Why haven't i learned a single thing in Mass

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I love it. So, basically everyone is agreeing not to actually learn doctrines or principles during Mass because that’s not what it’s designed for. I have huge respect for the communion but everything else is just 1800 year traditions.
 
I love it. So, basically everyone is agreeing not to actually learn doctrines or principles during Mass because that’s not what it’s designed for. I have huge respect for the communion but everything else is just 1800 year traditions.
Falisrm,
There are actually great priests who use the homily to teach and expound on Catholic doctrine and morality. You could download some great Catholic homilies to hear how some priests preach.
Have you heard

Fr. Corapi fathercorapi.com/
priests at EWTN zencast.com/channels/showchannel.asp?mc=2&cid=2407
Pope Benedict vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/homilies/2008/index_en.htm

But, not every priest is a gifted homilist.

That said, the homily isn’t the summit of the Mass. That is not why we go. I study and learn all week, so that I am prepared to receive Christ’s Body when I go to Mass. With the exception of the readings and the homily, Mass is a prayer.
 
Isn’t like all of Christ’s sermons just him up there teaching people? He didn’t do a lot of traditions except for the communion.
 
Mass has to be one of the least interlectural meetings in existance. The sermons the priest gives is quite frankly, a joke. Half the time he just begs people to be “good” and to make an attempt to come to church. The words have no substance or value.

The rest of the mass is tradition of sitting down, standing up, sitting down, standing up. It took me 2 times to memorize the entire thing. After the sermon is the “peace be with you” peace be with you". sit down, stand up. It the mass some sort of ordinance of memorized meanings?
If you want a lecture, go to a university. That’s not to say that the intellectual quality of most Catholic Masses couldn’t be improved. But that isn’t the main point.

Why are you so fixated on whether you are sitting down or standing up or kneeling? The purpose of Mass is to worship Almighty God. Centuries of Protestantism have instilled into many of us the idea that this can only happen if we are “learning something.”

Edwin
 
Dear falisrm,

45 years ago, the Tridintine Mass was said in Latin.This Mass was 400 years old.
The beauty of the Tridintine Mass was the sense of the sacred,
as palpable.
All knew that the priest was re-enacting the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross.
Offering this sacrifice again, to the Father. That was and is the mass, which has
become known, now, as the ‘Eucharistic liturgy.’

The priest was referred to as an 'alter Christus,’ ‘another Christ,’
as he was in the place of Christ, re-offering the sacrifice.
In terms of the intellectual, I think that an understanding
of Temple sacrifice is critical. This ritual Temple sacrifice,
was now replaced by the sacrifice of the ‘perfect victim’ -
as God Himself, in the Person of Jesus - became the Lamb of God, Who was slain.

God Himself provided the Victim - Himself, on Calvary.
No longer would animals be sacrificed.
The critical point to me is, that the ‘people of God’ become a
‘priestly people,’ joining with the priest as he re-offers the
perfect sacrifice to God.

In the Tridintine Mass, the first thing that the priest said, as he
stood at the bottom of the steps - which led up to the altar, was:

Introibo ad altare Dei…
“I will go unto to the altar of God…”

and he said these words, as he went up the steps to the altar.

The point I’m trying to make here is that, in
days long past - what the sermon had to say,
while of interest, was held to be a discrete ‘event,’
before the priest returned to the altar, to continue the ritual prayers
that were said, leading up to the consecration. sacarare = to make sacred]

[All this hopping up and down, the priest continually returning to the ‘presider’s chair,’
may well be sensed as needless activity, which, to me, it is.]

The Mass was not considered a time for explanation of the truths of the faith.

Decades ago, the Catholic school system, which was quite large, took care of
teaching children about the Mass, the sacraments, etc, as their parents had
been taught, through the same schooling system.

My understanding is - that in other Christian churches, the sermon
is devoted to the explication of the truths of the gospel, and is
a commentary on both the word of God - and the applicaton of these
words, in everyday life. In Catholicism, the word of God is held to
be sacred, yet the emphasis is on ritual sacrifice, as it was in
the Temple, 2,000 years ago.

A minister is a servant of the Word, while a priest is both
servant of the Word and priest - who continues to offer the
perfect sacrifice, the Lamb of God, Who is the Word of God.

I hope that the above is of some help. :tiphat:

reen12
 
right, so basically, its not designed to instruct or teach doctrines or principles other then found in the mass ceremony. So it just proves my point with my origional question. Don’t expect to be taught doctrines or principles of the gospel in mass. I think all you catholics could agree with that one.
 
right, so basically, its not designed to instruct or teach doctrines or principles other then found in the mass ceremony. So it just proves my point with my origional question. Don’t expect to be taught doctrines or principles of the gospel in mass. I think all you catholics could agree with that one.
Is this your original question?
It the mass some sort of ordinance of memorized meanings?
 
right, so basically, its not designed to instruct or teach doctrines or principles other then found in the mass ceremony. So it just proves my point with my origional question. Don’t expect to be taught doctrines or principles of the gospel in mass. I think all you catholics could agree with that one.
Supposedly, the ‘sermon’ was to become a ‘homily,’
explicating the gospel passage that had just been read.
Whether this is actually the case, I have no way of
knowing, for I ceased the practice of Catholicism,
decades ago.
Yet I did go through two years of RCIA, one of those
years with a person who asked me if I would go with her.
She became a Catholic, and I went back to the study
of my books. http://bestsmileys.com/nono/9.gif

I have attended Mass, over the years, for baptisms,
confirmations and weddings. Not enough information
to assess whether the homily is generally dedicated
to commenting on the gospel passage read that day.

reen12
 
right, so basically, its not designed to instruct or teach doctrines or principles other then found in the mass ceremony. So it just proves my point with my origional question. Don’t expect to be taught doctrines or principles of the gospel in mass. I think all you catholics could agree with that one.
I could say the same thing about LDS sacrament meetings…
 
Your comment is suggestive. My comment is not. That’s because its just a fact that explainations of doctrines or principles are not given in Mass. Its that simple. Which is fine, that is obviously why your catholic. Its your choice.
 
