Why I am not a Christian?

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paarsurrey said:
Hi
Jesus could not and did not die on Cross. He prayed that he should be saved, so he was saved by GodAllahYHWH.He later died a natural respectful death.
Kindly view the following:
tombofjesus.com/

Did Jesus die on the Cross? A BBC documentary
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1669658378154953060&q
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
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Jesus was crucified, died and was buried, and resurrected. The proof is the Shroud of Turin, the Bible, the historical account of Josephus, and other pagan.
 
lightofeyes said:
Why I am not a Christian?

I have never been a Christian nor will I ever become a Christian because of these main reasons:

1- Christianity is man-made religion. it contradicts pure monotheism which all previous prophets taught

2- It is vague when it speaks of a man being God at the same time , and being the son of himself?!

3- it accuses me of being guilty of an alleged sin which I have nothing to do with… Why are we being punished for Adam’s sin? After all, he ate the forbidden fruit, we didn’t. It’s his problem, not ours, especially in light of Deut. 24:16, which says children shall not be punished for the sins of their fathers.

4- It makes God look so helpless and blood thirsty because He could not forgive Adam & Eve and required the torture humiliation of himself to forgive them ??!! in other words He killed himself to please himself!

5- the Bible is full of contradictions, scientific and historical mistakes which proves it is man made

6- If you must accept Jesus as your Savior in order to be saved (John 14:6), what about the billions of beings that die as fetuses, infants, and mentally deficient, etc.? For them to accept Jesus would be impossible. So they are condemned to hell because of conditions over which they had no control. Deut. 32:4 says God is just, but where is the justice?
  1. If God had created Adam and Eve to stay in Heavens, was He unable to protect them from Satan? Did He warn them against obeying Satan by telling them the consequences if they did?
    The fact is: When God created Adam & Eve, HE put them in Paradise & warned them against obeying Satan, & told them that if they did obey him, they will be kicked out of Paradise.
We know the rest of the story. Of course it was Gods plan all along to have Adam & Eve live here on earth, but He made them go through that experience with Satan as a practical lesson for all of us so that we know what happens to us if we disobey God & obey Satan, unless you think God planned for them to stay in Paradise forever but was unable to protect them from Satan.

8- salvation either wipes out all sins, or it does not.
If the first case is true, then it leads to what we say that Christianity encourages people to do whatever they please.

If the second case is the fact, then there is no need to what Jesus PBUH had gone through.
  1. Christians worship more than one God, ie Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Christians say that it is only one God, however even their most knowledgeable priests cannot completely explain the trinity.
  2. Christians disregard the laws of the Old Testament, and have made it legal for themselves to do sinful acts such as eating pork, drinking alcohol, and not circumcising their sons.
  3. Christians depict images of holy figures such as Jesus, Mary, saints, and other prophets and use those images to direct their worship. I regard this as idolatry, and also as disregarding the second of the ten commandments:
“You shall have no other gods besides Me…Do not make a sculpted image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above…”
  1. Most Christians insult other religions/religious leaders such as Muslims. This tells me that they have very little tolerance and believe that they have a monopoly on truth; therefore they are unwilling to consider any other religions’ beliefs.
  2. Most of the Christians practices in Church and in their homes were invented after the time of Jesus. Almost everything Christians due whether it is standing in church singing songs to hanging crosses on their necks is an innovation.
so i am proud to be Muslim cuz its the unique true God’s religion.
peace…
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You start a thread and leave without defending your position. I’m not sure why? It’s easy to make accusations against Christians, however in order to show that Islam is from God, you need to show us why, which you have not done.
 
paarsurrey said:
Hi
Jesus could not and did not die on Cross. He prayed that he should be saved, so he was saved by GodAllahYHWH.He later died a natural respectful death.
Kindly view the following:
tombofjesus.com/

Did Jesus die on the Cross? A BBC documentary
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1669658378154953060&q
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
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BelFarfalla said:
What you relate here is a distortion put forth in the Qur’an. Why? Because in order to justify itself, Islam must demost Christ to a mere prophet. It’s a self serving rewrite of history.

