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Mr_Freeze
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No such thing as “nice Bermuda shorts”…
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Duesenberg
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You’re simply wrong about that:No such thing as “nice Bermuda shorts”…
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Duesenberg
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Poppycock. Your opinion is not factual.Actually, there is a real issue in the OF Mass in its frequent permission in the rubrics for the priest to use “similar words” or to give “brief explanations” of what is going on.
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Vadne
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Not an opinion. A fact. Read the rubrics. The rubrics mention this often.
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Duesenberg
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I have read the rubrics, thanks. I see no “real issues” with the definition of the OF Mass.Not an opinion. A fact. Read the rubrics. The rubrics mention this often.
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Vadne
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The Novus Ordo rubrics offer multiple chances for a priest to ad lib. It’s in the rubrics.
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Duesenberg
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That’s simply not true.The OF Mass rubrics offer multiple chances for a priest to ad lib. It’s in the rubrics.
In the case of the EF Mass, the order/rubrics was such that entire prayers could be skipped and no one was the wiser.
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Vadne
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Absolutely false. No EF rubrics permit skipping prayers.
As for the OF, the rubrics permit ad libbing. It’s in the rubrics.
As for the OF, the rubrics permit ad libbing. It’s in the rubrics.
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Duesenberg
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The language encourages it. Who the heck is going to know or care?Absolutely false. No EF rubrics permit skipping prayers.
Again, poppycock. Allowing optional EPs for instance is not about “ad lib.” That’s a lie.As for the OF, the rubrics permit ad libbing. It’s in the rubrics.
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Vadne
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It’s called a FACT, not “poppycock” or a “lie.”
Read the rubrics. They permit the priest on multiple occasions to ad lib texts. It’s plain and clear in the rubrics.
As for the “language encourages it,” well Latin is the official language of the Novus Ordo, so I guess the OF encourages skipping prayers too.
Read the rubrics. They permit the priest on multiple occasions to ad lib texts. It’s plain and clear in the rubrics.
As for the “language encourages it,” well Latin is the official language of the Novus Ordo, so I guess the OF encourages skipping prayers too.
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jas84173
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Because it’s Protestant in nature.
We act like pawns and robots in it. No One even shows reverance for the Eucharist anymore.
I’m 33 and wasn’t even alive when the EF was the OF but I have went to EF Mass many times and it is so much more special. It’s what Mass should be. Sacred.
Now the OF resembles an Anglican or Lutheran service. It’s a shame.
We act like pawns and robots in it. No One even shows reverance for the Eucharist anymore.
I’m 33 and wasn’t even alive when the EF was the OF but I have went to EF Mass many times and it is so much more special. It’s what Mass should be. Sacred.
Now the OF resembles an Anglican or Lutheran service. It’s a shame.
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Duesenberg
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Oh, c’mon, I thought this was a serious discussion? I’m not much for the conspiracy theory that you’re trying to sell. CAF does have a “Casual” forum where such silliness belongs…Because it’s Protestant in nature.
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Indyann
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I would like to see some proof of your claims, other than your misguided opinion.
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jas84173
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My proof is my best friend was Anglican growing up and he used to ask me what’s even different about our services.
That’s a problem.
Go join an Anglican church if you love it so much. The Latin rite should be in Latin.
That’s a problem.
Go join an Anglican church if you love it so much. The Latin rite should be in Latin.
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Indyann
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No proof at all anecdotal 3rd hand misinformation. Educate yourself, child.
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Indyann
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Citation, please?
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rfournier103
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Maybe because the Novus Ordo more closely resembles a Protestant communion service than what was a “Catholic” Mass for almost 500 years.
There’s also a feeling that the current Holy Father is hostile towards Tradition, the Tridentine Mass, and anyone who isn’t “liberal”, and therefore the hostility may stem from the feeling of being attacked by the very same Church they love.
There’s this: Vatican rumblings: Pope Francis aiming to end Latin Mass permission | News | LifeSite
The above link doesn’t fill Catholics who want the Tridentine Mass with the warm-and-fuzzies.
There’s also a feeling that the current Holy Father is hostile towards Tradition, the Tridentine Mass, and anyone who isn’t “liberal”, and therefore the hostility may stem from the feeling of being attacked by the very same Church they love.
There’s this: Vatican rumblings: Pope Francis aiming to end Latin Mass permission | News | LifeSite
The above link doesn’t fill Catholics who want the Tridentine Mass with the warm-and-fuzzies.
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Debbie_Kono
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Proof?
One small snippet from posted link.
2005 survey of Catholic laity:
58% say abortion is permissible.
66% say divorce and remarriage are ok.
67% say marrying without Church’s permission is ok.
75% say contraception is ok.
Is it a coincidence that Catholics are more likely to hear teachings on the sin of abortion, divorce/remarriage and birth control in a sermon from priests who offer the EF compared to those who offer only the OF?
One small snippet from posted link.
2005 survey of Catholic laity:
58% say abortion is permissible.
66% say divorce and remarriage are ok.
67% say marrying without Church’s permission is ok.
75% say contraception is ok.
Is it a coincidence that Catholics are more likely to hear teachings on the sin of abortion, divorce/remarriage and birth control in a sermon from priests who offer the EF compared to those who offer only the OF?
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StephieNorthCo
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On the other hand, the Church isn’t a democracy. I don’t recall any ballots for doctrine along with my monthly or so envelopes.
Blessings,
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Blessings,
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adamhovey1988
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I don’t know but I’m sick of it. If you prefer Latin Mass, that’s cool, but don’t show me a chart on how the OF Mass is “similar” to Protestant worship. Some people go to both. I sometimes go to Latin Mass, but that doesn’t mean I have a problem with the OF.
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