Why I am not a Christian?

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No jesus was not crucified. we have a proof even from your own bible.
Do you know that all wars were to defend Muslims, the amount of killed people from Muslims and none Muslims was no more than one thousand, but see how people killed in crusade wars, ww1.2 and others see Christians crimes in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine
The world was very secure when Muslims were dominated.
Hi lightofeyes,

Just like I wrote to paarsurrey, in Post # 23 above, you too have failed to show that you can think rationally; It is foolish to deny the well documented historical fact of Jesus of Nazarath and his crucifixion.

You too, like paarsurrey, have shown that it is pointless to answer your questions because you can not reason.

Bye-bye. 👋
 
Why I am not a Christian?

I have never been a Christian nor will I ever become a Christian because of these main reasons:

1- Christianity is man-made religion. it contradicts pure monotheism which all previous prophets taught

2- It is vague when it speaks of a man being God at the same time , and being the son of himself?!

3- it accuses me of being guilty of an alleged sin which I have nothing to do with… Why are we being punished for Adam’s sin? After all, he ate the forbidden fruit, we didn’t. It’s his problem, not ours, especially in light of Deut. 24:16, which says children shall not be punished for the sins of their fathers.

4- It makes God look so helpless and blood thirsty because He could not forgive Adam & Eve and required the torture humiliation of himself to forgive them ??!! in other words He killed himself to please himself!

5- the Bible is full of contradictions, scientific and historical mistakes which proves it is man made

6- If you must accept Jesus as your Savior in order to be saved (John 14:6), what about the billions of beings that die as fetuses, infants, and mentally deficient, etc.? For them to accept Jesus would be impossible. So they are condemned to hell because of conditions over which they had no control. Deut. 32:4 says God is just, but where is the justice?
  1. If God had created Adam and Eve to stay in Heavens, was He unable to protect them from Satan? Did He warn them against obeying Satan by telling them the consequences if they did?
    The fact is: When God created Adam & Eve, HE put them in Paradise & warned them against obeying Satan, & told them that if they did obey him, they will be kicked out of Paradise.
We know the rest of the story. Of course it was Gods plan all along to have Adam & Eve live here on earth, but He made them go through that experience with Satan as a practical lesson for all of us so that we know what happens to us if we disobey God & obey Satan, unless you think God planned for them to stay in Paradise forever but was unable to protect them from Satan.

8- salvation either wipes out all sins, or it does not.
If the first case is true, then it leads to what we say that Christianity encourages people to do whatever they please.

If the second case is the fact, then there is no need to what Jesus PBUH had gone through.
  1. Christians worship more than one God, ie Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Christians say that it is only one God, however even their most knowledgeable priests cannot completely explain the trinity.
  2. Christians disregard the laws of the Old Testament, and have made it legal for themselves to do sinful acts such as eating pork, drinking alcohol, and not circumcising their sons.
  3. Christians depict images of holy figures such as Jesus, Mary, saints, and other prophets and use those images to direct their worship. I regard this as idolatry, and also as disregarding the second of the ten commandments:
“You shall have no other gods besides Me…Do not make a sculpted image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above…”
  1. Most Christians insult other religions/religious leaders such as Muslims. This tells me that they have very little tolerance and believe that they have a monopoly on truth; therefore they are unwilling to consider any other religions’ beliefs.
  2. Most of the Christians practices in Church and in their homes were invented after the time of Jesus. Almost everything Christians due whether it is standing in church singing songs to hanging crosses on their necks is an innovation.
so i am proud to be Muslim cuz its the unique true God’s religion.
peace…
After all of that you need to come to a Catholic forum and sprout your stuff? Whose peace? your faith does not teach peace. So whose peace are you sending.
You say the faith of Christians was invented after Jesus. Well what the blazes do you think Mohammed did? He was 700 years after Jesus and what does the Koran teach. About heavenly virgins, for murder.?
Sorry sport not interested in your rantings.
Grace Angel.
 