Neither of the links that you provide are accurate sources. Both have a few things in common… both seek to destroy Christianity. It seems to be a hobby of many today, to include you.
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exoflare said:
I get the feeling most of you already know, but just for good measure… Everyone here should know that the OP is just a troll who makes hit-and-run selling points for Islam and/or slings mud at Christianity and then simply ignores all the responses later on. This person is not interested in discussing anything.

In short, don’t waste your time with him/her/it.
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Hi paarsurrey,

Denying Jesus as the Son of God is worthy for debate. But denying the crucifixion is foolish.

There is too much historical and scientific evidence to deny the crucifixion. Your denial shows your contempt for the truth. Therefore, your original post is nullified; There is no point in answering your questions, because you have shown that you can not reason.

exoflare is right.
 
This post gets my goat!
To insult Christianity and FOLLOW a religion made up by a drugged up crazy man in a cave is ludicrous.
You can have your Moon God and his prophet as far as I am concerned.
WP
 
Charlie_Zeaiter said:
Hi paarsurrey,

Denying Jesus as the Son of God is worthy for debate. But denying the crucifixion is foolish.

There is too much historical and scientific evidence to deny the crucifixion. Your denial shows your contempt for the truth. Therefore, your original post is nullified; There is no point in answering your questions, because you have shown that you can not reason.

exoflare is right.
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Yes exoflare is right is right. The only reason I responded to the original post is for those who read her post. There are many people on forum like these who never register or participate. But the read. If a post like to OP goes unchallenged, some of the casual readers might get the idea that it was right.
 
Mannyfit75 said:
Jesus was crucified, died and was buried, and resurrected. The proof is the Shroud of Turin, the Bible, the historical account of Josephus, and other pagan.
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Hi
I request you to kindly make at least one improvement for the time being in your above statement. JesusYeshuaIssa was never buried in a grave, he was hurriedly shifted and laid in a tomb with two opening, one was larger could be called a door and another smaller maybe termed as a ventilator so that JesusYeshuaIssa is no suffocated and gets fresh air, he needed it as he was only a near-dead. The tomb of Arimathea where JesusYeshuaIssa was laid after the incident of Crucifixion had been discovered a century ago. Please view it here:
gardentomb.com/information.php
Please don’t mind, facts keep on surfacing, and should be accepted in true spirits.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
 
Charlie_Zeaiter said:
Hi paarsurrey,
Denying Jesus as the Son of God is worthy for debate. But denying the crucifixion is foolish.
There is too much historical and scientific evidence to deny the crucifixion. Your denial shows your contempt for the truth. Therefore, your original post is nullified; There is no point in answering your questions, because you have shown that you can not reason.
exoflare is right.
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Hi
I never denied that JesusYeshuaIssa was put on the Cross. He was put on the Cross but he was delivered from it in near-dead position , his legs were not broken and he was hurriedly shifted to a tomb, not a grave, by his friends and followers for treatment. Later he recovered his consciousness in due course of time.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
 
paarsurrey said:
Hi
I never denied that JesusYeshuaIssa was put on the Cross. He was put on the Cross but he was delivered from it in near-dead position , his legs were not broken and he was hurriedly shifted to a tomb, not a grave, by his friends and followers for treatment. Later he recovered his consciousness in due course of time.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
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Sorry, I forgot to say “bye bye” 👋
 
kellie said:
I wouldn’t want to be a Christian either if what you said was 100% correct lightofeyes.

But we Christians know better.

Tell me, do you ride a donkey to work lightofeyes?
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With all due respect to you, when you are trying to attribute a son to God almighty what you ride more than donkey.!.

as muslims we think that Christians have committed a great blasphemy by trying to attribute a son to God.

peacee…
 
BelFarfalla said:
You are doing exactly this…. You are insulting Christianity and our religious leaders, saying that they have fabricated Christianity. Yare are telling us that you and Islam has a monopoly on the truth and are therefore unwilling to consider any other religion’s beliefs.

