eve) and that was OKAY!!

Saying that same sex marriage is WRONG!! Why? Why two men or women in love can’t be together, I have gay friends and two of them are couples, the love that I see in them is stronger and greater than the love my parents have. They love each other and stand beside each other and yet they can’t get married, While Britney Spears got married for about 70 days and that was okay, that was marriage. When gay men are couple for more than 30 years and yet, that is not marriage.

Sorry guys if I sound angry, but I DO NOT see one reason to treat LGBT people the way they’ve been treated, and yet, God created them and now he is punishing them? WHY?

 

[cerad2]

Might makes right.

 

[Sister_Terese]

English is not my first language, so I’m sorry for any misspellings.

Gay are getting killed everyday, they are the most hated group on earth at this age,

Don’t tell me that gays choose to be gays because this is STUPID! I know that most Catholics don’t think that but the evangelicals do! I can’t imagine that guy in the middle East in Iran woke up one day and thought “I wanna people to hate me, I wanna suffer, I wanna be killed, hmmm oh I found it, I can turn gay!!!”

Also, some people say that gay sex is wrong, what about the fact that sisters and brothers were having sex together (sons and daughters of Adam and Eve) and that was OKAY!!

Saying that same sex marriage is WRONG!! Why? Why two men or women in love can’t be together, I have gay friends and two of them are couples, the love that I see in them is stronger and greater than the love my parents have. They love each other and stand beside each other and yet they can’t get married, While Britney Spears got married for about 70 days and that was okay, that was marriage. When gay men are couple for more than 30 years and yet, that is not marriage.

Sorry guys if I sound angry, but I DO NOT see one reason to treat LGBT people the way they’ve been treated, and yet, God created them and now he is punishing them? WHY?

Same recycled rants… yawn

 

[Gorgias]

Don’t tell me that gays choose to be gays because this is STUPID! I know that most Catholics don’t think that but the evangelicals do!

Do they assert this? Or is it the case that they’re asserting simply that it’s not purely a genetic or biological disposition? “Not genetic” and “full conscious choice” aren’t the same assertion, you know…!

Also, some people say that gay sex is wrong, what about the fact that sisters and brothers were having sex together (sons and daughters of Adam and Eve) and that was OKAY!!

Does the Bible say this? Or, rather, is this someone’s interpretation of the Bible? It’s certainly not the doctrine of the Church…

Saying that same sex marriage is WRONG!! Why?

Because it goes against natural law.

Why two men or women in love can’t be together

They can, of course – just not in the way that “man and wife” can be together.

I have gay friends and two of them are couples, the love that I see in them is stronger and greater than the love my parents have. They love each other and stand beside each other and yet they can’t get married, While Britney Spears got married for about 70 days and that was okay, that was marriage. When gay men are couple for more than 30 years and yet, that is not marriage.

Individual anecdotal examples do not prove general assertions.

Nevertheless, you’re correct: two men in (erotic) love does not make a marriage.

Sorry guys if I sound angry, but I DO NOT see one reason to treat LGBT people the way they’ve been treated

If you’re talking about abuse, you’re right – that’s unconscionable. If you’re talking about allowing LGBT people to call an ‘apple’ an ‘orange’, then no, that’s not reasonable. Our Judeo-Christian moral code asserts that homosexual acts are contrary to reason and natural law. It also asserts that murder is likewise abhorrent. Are we justified in seeking to eliminate murder from society, yet we are to be vilified because we do not celebrate the enshrinement of homosexual acts in civil law? That’s just irrational…

and yet, God created them and now he is punishing them? WHY?

There are many situations in life which are difficult situations for people to bear. Do we automatically say, in these situations, that “God is punishing them”? Of course not.

 

[TheBreak]

Same recycled rants… yawn

Oh really!! Why don’t you answer my question instead of your ignorant comment.

Why didn’t you answer me about sisters and brothers having sex together and that was okay?

