Why hasn't the Pope celebrated a TLM

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Hopefully His holiness will soon offer a “televised” TLM

it would be even better if it was a Papal High Mass
with all the “bells and smells” as they say…and being the Pope i don’t think he would have any problems getting the things necessary for such a Mass…All i’ve seen of such masses are ofcourse old videos of Pope John XXIII and Paul VI

They look great…i would even pay to attend one
and i know i know it the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and it shouldn’t be treated as a game or movie but I’m strictly using it as a figure of speech…😛
 
Question…

Do the rubrics state the Pope can only celebrate a Papal Mass? Could Benedict celebrate a Pontifical Mass, he is the bishop of Rome. I’d imagine in the good old days the Pope did not always celebrate the Solemn Papal Mass, perhaps only in public on festive occassions. It’d be difficult to celebrate that Mass daily in the Pope’s private chapel.
 
WH1988 said:
How would a celebration of the TLM be considered as “un-doing” the reform? Well, yes, there are people who will think that, but I believe it’s even positive that they THINK that, because thay way they’ll realize that what their learnt in the 70s flower-power cathequesis was WRONG.
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What they learned in “flower-power” cathequesis WAS wrong. That does not make a properly celebrated NO itself wrong. Perhaps he is worried that this confusion will continue so he is being careful.
 
tonio5555 said:
Question…

Do the rubrics state the Pope can only celebrate a Papal Mass? Could Benedict celebrate a Pontifical Mass, he is the bishop of Rome. I’d imagine in the good old days the Pope did not always celebrate the Solemn Papal Mass, perhaps only in public on festive occassions. It’d be difficult to celebrate that Mass daily in the Pope’s private chapel.
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I hope not…because if the Pope can only celebrate a Papal Mass, he will never be able to celebrate the EF. =
 
GerardP said:
In either case, he asked us all at his inaugural mass , “pray for me that I may not flee for fear of the wolves.”

For a Pope to ask for that, says several things, There are wolves in the Vatican that threaten the Pope and that the Pope knows that his courage may not be up to the tasks that he is aware of needing to be done.

But as Fr. Malachi Martin said about JPII, '… he’s afraid they’ll kill him. Let them kill him. He’ll be another martyr for the Church, and the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church."
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the Pope is afraid of those in the Vatican? Oh, please. They serve at his pleasure, as has been amply demonstrated by the changes he has made to various dicasteries. And given his length of service in the Vatican, it is not likely he does not know just about everbody there, their political and social leanings as well as their theological bent. It is not like we have some babe in the woods naif.
 
JuanCarlos said:
As stated, the rubrics for Papal TLM’s are complex, and in modern times are even more so given the nonexistence of groups that played a role in Papal Masses. There would have to either be a revision of the rubrics or some improv, neither of which would probably not sit well with many traditionalists.
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Then perhaps the delay is because they’re practicing. 😃
 
This is a good question. He encourages us to be familiar with the Latin Rite and make use of the 1962 Roman Missal. It should seem fitting that he would celebrate a Latin Mass once in awhile
 
tobinatorstark said:
This is a good question. He encourages us to be familiar with the Latin Rite and make use of the 1962 Roman Missal. It should seem fitting that he would celebrate a Latin Mass once in awhile
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Perhaps his encouragement has as much to do with knowing our history as well?
 
belgianwaffles9 said:
And the great thing about being Catholic is that the past and the present should be pretty much the same.
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The world changes constantly. While the Truth doesn’t change, how we put it forth in a changing world inevitably dictates whether we grow or wither.
 
ethelzguy said:
The world changes constantly. While the Truth doesn’t change, how we put it forth in a changing world inevitably dictates whether we grow or wither.
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Ethelzguy,
This surprises me coming from you. You should know that it is Gods will that dictates weather we will grow or wither, not the world. We do not answer to the “changing world” we answer to the unchanging everlasting God. The fact that the Church is "reluctant to change (realitively) in the last 2000 years and is still thriving speaks to its authority and Truth. Its majesty and Steady as a “rock” charactaristics. Many find a shelter from a changing and unsteady world in an unchanging worship. Its uniformity and unchanging only speaks t its power and Truth.
In short, the weather changes but hopefully your roof doesnt.
 
At the rate the Holy Father is moving, I’d say give it 2 or 3 years. We’ll get there. Also, I myself was wondering why the Pope wouldn’t celebrate a Byzantine Liturgy. Maybe he’s waiting to grow a beard…
 
The only reason I could give is that the silence and low tones of the EF will turn many off in TV land. And we do want those ratings, after all. 🙂
 
Pope_Noah_I said:
At the rate the Holy Father is moving, I’d say give it 2 or 3 years. We’ll get there. Also, I myself was wondering why the Pope wouldn’t celebrate a Byzantine Liturgy. Maybe he’s waiting to grow a beard…
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The priest at St Mary’s Byzantine in Mckeesport, PA does not have a beard 😃 .
 
Matt33 said:
Ethelzguy,
This surprises me coming from you. You should know that it is Gods will that dictates weather we will grow or wither, not the world.
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Um, what does this position say for the concept of “free will” ?
 
ProVobis said:
The only reason I could give is that the silence and low tones of the EF will turn many off in TV land. And we do want those ratings, after all. 🙂
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EWTN seems to be doing okay.
KathleenElsie said:
The priest at St Mary’s Byzantine in Mckeesport, PA does not have a beard 😃 .
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Many eastern Catholics do not have beards like their Orthodox counterparts.
ethelzguy said:
Um, what does this position say for the concept of “free will” ?
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Um, God guides the Church, not us. The Church is divinely protected, by God, against all those little weaknesses that come along with our free will.
 
ethelzguy said:
Um, what does this position say for the concept of “free will” ?
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I was under the impresion you were refering to "us " as a Church and that we had to change to the world or face withering. Individually and to SOME extent as a Church you are correct about free will but we also have the promise of an everlasting, unerring, solid, built on the rock of truth and not the sands of “what’s popular” Church. In short Gods will should guide us as a Church (in Fact it does). Not the winds of change. It isn’t up to Us anyway.
 
Matt33 said:
I was under the impresion you were refering to "us " as a Church and that we had to change to the world or face withering. Individually and to SOME extent as a Church you are correct about free will but we also have the promise of an everlasting, unerring, solid, built on the rock of truth and not the sands of “what’s popular” Church. In short Gods will should guide us as a Church (in Fact it does). Not the winds of change. It isn’t up to Us anyway.
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I was referring to the comment that it was “God’s will whether we grow or wither”.

Is it? Or is it a matter of the Truth being laid before us, and depending on how we as people spread the Truth that will dictate growth or shrinkage?
 
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