It seems that you are accusing others of doing exactly what you are actually doing.
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No brother i am not insullting Christianity rather i don’t intend to insult it but these are the facts about christianty, its simply man made religion.
 
lightofeyes said:
No brother i am not insullting Christianity rather i don’t intend to insult it but these are the facts about christianty, its simply man made religion.
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Nope, you are insulting Christianity. You came to a Catholic forum and said that our religion is a lie. That my dear is an insult.

But, based on your view of what is or is not an insult… Islam is a man made religion… invented by a war lord, a very smart war lord who copied things from the Jewish and Christain faith, but twisted them to justify his replacing those faiths and using their history as the history of this new religion he invented. Then he commanded his people to destoy Judeism and Christianity through conversion, subjigation or killing of all Jews and Christians. Like I said, Muhammad as the great manipulator.

Of course what I just said is not an insult, it’s simply stating the turth.
 
paarsurrey said:
Hi
I never denied that JesusYeshuaIssa was put on the Cross. He was put on the Cross but he was delivered from it in near-dead position , his legs were not broken and he was hurriedly shifted to a tomb, not a grave, by his friends and followers for treatment. Later he recovered his consciousness in due course of time.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
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What you just stated does not agree with the Qur’an. It states that Jesus was never crucified, or put on the cross.

4:156-159 “That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in boast): ‘We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.’ But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them.”

The false charge against Mary was that she was unchaste. Such a charge is bad enough to make against any woman, but to make it against Mary, the mother of Jesus, was to bring into redicule Allah’s power itself. Islam is specially strong in guarding the reputation of women. Slanderers of women are bound to bring four witnesses in support of their accusation, and if they fail to produce four witnesses, they are be flogged with eighty stripes and debarred forever from being competent witnesses.
 
lightofeyes said:
Why I am not a Christian?

I have never been a Christian nor will I ever become a Christian because of these main reasons:

1- Christianity is man-made religion. it contradicts pure monotheism which all previous prophets taught

2- It is vague when it speaks of a man being God at the same time , and being the son of himself?!

3- it accuses me of being guilty of an alleged sin which I have nothing to do with… Why are we being punished for Adam’s sin? After all, he ate the forbidden fruit, we didn’t. It’s his problem, not ours, especially in light of Deut. 24:16, which says children shall not be punished for the sins of their fathers.

4- It makes God look so helpless and blood thirsty because He could not forgive Adam & Eve and required the torture humiliation of himself to forgive them ??!! in other words He killed himself to please himself!

5- the Bible is full of contradictions, scientific and historical mistakes which proves it is man made

6- If you must accept Jesus as your Savior in order to be saved (John 14:6), what about the billions of beings that die as fetuses, infants, and mentally deficient, etc.? For them to accept Jesus would be impossible. So they are condemned to hell because of conditions over which they had no control. Deut. 32:4 says God is just, but where is the justice?
  1. If God had created Adam and Eve to stay in Heavens, was He unable to protect them from Satan? Did He warn them against obeying Satan by telling them the consequences if they did?
    The fact is: When God created Adam & Eve, HE put them in Paradise & warned them against obeying Satan, & told them that if they did obey him, they will be kicked out of Paradise.
We know the rest of the story. Of course it was Gods plan all along to have Adam & Eve live here on earth, but He made them go through that experience with Satan as a practical lesson for all of us so that we know what happens to us if we disobey God & obey Satan, unless you think God planned for them to stay in Paradise forever but was unable to protect them from Satan.

8- salvation either wipes out all sins, or it does not.
If the first case is true, then it leads to what we say that Christianity encourages people to do whatever they please.