You know what, I’m DONE with this drama. I tried many times to understand the Christian God and understand how could loved God create LGBT people and now he punishing them for who they are, he destroyed Sadom because of the anal sex, yet, he didn’t punish the two daughters who had sex with their father!! I can tell that is okay for him but NO WAY two men love each other, that is something he ready to do something about.

Thank you Sister Terese for your comment. it really helped me.

 

[TheBreak]

Guys, I’m done with this drama, I tried many times to understand your God, but I couldn’t.

He destroyed Sadom for the anal sex, but yet, he did NOTHING for the two daughters who had sex with their father!!!

I’m sorry guys, I respect you, each one of you, you’ve been so welcoming and so so nice to me and I can not deny that, but yet, your God is different, I tried and tried and tried to understand him, but all what I can see, is an angry, homophobic God who was killing and destroying cities and people and then he come in human look talking about love and passion and accepting others!!, it doesn’t fit. I wish if the old testament wasn’t part of the bible, but I can’t accept book like that with bloody murders and killing kids and taking virgins to the isreali men and yet, you saying he is LOVE. if that is love, than I don’t want it.

 

[Michael_Allen]

God created them and now he is punishing them? WHY?

Perhaps it’s people, and God, who punish gay people?

 

[Ophelia23]

We are not called to treat any group with hatred. Christ taught us that we all have our cross to bear; we all have our sinful burdens. We are to pray for one another, correct one another, and do all we can to lead the other into a state of Grace. But never are we to focus on the splinter in someone else’s eye while ignoring the log in our own.

Disordered sexuality in all of its forms is wrong. Homosexual sex is wrong. Incest is wrong. Masturbation is wrong. Pornography is wrong. Premarital sex is wrong. Contraceptive sex is wrong. You see, this is a much broader picture than you are painting.

 

[drdinon]

First and foremost, we are not God and we do not know why His right is right in his wrong is wrong.

That is where Faith comes in. As an example of how we can understand what God says is right and wrong concerning sexuality, lets take a Man who wants be with two or more women and “love” them both, and the women also have this same preference. Maybe he is just not satisfied with one woman for his entire life, and the women like multiple partners also.

Again, what if another is only satisfied with some kind of sexual fetish, and they were “born” with that. Does this make it right?

We were all born with some kind of original sin inside of us, so yes, maybe some were born with the inclination to veer in one direction or another more than this person or that person. The problem is if we all “lived out” our desires of the flesh, there would be no room for family, spirituality, or Love. Love is sacrifice.

Many would rather live out the sexual preferences in their hearts, than live the religious life or start a family, but we must be concerned with our children and fellow brothers and sisters. That is to set an example of what it means to cling to Our Lord and, show others that the sins of the flesh can only be destroyed when we walk in the Spirit.

So yes, many were born with the inclination to sin, just as some are genetically predisposed to cancer, yet just as the person who has a greater chance of getting cancer would do what they could to prevent it, so should we look to Our Lord to deliver us from the predisposed sin that is present in all of us.

 

[katy]

God acted differently with people in Old Testament times because they were at a different stage. As Christ said about marriage “because of the heardness of their hearts”. They didn’t understand Christ even after centuries of preparation. God didn’t change in himself, but there were different ways of dealing with peoples at different stages of development.
We all have different temptations. The temptation of same sex attraction is one that some people have. Others have different temptations. Temptation is not sin.

 

[Boy_Wonder]

English is not my first language, so I’m sorry for any misspellings.

Gay are getting killed everyday, they are the most hated group on earth at this age,

Don’t tell me that gays choose to be gays because this is STUPID! I know that most Catholics don’t think that but the evangelicals do! I can’t imagine that guy in the middle East in Iran woke up one day and thought “I wanna people to hate me, I wanna suffer, I wanna be killed, hmmm oh I found it, I can turn gay!!!”

Also, some people say that gay sex is wrong, what about the fact that sisters and brothers were having sex together (sons and daughters of Adam and Eve) and that was OKAY!!

