Why I am drawn to Orthodoxy in one word

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I have felt drawn, off and on, to Orthodoxy for several years, because I felt there was a quality there I was missing as a western Catholic. Today, it suddenly came to me what the quality was: Sublimity. There is a sublimity in Orthodoxy, especially in doctrine and worship, that I don’t sense in western Catholicism… And it seems to me the True Faith should be Sublime.
 
Well, God could certainly be drawing you there.

The Catholic and Orthodox Churches are very similar in faith and worship.

Can you explain what you mean by a “sublimity…in faith and worship”?

SUBLIMITY: lofty, grand, or exalted in thought, expression, or manner b: of outstanding spiritual, intellectual, or moral worth c: tending to inspire awe usually because of elevated quality (as of beauty, nobility, or grandeur) or transcendent excellence​

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I have not met a person of Orthodox faith, have not seen an Orthodox church, etc. To me, it seems hidden and not a very visible “pillar of truth” as the Catholic Church is.
 
And it seems to me the True Faith should be Sublime.
The True Faith is Sublime. In fact, it’s beyond Sublime, it’s Divine! It’s Christ’s Church, led by the Holy Spirit - forever. The Orthodox churches have most of the true faith, but not all of it. Nor do they have unity of faith (Eph. 4:5) - one flock, one shepherd (John 10:16). And the successor of Peter has the Keys of the Kingdom (Matt. 16:19, John 21:16, Acts 1:20). He is the watchman standing at the gate; and the flock doesn’t recognize a stranger’s voice (John 10:1-6), we only recognize his voice (Acts 12:13-14). Hint: he has a German accent! And he’s holding the door open for all who love the truth. May God bless your journey! 😉
 
The True Faith is The Orthodox churches have most of the true faith, but not all of it. Nor do they have unity of faith (Eph. 4:5) - one flock, one shepherd (John 10:16).
Well, in my observation there is more unity of faith among the Orthodox, divided as they are jurisidictionally, than there is among Catholics. You compare traditionalist Catholics with typical American suburban Catholics, and their faiths are pretty different. Eastern Catholics have a different theology also.
 
You can explore Eastern Catholicism if you are drawn in the Eastern direction, but if you are still drwan to Orthodoxy then go orthodox.
 
The True Faith is Sublime. In fact, it’s beyond Sublime, it’s Divine! It’s Christ’s Church, led by the Holy Spirit - forever. The Orthodox churches have most of the true faith, but not all of it. Really. In what way? Nor do they have unity of faith (Eph. 4:5) Ephesians 4:5 states, "one Lord, one faith, one baptism…Christianity, in other words–not any particular secular denominational moniker. - one flock, one shepherd (John 10:16) And the successor of Peter has the Keys of the Kingdom (Matt. 16:19, John 21:16, Acts 1:20). Why are you referencing Acts 1:20 here? He is the watchman standing at the gate; and the flock doesn’t recognize a stranger’s voice (John 10:1-6), Keep going. "Jesus therefore said to them again, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.” (John 10:7). we only recognize his voice (Acts 12:13-14). Hint: he has a German accent! Jesus spoke Aramaic. And he’s holding the door open for all who love the truth. May God bless your journey! 😉
 
Well, in my observation there is more unity of faith among the Orthodox, divided as they are jurisidictionally, than there is among Catholics. You compare traditionalist Catholics with typical American suburban Catholics, and their faiths are pretty different. Eastern Catholics have a different theology also.
Shlomo,

I must confess, my brother, you and I are in the same boat. Please pray for me as I discern God’s will for where He wants me and I will do likewise for you.🙂

In Christ,
Andrew
 
I have felt drawn, off and on, to Orthodoxy for several years, because I felt there was a quality there I was missing as a western Catholic. Today, it suddenly came to me what the quality was: Sublimity. There is a sublimity in Orthodoxy, especially in doctrine and worship, that I don’t sense in western Catholicism… And it seems to me the True Faith should be Sublime.
Very true, here. The Catholic Church, sadly, has lost something in the sublime. Day by day I see it sliding, ironically, towards Protestantism in many respects, though most Catholics here will deny this.
 
