Why I am not a Catholic - Romans 14:1-4

[Nicene]

Angainor:

Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. One man’s faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
Romans 14:1-4 (NIV)
The very nature of Catholicism is an affront to this principle. Catholicism takes a stand on very nearly every “disputable matter” imaginable and requires conformity of all Christians to its view. Who is Catholicism to judge someone else’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

If you actually believe your own above statement, then one question begs to be asked:

Who are you to judge someone elses servant?

Foot meet mouth.

Peace and God Bless
Nicene

 

[Della]

Angainor:

No, of couse not.

Catholics have the right not to associate with those they disagree with. Lutherans reserve that right as well. That’s what the Lutheran Church is, an association of Christian who have a like-minded understanding of theological issues.

Those Christians associated under the banner of Catholicism take this a step farther. Catholicism insists it is the keeper of the truth on all religious matters. It has the hubris* to speak for the whole of Christ’s Church. Lutherans seek to have their association while also remembering the principles laid out in Romans 14:1-4. Who are we to judge someone else’s servant?

*Someone used this word earlier and I took a liking to it.

But the Lutheran church wouldn’t even exist if it Luther hadn’t rebelled against his own Church–the Church Christ founded. How can you possibly think that a church founded by a mere man is on the same level in God’s eyes with the Church founded by the very Son of God himself? Lutherans are only connected to Christ’s Church because they have the same baptism that the Catholic Church says is the correct one. Lutheranism isn’t the universal Church–it isn’t even one church any more but several splitter groups all claiming to the the real Lutherans. Catholics, no matter what rite they practice, are all still truly Catholics with one visible leader, the pope.

 

[vern_humphrey]

As I said, the first Catholics were the Apostles. The Catholic Church has taught the message they passed on, consistently and coherently since the very beginning. If the Church is wrong, how can anyone else be right?

 

[Angainor]

Nicene:

If you actually believe your own above statement, then one question begs to be asked:

Who are you to judge someone elses servant?

Foot meet mouth.

Peace and God Bless
Nicene

I recognize the principle laid out in Romans 14:1-4 to be an indisputable truth. When I see a violation of that truth I can throw a flag on the field. Authority does not lie with me. Authority does not even lie with the words of Paul. Authority lies with the independent truthfulness of the concept Paul describes in Romans.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Angainor:

I recognize the principle laid out in Romans 14:1-4 to be an indisputable truth. When I see a violation of that truth I can throw a flag on the field. Authority does not lie with me. Authority does not even lie with the words of Paul. Authority lies with the independent truthfulness of the concept Paul describes in Romans.

Who appointed you the referee?

 

[estesbob]

Angainor:

I recognize the principle laid out in Romans 14:1-4 to be an indisputable truth. When I see a violation of that truth I can throw a flag on the field. Authority does not lie with me. Authority does not even lie with the words of Paul. Authority lies with the independent truthfulness of the concept Paul describes in Romans.

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Of course once again therein lies the problem of Sola Scriptura. Christ founded the Church so that people wouldnt get confused about what the Truth was. Otherwise people might end up basing their Faith on only 3 or 4 verses in the Bible .

 

[Angainor]

vern humphrey:

me:

I recognize the principle laid out in Romans 14:1-4 to be an indisputable truth. When I see a violation of that truth I can throw a flag on the field. Authority does not lie with me. Authority does not even lie with the words of Paul. Authority lies with the independent truthfulness of the concept Paul describes in Romans.

Who appointed you the referee?

What do you disagree with, that Romans 14:1-4 is an indisputable truth?

Don’t confuse the referee with the rulebook. I make no claim to be an authoritative referee, but it is my right to appeal to the truth revealed in scripture.
“’…[thread=78648]Now if you obey me[/thread] fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.”
Exodus 19:5-6

But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation.
1 Peter 2:9

Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist,…
Ephesians 6:13-14

 

[Angainor]

estesbob:

r
Of course once again therein lies the problem of Sola Scriptura. Christ founded the Church so that people wouldnt get confused about what the Truth was. Otherwise people might end up basing their Faith on only 3 or 4 verses in the Bible .

Amen

 

[Milliardo]

but it is my right to appeal to the truth revealed in scripture.

Based on whose interpretation?

 

[Coder]

Angainor, I encourage you to begin attending mass as a guest, meet with a priest, and consider entering an RCIA program! I know you will find great joy in the apostolic faith! We welcome you!

 

[vern_humphrey]

Angainor:

What do you disagree with, that Romans 14:1-4 is an indisputable truth?

Romans 14, 1-4 is one thing, your out-of-context interpretation of it something else entirely.

Angainor:

Don’t confuse the referee with the rulebook. I make no claim to be an authoritative referee, but it is my right to appeal to the truth revealed in scripture.

It’s your right to sing “Who Threw the Overalls in Missus Murphy’s Chowder” on the street corner if you choose – but don’t call it art.

I repeat, who make you the referee?