You are a Muslim? Since Muslims believe that the Bible is a forgery, you cannot use the Bible as proof of anything. 😃
I can’t rely in the bible as a book of God becasue it has been corrupted, but by it i can refute your claims since you Christians rely on the bible as God words, ae show me explicitly where in the bible did jesus say i am your God worship me.
even the trinity is not even mentioned in the bible.

why jesus would ask you in the day of the judgment “why you did not worship me” since he did not order you in the bible.

while you would find handereds verses in the Quran God say “i am your God worship me”
 
You really should learn about Christianity before attacking it.
no kidding. i learned the answers to those questions in the first few months of learning about the faith. in fact i think some of those are in the top ten list of many anti-catholic lists. c’mon, i could think of much better and in-depth reasons not to be Christian, and i’m Catholic!
Whose peace? your faith does not teach peace. So whose peace are you sending…
woah careful there. Muhammad was a man of peace. Islam is essentially a faith of peace as well. it’s the crazy fundamentalists that make them seem crazy, and every religion has them, as does Christianity.
 
Yes my religion is the religion of peace whether you accept that or not, the history proves this.
Prophet Muhammad pbuh said to his enemies leaders after he opened Makka : "Go you are free”
He forgave them despite they have killed his family and his people

And the leader Salaheddin left crusaders in Jerusalem after he Opened it without killing them as what they did with his family and his brothers.

Wars were waged against the prophet Muhammad, but he convinced his enemies that peace had greater power than war, as was shown by the peace treaty of Hudaybiyyah. In this the Prophet (SAWS) agreed to every demand of his enemies, on the assurance that, in return, peace would necessarily ensue.

again peace…
 
The character of Jesus and the Apostles vs. Mohammed, a guy that was into nine year old girls and mass murder. Not exactly a difficult decision.

Character arguements aside, history is proof that Islam cannot be true. A major tenet of Islam is that within the “house of Islam” human society should be at it’s peak, whereas the “house of war” must be a choatic place full of barbarism. Islam was supposed to defeat the Christian world, but in reality the reverse in both cases is true. The Christian world is so much better than the Islamic world that Muslims will do anything from lie, cheat, and steal to boarding leaky boats just to get into the Christian world, The west at various points of history, from the Crusades through the modern British empire, has conquered and occupied massive amounts of the “house of Islam.” According to Islam this isn’t possible, and yet it is historical fact.
 
Hi
I request you to kindly make at least one improvement for the time being in your above statement. JesusYeshuaIssa was never buried in a grave, he was hurriedly shifted and laid in a tomb with two opening, one was larger could be called a door and another smaller maybe termed as a ventilator so that JesusYeshuaIssa is no suffocated and gets fresh air, he needed it as he was only a near-dead. The tomb of Arimathea where JesusYeshuaIssa was laid after the incident of Crucifixion had been discovered a century ago. Please view it here:
gardentomb.com/information.php
Please don’t mind, facts keep on surfacing, and should be accepted in true spirits.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
We have never said Jesus was buried in a grave.

Here is a line from the link you give …

“It is believed by many to be the location of the garden of Joseph of Arimathea, outside the city walls, and the tomb where Jesus Christ was laid after His crucifixion; and rose from death.”

This refutes anything you are trying to say.
 
Yes my religion is the religion of peace whether you accept that or not, the history proves this.
Prophet Muhammad pbuh said to his enemies leaders after he opened Makka : "Go you are free”
He forgave them despite they have killed his family and his people

And the leader Salaheddin left crusaders in Jerusalem after he Opened it without killing them as what they did with his family and his brothers.

Wars were waged against the prophet Muhammad, but he convinced his enemies that peace had greater power than war, as was shown by the peace treaty of Hudaybiyyah. In this the Prophet (SAWS) agreed to every demand of his enemies, on the assurance that, in return, peace would necessarily ensue.

again peace…
then go and be the best Muslim you can be for your people. don’t judge a people or their religion when you don’t know their reasoning behind their basic beliefs (based on your reasons which are far from what we believe), as i have not judged you this way either. (and i have only studied the very basic history and beliefs of Islam from my secular religion class, but i still knew Muhammad was a man of peace and not terrorism.)

if you want to see what we do believe compared to your reasons, the help is available.
 
