Why hasn't the Pope celebrated a TLM

[belgianwaffles9]

They do put on a nice show, don’t they?

But is this what we want?

Televised TLMs with beautiful music in a beautiful church, celebrated by solid priests? Yes.

I was referring to the comment that it was “God’s will whether we grow or wither”.

Is it? Or is it a matter of the Truth being laid before us, and depending on how we as people spread the Truth that will dictate growth or shrinkage?

The arguments is about how you read that sentence:

Is it God’s will that determines whether we as individuals]grow or wither? Well, clearly God has a plan for each of us, but yes, our free will does play a part in that equation, and we may choose to stray away from God’s willed plan for us.

Is it God’s will that determines whether we as a Church] grow or wither? Of course. The Church is the Body of Christ, and is guided by Holy Spirit. Although, in some ways, it is a meaningless question because the Church, as it is guided by God, will not wither away: it is divinely protected. But yes, some people can make little mistakes which may change perceptions of the Church worse…

 

[ethelzguy]

Televised TLMs with beautiful music in a beautiful church, celebrated by solid priests? Yes.

The arguments is about how you read that sentence:

Is it God’s will that determines whether we as individuals]grow or wither? Well, clearly God has a plan for each of us, but yes, our free will does play a part in that equation, and we may choose to stray away from God’s willed plan for us.

Is it God’s will that determines whether we as a Church] grow or wither? Of course. The Church is the Body of Christ, and is guided by Holy Spirit. Although, in some ways, it is a meaningless question because the Church, as it is guided by God, will not wither away: it is divinely protected. But yes, some people can make little mistakes which may change perceptions of the Church worse…

That’s what I’m getting at.

People have free will to choose their path. How “we” as the “Church” portray Catholicism can very well influence whether others exercise their free will to follow the Catholic faith, or take another path.

Does that make better sense?

 

[belgianwaffles9]

That’s what I’m getting at.

People have free will to choose their path. How “we” -]as the/-] [as individual Catholics within the] “Church” portray Catholicism can very well influence whether others exercise their free will to follow the Catholic faith, or take another path.

Does that make better sense?

Yes, it does. But i added a few words which i think make it even clearer for me.

 

[ethelzguy]

Yes, it does. But i added a few words which i think make it even clearer for me.

Works for me

Keep in mind though, that we as individual Catholics out in the pews and those ordained have differing roles in that regard.

 

[JuanCarlos]

Well Pope Benedict XVI is Latin Rite…although he could do a Eastern DL if he wanted to.

Technically, I believe the Pope is omni-ritual; he could celebrate any liturgy he wanted to at his leisure.

I’m surprised that he hasn’t celebrated a DL though- there are even pictures of John XXIII celebrating a DL (with the interesting Latinization of the Papal Tiara as the Miter)

 

[belgianwaffles9]

Works for me

Keep in mind though, that we as individual Catholics out in the pews and those ordained have differing roles in that regard.

I’d never imply otherwise:thumbsup:

 

[JuanCarlos]

Question…

Do the rubrics state the Pope can only celebrate a Papal Mass? Could Benedict celebrate a Pontifical Mass, he is the bishop of Rome. I’d imagine in the good old days the Pope did not always celebrate the Solemn Papal Mass, perhaps only in public on festive occassions. It’d be difficult to celebrate that Mass daily in the Pope’s private chapel.

There are various kinds of Papal Masses. There are even rubrics for a Low Mass celebrated in the presence of a Pope but not celebrated by one.

 

[Matt33]

People have free will to choose their path. How “we” as the [as individual Catholics within the] “Church” portray Catholicism can very well influence whether others exercise their free will to follow the Catholic faith, or take another path.
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Yes this is what I was getting at. The Church should not be viewed as a representative democracy that “we” decide. It is what God decides (In its truest form) But as an individual we have so much power in the way we can spread the Truth. I agree with Ethelzguy on a personal level, but not on a Church level. That is up to the Pope, The leaders and God.