 

[GodBlessJoanie]

It’s difficult to be a Protestants in simply because there are 30,000 (IRS count) different demoninations that all preach different things.

Who’s right? Certainly they ALL can’t be right?? So who is it?

They pick and pluck Scripture which can be very confusing. Remember, all the God creates is in perfect harmony. If you take the Scripture at face value you will find conflict.

Just look as the Book of Genesis… the 1 and 2nd Chapters have conflicting descriptions about how the world was started. But the Catholic Church says that the basic premise of Genesis 1 & 2 is that GOD made everthing and EVERYTHING GOD made was good and HE assigned a DAY for HIS glory.

Period… the rest doesn’t matter.

Christ didn’t write the Scripture up in the sky for all of us to read. Why?

Because HE gave us the Church and HE’s guided the Church for the assembly of the Bible and it’s interpertation…

Romans 14 1-4 is no different.

Blessings,
Joanie

 

[Nicene]

Angainor:

I recognize the principle laid out in Romans 14:1-4 to be an indisputable truth. When I see a violation of that truth I can throw a flag on the field. Authority does not lie with me. Authority does not even lie with the words of Paul. Authority lies with the independent truthfulness of the concept Paul describes in Romans.

You mean like you just violated it? I just threw the red flag on the field for you violating it yourself. Now you try to justify yourself?

Straw man.

Peace and God Bless
Nicene

 

[TOP]

I just read Romans 14:4. I didn’t know the numbers, but when Im at work and I hear someone cussing in the shop, before I say anything to them, I always catch my self with “Who am I to judge anothers servent”. This has got me through many a day. Thank you, Tim

 

[Angainor]

Nicene:

If you actually believe your own above statement, then one question begs to be asked:

Who are you to judge someone elses servant?

Foot meet mouth.

Let me try again.
Romans 14:1-4 deals with disputable matters, as in: don’t pass “judgement of disputable matters.”

I recognize the principle laid out in Romans 14:1-4 to be an indisputable matter, do you? When I see a violation of that indisputable matter it is within my rights to throw a flag on the field without violating Romans 14:1-4 which deals with disputable matters.

Authority does not lie with me. Authority does not even lie with the words of Paul. Authority lies with the independent truth of the concept Paul describes in Romans.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Angainor:

Let me try again.
Romans 14:1-4 deals with disputable matters, as in: don’t pass “judgement of disputable matters.”

Which you’ve been doing all along in this thread – while falsely accusing the Catholic Church.

Angainor:

I recognize the principle laid out in Romans 14:1-4 to be an indisputable matter, do you? When I see a violation of that indisputable matter it is within my rights to throw a flag on the field without violating Romans 14:1-4 which deals with disputable matters.

You see wrong – what you are doing is in direct violation of teh principle in Romans 14,1-4.

Angainor:

Authority does not lie with me. Authority does not even lie with the words of Paul. Authority lies with the independent truth of the concept Paul describes in Romans.

Therefore “throwing a flag” is not within your purview, nor is criticizing the Catholic Church for doing what you, yourself do.

 

[estesbob]

Angainor:

Let me try again.
Romans 14:1-4 deals with disputable matters, as in: don’t pass “judgement of disputable matters.”

I recognize the principle laid out in Romans 14:1-4 to be an indisputable matter, do you? When I see a violation of that indisputable matter it is within my rights to throw a flag on the field without violating Romans 14:1-4 which deals with disputable matters.

Authority does not lie with me. Authority does not even lie with the words of Paul. Authority lies with the independent truth of the concept Paul describes in Romans.

Authority liew with the Catholic Church-the one true Church founded by Christ. Your obsession with 4 verses of scipture show the wisdom of Christ not leaving the interpreataion of what is “Truth” up to everyone to fgure out for themsleves

 

[Angainor]

Milliardo:

me:

but it is my right to appeal to the truth revealed in scripture.

Based on whose interpretation?

TIME OUT!

What are we talking about here? Interpretation of what? What exactly do you dispute?

 

[Angainor]

vern humphrey:

me:

Romans 14:1-4 deals with disputable

matters, as in: don’t pass "judgement of disputable matters."Which you’ve been doing all along in this thread – while falsely accusing the Catholic Church.

I am not understanding. Please be more specific.

1. Which disputable matter exactly am I passing judgement on?
2. Which specific action am I falsely accusing Catholicism of doing?

 

[Nicene]

Angainor:

I am not understanding. Please be more specific.

1. Which disputable matter exactly am I passing judgement on?
2. Which specific action am I falsely accusing Catholicism of doing?

You mean like this?

The very nature of Catholicism is an affront to this principle.

And I tossed a red flag on your red herring.

First you say “who are you to judge anothers servant.” then violate your own principle by the very above quote.

And I haven’t even gone through the thread, but that one was obvious from the start the moment I looked at it.

You have been given the chatechism reference earlier in what I did scan through which disputes your claim and lays it to rest. Yet you tenaciously hold your view contrary to evidence presented in an attempt to justify your actions of judging another servant.

Peace and God Bless
Nicene