With all due respect to you, when you are trying to attribute a son to God almighty what you ride more than donkey.!.

as muslims we think that Christians have committed a great blasphemy by trying to attribute a son to God.

peacee…
I don’t think you understood my post.

You make these absurd claims that we don’t follow Jesus properly as we don’t do everything He did.

So I am asking if you ride a donkey to work, as Jesus did.

If not, then you too are not following Jesus’ life to the letter.
 
Do you know that all wars were to defend Muslims, the amount of killed people from Muslims and none Muslims was no more than one thousand, but see how people killed in crusade wars, ww1.2 and others see Christians crimes in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine
The world was very secure when Muslims were dominated.
Your history is WRONG.

During the time of Muhammad, he and his people killed many more then 1000. During the Battle of the Trench alone Muhammad had about 900 men and young teens beheaded. They had their hand tied behind their backs. A trench was dug. They were made to bend over the trench and their head were chopped off. After that Muhammad’s men asked his permission to rape the women who had just spend the night seeing their fathers, husbands, sons… Beheaded by the hundreds.

Muhammad had a revelation that that this rape was ok. Please do not bother to deny this as I will of course then have to post the authentic Hadiths, recorded by Muslims in which they are bragging of this slaughter and rape as though it were some great holy act.

Muhammad destroyed by killing, enslaving or scattering every Jewish tribe of Medina. Then he turned to the rest of the Arabian Peninsula…. Killing thousands.

After the death of Muhammad the War of the Apostates was fought. Upon hearing of his death, thousands left Islam thinking that they were finally free from the tyrant. Instead of freedom these people were met with the sword. As Muhammad commanded… Kill those who leave Islam. And so his followers did until the people realized that to keep their lives they were trapped in Islam.

Muslims over ran the entire Middle East, North Africa, the Iberian Peninsula (Spain) and Indian Subcontinent. Muslims invaded peaceful people who were not even thinking of attacking them. The Muslims were following the Shari’ah law of jihad (the lesser jihad). I will be glad to post the Shari’ah law that states it is the obligation of all Muslims to fight a bloody war to spread their religion through conversion, subjugation or killing until the entire world is for Islam.

In the Indian subcontinent, Muslim armies invaded an advanced civilization, destroying thousands of temples, many universities, great libraries, etc. During the years 1000 to 1300 Muslim armies killed around 80 MILLION Hindus. The Muslims who built the Tashma Hal had a quota, that his army would slaughter at least 100,000 Hindu a year. They army took great pride in surpassing this creating kills of Hindu skulls.

And we have not even started to talk about the carnage in the Middle East, North Africa, Spain and the rest of Europe.
The Crusades were a response to the constant Islamic attacks on Constantinople, the Christian lands of the Middle East, North Africa and Europe. Europeans finally decided to take the offensive against Islam.

And then of course after the Crusades, the Ottoman Empire took up attacking Europe again. In my grandmother’s town in Italy, during the 1400‘s, the Ottoman killed 12,000 after torturing them to try to get them to convert to Islam. When no one would they finally killed all of them. Before the torturing began, they captured the Bishop and other priests… sawing the Bishop in half while he was still alive then cut up the other clergy while the horrified town’s people watched. So right there we have 12 times your claim of 1000. And the attack on that town was an attack on innocent people who did nothing to the Muslims.

Your revisionist ‘history’ of Islam is quite honestly a lie that no educated person will believe. It would be more honest to just admit the truth of the blood spilt by Islam for the last 1400 years. The rest of the world is honest enough to admit the actions of our ancestors. You really ought to do the same. Islam is anything but innocent.
 
I can’t rely in the bible as a book of God becasue it has been corrupted, but by it i can refute your claims since you Christians rely on the bible as God words, ae show me explicitly where in the bible did jesus say i am your God worship me.
even the trinity is not even mentioned in the bible.
why jesus would ask you in the day of the judgment “why you did not worship me” since he did not order you in the bible.
while you would find handereds verses in the Quran God say “i am your God worship me”
You can claim that the Bible is corrupted all you want. You cannot prove it.

