Why "Groundhog Day" is worth watching again. And again. And again

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PluniaZ said:
Yes, the last scene. Artistic interpretations of existentialist philosophers aside, it is at the very least the near occasion of sin and a cause for scandal.

Can you really imagine Saint Jerome approving of such a thing?
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As I said, it might be a venial sin, but that would depend on his intentions. Again I haven’t seen the film in years so I can’t give you specific details for proof, but I had the distinct impression that he didn’t intend for her to spend the night; he just asked her to stick around and talk because he was lonely, and was surprised to find the next morning that she was still there.

You originally said it was a mortal sin, I never heard anyone else claim that merely sleeping in proximity to a person of the opposite sex is a mortal sin by itself.

And I don’t know what you mean by a cause of scandal. Scandal to other characters within the story? Or scandal to viewers who watch the movie?
 
Irishmom2 said:
Again, did you read the link?

Here’s the thing. I don’t care what the existentialists think. I explained why I will be watching it, and how I will view it. I will view it as a tale of redemption from sin. Sins that happen over and over until we change our lives and make things right.

You are free interpret it as you wish.
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The link didn’t say anything about the scandal of Bill Murray sleeping with a woman at the end.
 
louisak said:
As I said, it might be a venial sin, but that would depend on his intentions. Again I haven’t seen the film in years so I can’t give you specific details for proof, but I had the distinct impression that he didn’t intend for her to spend the night; he just asked her to stick around and talk because he was lonely, and was surprised to find the next morning that she was still there.

You originally said it was a mortal sin, I never heard anyone else claim that merely sleeping in proximity to a person of the opposite sex is a mortal sin by itself.

And I don’t know what you mean by a cause of scandal. Scandal to other characters within the story? Or scandal to viewers who watch the movie?
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Maybe scandal isn’t the right technical term for it, but sleeping in the same bed with a woman who isn’t your wife, for whom he expressed romantic interest the entire movie (they kiss at some point right?) would give a lot of people the impression they had sex. Maybe some super sophisticated film connoisseurs found a deeper meaning that he didn’t actually sleep with her, but whoever causes a little one to stumble, it would be better for him to have a millstone tied around his neck and be dropped into the sea.
 
PluniaZ said:
Maybe some super sophisticated film connoisseurs found a deeper meaning that he didn’t actually sleep with her
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I was just telling you my recollection of what happened in the movie. There’s no need to be sarcastic.
 
louisak said:
I was just telling you my recollection of what happened in the movie. There’s no need to be sarcastic.
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I’m sorry, that was wrong of me. I could have made my point without being sarcastic. I apologize.
 
PluniaZ said:
Maybe scandal isn’t the right technical term for it, but sleeping in the same bed with a woman who isn’t your wife, for whom he expressed romantic interest the entire movie (they kiss at some point right?) would give a lot of people the impression they had sex. Maybe some super sophisticated film connoisseurs found a deeper meaning that he didn’t actually sleep with her, but whoever causes a little one to stumble, it would be better for him to have a millstone tied around his neck and be dropped into the sea.
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I distinctly remember that they are both FULLY CLOTHED and fell asleep ON (NOT IN) a bed with no suggestiveness even implied. It’s easily one of most “platonic” movie scenes ever filmed.
 
randomuser said:
I distinctly remember that they are both FULLY CLOTHED and fell asleep ON (NOT IN) a bed with no suggestiveness even implied. It’s easily one of most “platonic” movie scenes ever filmed.
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Beat me to it.
🙂
 
PluniaZ said:
Maybe scandal isn’t the right technical term for it, but sleeping in the same bed with a woman who isn’t your wife, for whom he expressed romantic interest the entire movie (they kiss at some point right?) would give a lot of people the impression they had sex. Maybe some super sophisticated film connoisseurs found a deeper meaning that he didn’t actually sleep with her, but whoever causes a little one to stumble, it would be better for him to have a millstone tied around his neck and be dropped into the sea.
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You know, you have done a lot of assuming and projecting of your feelings onto a couple of characters in a movie. If you have been caused to stumble, maybe you are the one that tripped yourself.

As someone else already said, they were fully clothed. When they came out of the house, they were wearing the same clothes. The snow in the road still had no tire tracks in it, the same way as when Phil looked out the window. So obviously, little time had passed. :rolleyes:

“Some super sophisticated film connoisseur” not only found a deeper meaning, he also explained a lot of symbolism and references having to do with **Catholicism. **Please, do take the time to read the link that pianistclare provided. And also, do not look for filth and assume the worst in everything and everyone you see. It appears that you see it where it does not exist.
 