Very true, here. The Catholic Church, sadly, has lost something in the sublime. Day by day I see it sliding, ironically, towards Protestantism in many respects, though most Catholics here will deny this.
Depends which section you post it in.
 
There is a sublimity in Orthodoxy, especially in doctrine and worship, that I don’t sense in western Catholicism… And it seems to me the True Faith should be Sublime.
Shlomo,

I must confess, my brother, you and I are in the same boat. Please pray for me as I discern God’s will for where He wants me and I will do likewise for you.🙂

In Christ,
Andrew
Dear friends,

I must agree that the Orthodox faith has a certain sense of sublimity and beauty. Personally, I love eastern iconography and architecture. Our choice of faith, however, should neither be determined by aesthetic taste nor by the warm and fuzzy feeling that you describe as sublimity. Our choice of faith should be determined by truth alone.

The fulness of Christianity has been preserved in the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church led by St. Peter and his 265 successors throughout history. Please note that the true Church has four marks, two of which are lacking in the Orthodox churches. Note that I say “Orthodox churches” and not “Orthodox Church”, as there is no one “Orthodox Church”, but rather a loose conglomeration of autonomous and nationalistic churches. So oneness is lacking in the Orthodox faith.

Also lacking is catholicity, as implied by the fact that the churches are nationalistic. More will be said about this in the articles I will post.

In leaving the Catholic Church for the Orthodox faith you will be participating in schism, which is a serious sin. If you have eastern sensibilities, consider attending an Eastern-rite Catholic Church. These are similar in liturgy and aesthetics to the Orthodox churches, but remain united to the one Body of Christ.

If it is sublimity that you seek, read the writings of St. Teresa of Avila so that you may realize that sublimity is not restricted to the territories east of the Bosphorous. Also, do not forget that such sublime eastern Church Fathers as St. Basil and St. Gregory were Catholics, in unity with the bishop of Rome.

Here are some articles, which I hope will show you that the Orthodox faith, although holy and apostolic, was made defective by their schism from the successors of the Rock upon which Christ Jesus built his Church:

catholic.com/thisrock/1996/9601fea2.asp
catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0504bt.asp
catholic.com/thisrock/2008/0810fea3.asp

I pray that you may remain in the true Church, and that we Christians may be one as Jesus and the Father are one (John 17:11).
 
I have felt drawn, off and on, to Orthodoxy for several years, because I felt there was a quality there I was missing as a western Catholic. Today, it suddenly came to me what the quality was: Sublimity. There is a sublimity in Orthodoxy, especially in doctrine and worship, that I don’t sense in western Catholicism… And it seems to me the True Faith should be Sublime.
Have you been to a Latin Mass?
 
If I were to swim across a river, it would be the Bosphorus, not the Tiber. Sublime is a wonderful way to put it re: Orthodoxy.
 
Glory to Jesus Christ!
Dear friends,

I must agree that the Orthodox faith has a certain sense of sublimity and beauty. Personally, I love eastern iconography and architecture. Our choice of faith, however, should neither be determined by aesthetic taste nor by the warm and fuzzy feeling that you describe as sublimity. Our choice of faith should be determined by truth alone.
That is what is making this such a hard thing to do. I am starting to think that the Orthodox have held to the Apostolic faith. I, in good conscience, do not think that I can remain a Catholic any longer due to certain doctrines such as Papal Infallibility, the filioque and the Immaculate Conception. I used to gloss over them and downplay them in comparison to the Orthodox. Now, I see that they are a rather big deal when looking at the whole of the history of the Church and the Fathers. Believe me or not, this is the conclusion I seem to be coming to.
The fulness of Christianity has been preserved in the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church led by St. Peter and his 265 successors throughout history. Please note that the true Church has four marks, two of which are lacking in the Orthodox churches. Note that I say “Orthodox churches” and not “Orthodox Church”, as there is no one “Orthodox Church”, but rather a loose conglomeration of autonomous and nationalistic churches. So oneness is lacking in the Orthodox faith.
There is a real unity of faith present, which is fully Catholic.
Also lacking is catholicity, as implied by the fact that the churches are nationalistic. More will be said about this in the articles I will post.
I will have to let one of our more knowledgeable Orthodox members answer this. However, from what I have noticed in reading history the churches were in areas before there were any boundaries drawn, in some cases within the past hundred years. Cyprus has been autocephalous since the mid 5th century, if memory serves.