Saying that same sex marriage is WRONG!! Why? Why two men or women in love can’t be together, I have gay friends and two of them are couples, the love that I see in them is stronger and greater than the love my parents have. They love each other and stand beside each other and yet they can’t get married, While Britney Spears got married for about 70 days and that was okay, that was marriage. When gay men are couple for more than 30 years and yet, that is not marriage.

Sorry guys if I sound angry, but I DO NOT see one reason to treat LGBT people the way they’ve been treated, and yet, God created them and now he is punishing them? WHY?

It is a terrible sin to hate anyone and it is even worse to attack them.

As Christians we are called to love everyone - even those whose lifestyles are different or contrary to the rules of our faith. God’s job is to judge because he alone sees into our hearts. Our job is to be holy and to love/accept everyone whom God puts into our lives.

Know that God loves everyone with a love that surpasses all of our understanding. That includes gays.

 

[theistgal]

Gay people are sinners. Period. Nothing more and nothing less.

But guess what? Every time I receive the Eucharist in our Divine Liturgy, I have to first confess aloud that I am the “greatest of sinners”.

The Good News is we don’t have to judge them - God will. We just have to forgive them.

 

[90Domer]

Guys, I’m done with this drama, I tried many times to understand your God, but I couldn’t.

He destroyed Sadom for the anal sex, but yet, he did NOTHING for the two daughters who had sex with their father!!!

I’m sorry guys, I respect you, each one of you, you’ve been so welcoming and so so nice to me and I can not deny that, but yet, your God is different, I tried and tried and tried to understand him, but all what I can see, is an angry, homophobic God who was killing and destroying cities and people and then he come in human look talking about love and passion and accepting others!!, it doesn’t fit. I wish if the old testament wasn’t part of the bible, but I can’t accept book like that with bloody murders and killing kids and taking virgins to the isreali men and yet, you saying he is LOVE. if that is love, than I don’t want it.

I bolded a section of your quote saying that Jesus preached love, passion, accepting others. He certainly did! So true! However, and this always seems to be forgotten. Jesus never wanted people to live permanently in their sin. The woman about to get stoned for adultery…He certainly forgave her, but He told her to “go and sin no more.” Jesus did not say “Go and continue your former lifestyle.”

Your comment that being homosexual is not a choice…that people are born that way, that people know at a young age that they were always that way. You are discounting something very important. Granted, I am not sure if this is true but it certainly is plausible. After a child is born but during a very young age–an age where most people do not remember events (before age 4 I think is a safe assumption), there certainly could have been an environment where children we raised without solid male and female role models and with confusing gender messages. Or the child could have been abused (sexually or otherwise) and not remember it. So those are two post-birth examples.

My husband’s brother is SSA. Husband and his other brother are not. We have often pondered why youngest brother is SSA and the two older ones are not. Was there a difference in how they were raised? Turns out that with the last child, MIL decided to return to work. She had her mother-- a very ill-tempered, cranky and unaffectionate woman as my husband recall–watch this son during his early years. FIL was busy changing careers, so he was often not home. Gender roles were already sort of weird in this family. MIL is very domineering, sharp-tongued and not terrible feminine and didn’t like typical girl things (make-up, hair, clothes, nails). FIL was rather passive and prissy–enjoyed spending hours in the bathroom primping and very into his appearance. Could this early message affect the youngest son? Sure. Would he remember it? No.

Remember, Catholicism exists for the betters on the person, not the reverse. I think you are wanting something that cannot exist–approval for a certain lifestyle. God gave everyone crosses. I’m sure my son didn’t want to be born with autism. I know I didn’t want him born with autism. Why did God saddle him with this condition? Don’t know, but God knows why and I trust His answer.

 

[marcaevans]

This thread has a sense of hatred and bitterness about it. We should not question what God has decided what shall be. We should not judge others that is for God to do. There is too much hatred and bitterness in this world and its giving off a toxic cloud.

We should love one another like God loves us, no excuses necessary.