From the review:

“Buddhists embrace Groundhog Day with a particular relish: Phil’s endless Groundhog Days reminds them of reincarnation, where we’re all locked in an endless cycle of death and rebirth until we get it right. But Christians can find plenty to hug here, too. Many Catholics believe that Phil’s endless day looks a lot like purgatory.
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At the end of Groundhog Day, Phil learns to be thankful, even for an endless day. And in his gratitude, the cycle breaks. His time in purgatory is over.”

I think the comparison to purgatory is apt. It could keep a group of theolgians busy analyzing the comparison.
 
Irishmom2 said:
You know, you have done a lot of assuming and projecting of your feelings onto a couple of characters in a movie. If you have been caused to stumble, maybe you are the one that tripped yourself.

As someone else already said, they were fully clothed. When they came out of the house, they were wearing the same clothes. The snow in the road still had no tire tracks in it, the same way as when Phil looked out the window. So obviously, little time had passed. :rolleyes:

“Some super sophisticated film connoisseur” not only found a deeper meaning, he also explained a lot of symbolism and references having to do with **Catholicism. **Please, do take the time to read the link that pianistclare provided. And also, do not look for filth and assume the worst in everything and everyone you see. It appears that you see it where it does not exist.
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I haven’t seen the movie in many years, and have no plans to watch it again, because we are commanded to flee from fornication. 1 Corinthians 6:18

And I did read the link. It doesn’t say anything about the bed scene at the end.

Please stop attacking me for taking a stand in favor of purity. Thank you.
 
PluniaZ said:
I haven’t seen the movie in many years, and have no plans to watch it again, because we are commanded to flee from fornication. 1 Corinthians 6:18

And I did read the link. It doesn’t say anything about the bed scene at the end.

Please stop attacking me for taking a stand in favor of purity. Thank you.
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You are imagining the presence of fornication.

No one is attacking you.
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I love Bill Murray! And Groundhog Day is one of my favorite films. People may be interested to know that Bill Murray has a Gurdjieffian background, and that Ouspensky wrote and lectured extensively and in great detail on the theory of eternal return. Which is perhaps the subject of Groundhog Day. I have no idea whether or not Mr. Murray is still involved in Fourth Way stuff, but once Work ideas get in you they tend to not leave. And I have no idea about his current spiritual outlook, but I would suspect that whatever it is, it’s likely strongly informed by these ideas. Plus, it’s plain as day that a number of his films have very deep and subtle Fourth Way references, most definitely including Groundhog Day. And his demeanor, too, is sometimes very pronouncedly and very clearly a product of these ideas and practices; he’s got that look, and there’s no mistaking it. So in addition to being hugely lovable, he has some unfathomable depth to him as well. In fact, I strongly recommend that everyone momentarily lay aside whatever they’re doing, and give Bill Murray a phone call. Take a little time to tell the big guy how much you love him, and how much his work means to you. Awww, c’mon, after all the joy his films have brought you over the years, be real and give a little of that love back:

1-800-Bill-Murray

❤️
 
Exiled_Child said:
I love Bill Murray! And Groundhog Day is one of my favorite films. People may be interested to know that Bill Murray has a** Gurdjieffian background, and that Ouspensky wrote and lectured extensively and in great detail on the theory of eternal return. Which is perhaps the subject of Groundhog Day. I have no idea whether or not Mr. Murray is still involved in Fourth Way stuff, but once Work ideas get in you they tend to not leave. And I have no idea about his current spiritual outlook, but I would suspect that whatever it is, it’s likely strongly informed by these ideas. Plus, it’s plain as day that a number of his films have very deep and subtle Fourth Way references,** most definitely including Groundhog Day. And his demeanor, too, is sometimes very pronouncedly and very clearly a product of these ideas and practices; he’s got that look, and there’s no mistaking it. So in addition to being hugely lovable, he has some unfathomable depth to him as well. In fact, I strongly recommend that everyone momentarily lay aside whatever they’re doing, and give Bill Murray a phone call. Take a little time to tell the big guy how much you love him, and how much his work means to you. Awww, c’mon, after all the joy his films have brought you over the years, be real and give a little of that love back:

1-800-Bill-Murray

❤️
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I thought he was Catholic? The above reference are clearly another gospel, who is he following? We must follow Christ and Christ crucified and resurrected and the traditions and doctrine of the Catholic Church. Not some ‘guru’.
 
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