I found this quote from Aleksey Khomyakov who said the Orthodox Church is one “because she belongs to the whole world, and not to any particular locality; because by her all mankind and all the earth, and not any particular nation or country, are sanctified; because her very essence consists in the agreement and unity of the spirit and life of all the members who acknowledge her, throughout the world.”
In leaving the Catholic Church for the Orthodox faith you will be participating in schism, which is a serious sin. If you have eastern sensibilities, consider attending an Eastern-rite Catholic Church. These are similar in liturgy and aesthetics to the Orthodox churches, but remain united to the one Body of Christ.
The correct term is Eastern Catholic Church. Rite refers to a ritual, or tradition. They are Christians with living traditions in union with Rome. I have been attending one for over a year now. The Eastern Catholic Churches are not given any respect in the Catholic Church. Their traditions are balked at and suppressed and are told to “submit to Rome” which is NOT how the Church was set up in the first millenium. They cannot express their true theology and spirituality because of Rome imposing dogmatic proclamations on them that they are forced to believe. It’s really rather sad, actually.
If it is sublimity that you seek, read the writings of St. Teresa of Avila so that you may realize that sublimity is not restricted to the territories east of the Bosphorous. Also, do not forget that such sublime eastern Church Fathers as St. Basil and St. Gregory were Catholics, in unity with the bishop of Rome.
I feel everyone should read both Eastern and Western Church Fathers. Yet, there is this notion in the Latin Church (in my experience anyway) that St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas are the only teachers of the faith and Saints that matter. This is simply not the case.
Here are some articles, which I hope will show you that the Orthodox faith, although holy and apostolic, was made defective by their schism from the successors of the Rock upon which Christ Jesus built his Church:
I pray that you may remain in the true Church, and that we Christians may be one as Jesus and the Father are one (John 17:11).
The Catholic Church recognizes that the Orthodox have everything the Catholics do before the schism and final break after the Council of Florence.

This is all I have to say on the matter right now. I do not want there to be any animosity between myself and other members on this forum. I am still discerning where God wants me, but I truly feel God calling me to become Orthodox. Please pray I follow God’s will.

Alloho minokhoun,
Andrew
 
The correct term is Eastern Catholic Church. Rite refers to a ritual, or tradition. They are Christians with living traditions in union with Rome.
My apologies for the misnomer.
The Eastern Catholic Churches are not given any respect in the Catholic Church. Their traditions are balked at and suppressed and are told to “submit to Rome” which is NOT how the Church was set up in the first millenium. They cannot express their true theology and spirituality because of Rome imposing dogmatic proclamations on them that they are forced to believe. It’s really rather sad, actually.
I do not know much about the relationship between Eastern and Western Catholics. Can you please send me an article to substantiate your claims.
I do not want there to be any animosity between myself and other members on this forum. I am still discerning where God wants me, but I truly feel God calling me to become Orthodox. Please pray I follow God’s will.
No hard feelings, friend. I am glad that you have placed this matter in the Lord’s hands. I trust that he will guide you to the truth, but I hope that you have the prudence to discern his will. Before making your decision be sure to read the articles that I have posted, as well as Catholic-perspective articles on the doctrines that you have called into question (you will find many such articles on this website). You will be in my prayers. Pray for me as well.
 
This has been something that has truly been an issue for me over the last few years.

I ,though, do not beleive becomming Orthodox is the correct solution.