 

[tamedlion]

English is not my first language either, but I’m not going to let that stop me.
God also allowed physical disabled people to be born but I haven’t heard of a group of disabled people trying to make everybody else like themselves or to say that it’s the way to live. Instead, they also want to be normal.

 

[Stillness]

There actually isn’t a scientific consensus on whether people are born homosexual or not. Just thought I would make that clear. It is just as likely at this point that they develop those attitudes due to something that happens during their lifetime, particularly childhood.

 

[marcaevans]

English is not my first language either, but I’m not going to let that stop me.
God also allowed physical disabled people to be born but I haven’t heard of a group of disabled people trying to make everybody else like themselves or to say that it’s the way to live. Instead, they also want to be normal.

exactly!

 

[ephesians4]

English is not my first language, so I’m sorry for any misspellings.

Gay are getting killed everyday, they are the most hated group on earth at this age,

Don’t tell me that gays choose to be gays because this is STUPID! I know that most Catholics don’t think that but the evangelicals do! I can’t imagine that guy in the middle East in Iran woke up one day and thought “I wanna people to hate me, I wanna suffer, I wanna be killed, hmmm oh I found it, I can turn gay!!!”

Also, some people say that gay sex is wrong, what about the fact that sisters and brothers were having sex together (sons and daughters of Adam and Eve) and that was OKAY!!

Saying that same sex marriage is WRONG!! Why? Why two men or women in love can’t be together, I have gay friends and two of them are couples, the love that I see in them is stronger and greater than the love my parents have. They love each other and stand beside each other and yet they can’t get married, While Britney Spears got married for about 70 days and that was okay, that was marriage. When gay men are couple for more than 30 years and yet, that is not marriage.

Sorry guys if I sound angry, but I DO NOT see one reason to treat LGBT people the way they’ve been treated, and yet, God created them and now he is punishing them? WHY?

I feel I might have said this to you before my friend, but you know the church does not teach us that we are allowed to demean people or torment or murder people, whether they are homosexual or not.

Quite the opposite. It is absolutely the case from what our Lord, our scripture and the catechism have told us that we are to love people as best we can - better in fact - and there is no special clause that lets us off loving homosexual people.

That said, people are born with moral challenges and sin, this is an inherent part of us, and that combined with a choice of what to do is free will - both a burden and a gift.

There is nothing less severe or addictive or ever-present about any particular person’s proclivity to sin itself to start off with, but which sin that is can vary from person to person and situation to situation - a homosexual may be tempted towards sodomy, a married man may be tempted by other women or pornography, a person may be tempted towards robbery, idleness, pride, gambling - you name it.

We are born with challenges and we can choose to try and overcome them per the manual we have been given, or we can choose not to at our peril, and this is part of what separates us from animals, automata etc…

Reality is, sodomy is against the rules like a lot of stuff, and why we exist like that is part of the Great Mystery. The story of Adam and Eve might help here - it is rich with symbolism about sin and our nature.

Now since it is against the rules, people may just be able to do what they like in their own lives, but a mock-up of a holy sacrament that celebrates it is not ever going to be nice for us to read about, any more than a version of communion which celebrated daily pornography consumption, or ordaining people to a sworn life of overeating junk food and being lazy.

And that’s all very well, but really governments lack the jurisdiction to overrule God or to change sacraments whatever they think. More urgent and pressing than the delusion/sacrilege is the safety and well-being of children, the health of society as regards socialisation, crime rates, moral upbringing etc. and even more short-term, the potentially massive legal implications of such an “equality” for any number of unrelated third party individuals, charities, companies and so on that can face sanctions for being of a religion where the state law says God is and must be wrong. It can effectively amount to legislation against third parties’ freedom of religion in the complete absense of anyone actually trying to perform a “gay” “marriage”.

 

[Charlemagne_II]

There is no gay gene. If there is, prove it.

God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

If our first parents were not gay, where could a “gay” gene come from?

 

[dshix]

This OP is a loaded question. Don’t feed the troll.