You also cannot prove that the Qur’an is a valid holy book.
I have read and studied both the Bible and the Qur’an. They cannot both be true as the Qur’an seeks to destroy the Bible. The OT was around for thousands of years before even Jesus was born. The NT was around for hundreds of years before Muhammad started seeing things. I do not believe that God would have allowed people to go for thousands of years with a lie. So I believe that the Bible, OT & NT are correct. That means that the Qur’an is the forgery.
 
I can’t rely in the bible as a book of God becasue it has been corrupted, but by it i can refute your claims since you Christians rely on the bible as God words, ae show me explicitly where in the bible did jesus say i am your God worship me.

even the trinity is not even mentioned in the bible.
The Trinity is mentioned in the bible. … the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. That is the trinity. It is mentioned in several places.
why jesus would ask you in the day of the judgment “why you did not worship me” since he did not order you in the bible.
No Christians do not believe in the judgement day multiple choice quiz that Muslims believe is going to be poped on them. There is not need for it. God knows all, so God knows what people did in their lives.
while you would find handereds verses in the Quran God say “i am your God worship me”
There are many verses in the Bible saying to worship God. We worship the one and only God.
 
Yes my religion is the religion of peace whether you accept that or not, the history proves this.
Prophet Muhammad pbuh said to his enemies leaders after he opened Makka : "Go you are free”
He forgave them despite they have killed his family and his people

And the leader Salaheddin left crusaders in Jerusalem after he Opened it without killing them as what they did with his family and his brothers.

Wars were waged against the prophet Muhammad, but he convinced his enemies that peace had greater power than war, as was shown by the peace treaty of Hudaybiyyah. In this the Prophet (SAWS) agreed to every demand of his enemies, on the assurance that, in return, peace would necessarily ensue.

again peace…
Actually, Mohammed lead armies, conquered and killed untold thousands of people. It’s historical fact, Islam has never been spread by peaceful means.
At the battle of Hatin Salah-din killed all the captured crusaders. Muslims clerics were only to happy to join in the blood shed. The only reason Christians were allowed to leave Jerusalem is because he realized that the crusaders could kill all the Muslims before he could get over the walls. When given the choice Salah-din opted for slaughter. Contrary to the popular mythology he was a bloody thirsty savage, the equal of the worst of any Crusade leader.
 
Actually, Mohammed lead armies, conquered and killed untold thousands of people. It’s historical fact, Islam has never been spread by peaceful means.
At the battle of Hatin Salah-din killed all the captured crusaders. Muslims clerics were only to happy to join in the blood shed. The only reason Christians were allowed to leave Jerusalem is because he realized that the crusaders could kill all the Muslims before he could get over the walls. When given the choice Salah-din opted for slaughter. Contrary to the popular mythology he was a bloody thirsty savage, the equal of the worst of any Crusade leader.
I have read that the 30,000 Crusader prisoners were executed by Salah-din after the battle of Hatin.
 
You are right that Muslims do not generally drink camel urine. Muhammad did however prescibe mixing it with camel mike as a medication.

Narrated Abu Qilaba: "Anas said, “Some people of 'Ukl or 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels. The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron, They were put in ‘Al-Harra’ and when they asked for water, no water was given to them.” Abu Qilaba said, “Those people committed theft and murder, became infidels after embracing Islam and fought against Allah and His Apostle . (Sahih Bukhari, Ablutions (Wudu’), Volume 1, Book 4, Number 234)”
What you failed to understand is that when the prophet say something it must be true 100%.
and therse is a proof proves that the animal urine sometime used as a medicine . like this medicine:

premarin.org/
this medicine is PREgnant MARes’ urINe.

check it out.
 
What you failed to understand is that when the prophet say something it must be true 100%.
and therse is a proof proves that the animal urine sometime used as a medicine . like this medicine:

premarin.org/
this medicine is PREgnant MARes’ urINe.

check it out.
By what criteria do you judge whether a prophet is truely from God or not?