I do think its inaccurate to claim that the Orthodox lack a unity of faith because they do not have the Pope. We have the Pope and we do not have a unity of faith, which is the ironic thing about it. I can probably go interview just the Catholics at my school campus and find at least 40% of them holding protestant or semi protetant views. That is pretty much how the world of Catholicism has been for the past 40 years. The Orthodox, while I might find minor disagreements here and there (such as birth control) there is no disunity of faith among them because they instinctively know and desire to defend Orthodoxy rather then change or have some aggornimento.

Like I said though, I do not think becomming Orthodox is the answer. I agree with the Melkites , that one can be fully Orthodox in union with Rome.
 
We have the Pope and we do not have a unity of faith, which is the ironic thing about it. I can probably go interview just the Catholics at my school campus and find at least 40% of them holding protestant or semi protetant views. That is pretty much how the world of Catholicism has been for the past 40 years.
Very true, which is sad. As much as I love the Catholic Church, it is slowly sinking into the sea of Protestantism. Ironic though, that the sublime thing it has now is that very thing–it is sinking into Protestantism without itself knowing it.
 
Glory To Jesus Christ!
May He Be Glorified Always!

Dear Andrew,

As a lifetime member of the Orthodox church, and a member of this forum for only a couple of months, I could spend hours and hours posting replies to those Christians who continually feel compelled to defend over and over again the doctrines they arrogantly insist describe the only true church, while tearing apart in complete and utter ignorance those of the Orthodox church and other faiths. You will not often find an Orthodox Christian that feels compelled to do the same. The reason is that Orthodox Christians are secure in their belief system. They have no need to defend themselves and their doctrines as others do, as the truth needs no defence. They believe their church is, indeed, the original Church of the Apostles, and continues so to this day. The word, “Orthodox,” derived from Greek, means, “right” or “truth,” and “belief.” It is unfortunate that a schism occurred centuries ago, but it has served to keep the Orthodox church firmly on track, never wavering or deviating, nor adding to, nor deleting from, the original truth as set down by Jesus Christ and his apostles. It is a church demonstrating patience and understanding, but most of all, it demonstrates love as Christ Himself demonstrated. I find that to be the missing element in some other faiths, which often seem to focus on control, penance, punishment, and rules, as reflected time and again in the posts of others on this forum.

Unfortunately, when humans enter into the picture, we bring our sins and imperfect existence with us. What is important is finding a church which shows, but most importantly, lives, the love of Christ. I trust you find this in your journey of faith. :love:

Prayerfully,
Triciacat
 
We have the Pope and we do not have a unity of faith, which is the ironic thing about it. I can probably go interview just the Catholics at my school campus and find at least 40% of them holding protestant or semi protetant views.
The personal opinions of college students have no bearing on the unity of the Catholic Church. We have unity of faith because every Catholic church holds the same dogmas and is in union with the Pope.
The Orthodox, while I might find minor disagreements here and there (such as birth control) there is no disunity of faith among them
Birth control is not a minor issue - the Catholic Church considers artificial contraception to be a mortal sin. If there is a disagreement amongst Orthodox churches on so vital an issue, this calls your claim that there is no disunity among them into question.
Like I said though, I do not think becomming Orthodox is the answer. I agree with the Melkites , that one can be fully Orthodox in union with Rome.
I agree. Eastern traditions and rituals should be preserved and celebrated, but union with Rome is essential.
 
The thing is though, how much unity of faith can there be among the Catholic Church if the Pope says one thing, and the vast majority of the faithful do not beleive it. Or an even worse example , religious liberty and other such things found in the Syllabus of Errors of Bl. Pius IX. Its not as clear cut as one would like to beleive as far as Pope’s faith=the faith of the beleivers.

As for Birth control, yes it is a major issue, but that is pretty much the ONLY issue you will find disagreement among other Orthodox on. Catholics though there is a much wider spectrum of disagreements. Yet we have a Pope that is supposed to be a guide through these. I think that we have a unity of faith, all I am saying is that it is unfair to criticize the Orthodox claiming that they lack a unity of faith simply because they don’t have a Pope.
 
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