Your comment is suggestive. My comment is not. That’s because its just a fact that explainations of doctrines or principles are not given in Mass. Its that simple. Which is fine, that is obviously why your catholic. Its your choice.
fal,

I’m not a Catholic, and your comment was plenty ‘suggestive’. I’m also telling you the truth, I never learned anything new in sacrament meeting- isnt’ that your very same complaint?
 
ay ay ay. have you been to college?
Yes, what’s that got to do with it? You were insulting the priest’s homilies as ‘boring’ and I’m returning the favor (which happens to be true in my case).
 
I love it. So, basically everyone is agreeing not to actually learn doctrines or principles during Mass because that’s not what it’s designed for. I have huge respect for the communion but everything else is just 1800 year traditions.
And Your Point is?? 🤷
No - we don’t go to mass expecting it to be a bible study, we go to Praise Our God. Nothing in the Mass is “just” 1800 years of tradition, but is the product of litugical development and designed to praise and Glorify God and prepare us spiritually to receive Him into ourselves.

We spend an hour on Sunday with our Lord. Sharing Scripture, Praising and Glorifying Our Lord and Savior by Word and Song. Receiving Him physically into our Body and becoming one with Him.
Every prayer, Every song, Every posture is geared toward that intimate contact - Toward that Glorification - Toward the union of God and us the faithful members of His beautiful Church.

You say that you have great respect for communion. You have said that several times. I wonder…

Do you believe that Jesus is actually and physically present upon the Altar?
Do you believe that those who receive communion at mass are recieving the Body, Blood Soul and Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ?
If you do, you should be in love with every part, every prayer, every song and chant of every mass since it brings you closer to that moment when Jesus Himself fills every breast that recieves Him into it at communioin.
If you do then you should be hastening to the Church to be recieved into the
Body of Christ in His Church.

If you do not believe that Christ is truly, physically present in the eucharist, then there is nothing in the mass that will truly move you. Nothing that will give you satisfaction. Until the Holy Spirit enlightens your soul to the Truth of the Glory of the Mass and the Catholic Church, nothing in the mass will truly and fully satisfy you.

So - You respect communion but think everything else is a waste. I think it is because you do not truly believe in communion and therefore cannot truly respect communion, or the whole of the liturgy, for what it truly is.

Peace
James
 
how long are the homilies. 10 minutes? does anyone know
My pastor gives average of above 20 minutes.
If you still find difficulty in learning from the Mass, there are quite few things you could do:

1- pray that you may understand what you don’t and be patient with being not able to understand.
2- get some books to read about - what a Mass is all about especially the Eucharist.

God bless.
 
how long are the homilies. 10 minutes? does anyone know
fal,

I think you miss the point and you don’t seem to be very open to learning. When you go to the temple, do y ou complain about hearing the same things over, and over, and over again? (and quite literally, the same things) Do you complain about getting up, sitting down, putting on robes, taking them off… ? You need to liken this to the mass, the mass is an ordinance, the focus of the ordinance is the taking of the eucharist. Long homilies in this case would detract from the ordinance (just as you could argue long lectures at the veil detracted from the endowment ceremony).

You should go again with a fresh perspective and willingness to learn. Instead of complaining about the sitting up, kneeling, standing etc., ask yourself “why is all this happening?” and see if you can, if not agree, at least understand.
 
Nebula, you cannot use that arguement because that isn’t what you believe. Communion is the ordinance. Mass is the sacrament and everything else included. I’m sure there’s spiritual things to learn in Mass because of all the symbology and so forth that i don’t know about yet but i can figure a lot of them out. Like why the priest wears all those robes and so forth. But to actually be taught doctrines or principles, that’s not the purpose and isn’t a part of mass. I’m wondering why you can’t agree with that. You should be defending why thats so.
 
The lambs supper by Scott Hahn is filled with the scripture references that are all part of our worship…he is a convert and was astounded the first time he attended mass, he was a Protestant minister, just how much Scripture was included in the mass…If you don’t understand it, it’s not the priest fault…I suspect what you don’t understand is Christian worship

There is RCIA program, and a book on cathechism…I suspect your only purpose in starting this thread is because you are trying to start a fight…the remark about the priest cussing on the altar is an out and out lie, I would be willing to bet
 
The lambs supper by Scott Hahn is filled with the scripture references that are all part of our worship…he is a convert and was astounded the first time he attended mass, he was a Protestant minister, just how much Scripture was included in the mass…If you don’t understand it, it’s not the priest fault…I suspect what you don’t understand is Christian worship

There is RCIA program, and a book on cathechism…I suspect your only purpose in starting this thread is because you are trying to start a fight…the remark about the priest cussing on the altar is an out and out lie, I would be willing to bet
That is a good suggestion about the book. I would recommend the same thing.
 
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