If the second case is the fact, then there is no need to what Jesus PBUH had gone through.
  1. Christians worship more than one God, ie Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Christians say that it is only one God, however even their most knowledgeable priests cannot completely explain the trinity.
  2. Christians disregard the laws of the Old Testament, and have made it legal for themselves to do sinful acts such as eating pork, drinking alcohol, and not circumcising their sons.
  3. Christians depict images of holy figures such as Jesus, Mary, saints, and other prophets and use those images to direct their worship. I regard this as idolatry, and also as disregarding the second of the ten commandments:
“You shall have no other gods besides Me…Do not make a sculpted image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above…”
  1. Most Christians insult other religions/religious leaders such as Muslims. This tells me that they have very little tolerance and believe that they have a monopoly on truth; therefore they are unwilling to consider any other religions’ beliefs.
  2. Most of the Christians practices in Church and in their homes were invented after the time of Jesus. Almost everything Christians due whether it is standing in church singing songs to hanging crosses on their necks is an innovation.
so i am proud to be Muslim cuz its the unique true God’s religion.
peace…/QUOTE

Well, thirteen reasons are good enough to state why you are not a Christian. well then could you state thirteen reasons why you are a muslim? Enlighten me please so I can…
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lightofeyes said:
No Muslims do not drink camel urine may be you have misconception.
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You are right that Muslims do not generally drink camel urine. Muhammad did however prescibe mixing it with camel mike as a medication.

Narrated Abu Qilaba: "Anas said, “Some people of 'Ukl or 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels. The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron, They were put in ‘Al-Harra’ and when they asked for water, no water was given to them.” Abu Qilaba said, “Those people committed theft and murder, became infidels after embracing Islam and fought against Allah and His Apostle . (Sahih Bukhari, Ablutions (Wudu’), Volume 1, Book 4, Number 234)”
 
BelFarfalla said:
You are doing exactly this…. You are insulting Christianity and our religious leaders, saying that they have fabricated Christianity. Yare are telling us that you and Islam has a monopoly on the truth and are therefore unwilling to consider any other religion’s beliefs.

It seems that you are accusing others of doing exactly what you are actually doing.
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I was going to say almost this exactly yesterday, but closed the window before I did because I thought it was bit too antagonistic.

That and my New Year’s Resolution was to not let so many trolls bait me. :rotfl:

The posters on this thread have done the job better than I could anyway. 👍
 
BelFarfalla said:
Nope, you are insulting Christianity. You came to a Catholic forum and said that our religion is a lie. That my dear is an insult.

But, based on your view of what is or is not an insult… Islam is a man made religion… invented by a war lord, a very smart war lord who copied things from the Jewish and Christain faith, but twisted them to justify his replacing those faiths and using their history as the history of this new religion he invented. Then he commanded his people to destoy Judeism and Christianity through conversion, subjigation or killing of all Jews and Christians. Like I said, Muhammad as the great manipulator.

Of course what I just said is not an insult, it’s simply stating the turth.
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Do you know that all wars were to defend Muslims, the amount of killed people from Muslims and none Muslims was no more than one thousand, but see how people killed in crusade wars, ww1.2 and others see Christians crimes in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine
The world was very secure when Muslims were dominated.
 
EDUCE_1 said:
Well, thirteen reasons are good enough to state why you are not a Christian. well then could you state thirteen reasons why you are a muslim? Enlighten me please so I can…
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Islam is the last religion for all mankind, the prophet Muhammad is the last messenger of God brought the pure monothism which all previos prophet taught. the Quran is the only scripture that has net been changed.

God is one :

[1] Say (O Muhammad (peace be upon him)) "He is Allâh, (the) One.
[2] "Allâh-us-Samad (allah The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, (He neither eats nor drinks))

[3] "He begets not, nor was He begotten.

[4] “And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him.”

so if you believe that there is no God but allah without any partner. and the prophet muhammad is the messenger of Allah you will be saved.
 
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