You claim Jesus and Mohammed are both prophets yet there is one very distinct difference between Jesus and Mohammed. Jesus not only claimed God among us and also to be without sin, and He gave a lot of evidence to support His claims; like dying on a cross for the sins of the world. Mohammed didn’t claim divinity but was just a sinful man like the rest of us.
 
Yes my religion is the religion of peace whether you accept that or not, the history proves this.
Prophet Muhammad pbuh said to his enemies leaders after he opened Makka : "Go you are free”
He forgave them despite they have killed his family and his people

And the leader Salaheddin left crusaders in Jerusalem after he Opened it without killing them as what they did with his family and his brothers.

Wars were waged against the prophet Muhammad, but he convinced his enemies that peace had greater power than war, as was shown by the peace treaty of Hudaybiyyah. In this the Prophet (SAWS) agreed to every demand of his enemies, on the assurance that, in return, peace would necessarily ensue.

again peace…
Are you serious? Is “peace” why Muhammad claimed that he had been made victorious by terror??

You’ve been reading too many fairytales concocted by Muslims to hide the true nature of your false prophet! Islam has been spread by the sword from its inception!

This is another post that certifies why we cannot have any meaningful discussions with people who have given up the powers of reasoning and who rewrite history to suit their agenda!

Muslims are killing infidels and even each other every day and you keep parroting the phrase that Islam means “peace”! :eek:
 
Islam is the last religion for all mankind, the prophet Muhammad is the last messenger of God brought the pure monothism which all previos prophet taught. the Quran is the only scripture that has net been changed.
Islam is the most fervent heresy of Christainity to have survived.

Mamet is not the last false prophet, though possibly the loudest, to hear the words of Satan and attribute them to God.

Christianity is pure monotheism, where God shows Himself to us in different ways.

Islam is pure claimed-monotheism, where it’s god has convinced it’s adherents that it is God.

The koran is amusing.
God is one :

[1] Say (O Muhammad (peace be upon him)) "He is Allâh, (the) One.
[2] "Allâh-us-Samad (allah The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, (He neither eats nor drinks))

[3] "He begets not, nor was He begotten.

[4] “And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him.”

so if you believe that there is no God but allah without any partner. and the prophet muhammad is the messenger of Allah you will be saved.
This allah is a very powerful deceiver “god”, that age old creation of God, who indeed has no “partners” because he would not stand the presence of any peers in evil to himself, and Mamet is indeed his messenger.

Have a lovely day, (LI)ghtofey(ES). 🙂

Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaikai ia oe. Aloha nui.
 
Why I am not a Christian?

I have never been a Christian nor will I ever become a Christian because of these main reasons:

1- Christianity is man-made religion. it contradicts pure monotheism which all previous prophets taught

2- It is vague when it speaks of a man being God at the same time , and being the son of himself?!

3- it accuses me of being guilty of an alleged sin which I have nothing to do with… Why are we being punished for Adam’s sin? After all, he ate the forbidden fruit, we didn’t. It’s his problem, not ours, especially in light of Deut. 24:16, which says children shall not be punished for the sins of their fathers.

4- It makes God look so helpless and blood thirsty because He could not forgive Adam & Eve and required the torture humiliation of himself to forgive them ??!! in other words He killed himself to please himself!

5- the Bible is full of contradictions, scientific and historical mistakes which proves it is man made

6- If you must accept Jesus as your Savior in order to be saved (John 14:6), what about the billions of beings that die as fetuses, infants, and mentally deficient, etc.? For them to accept Jesus would be impossible. So they are condemned to hell because of conditions over which they had no control. Deut. 32:4 says God is just, but where is the justice?
  1. If God had created Adam and Eve to stay in Heavens, was He unable to protect them from Satan? Did He warn them against obeying Satan by telling them the consequences if they did?
    The fact is: When God created Adam & Eve, HE put them in Paradise & warned them against obeying Satan, & told them that if they did obey him, they will be kicked out of Paradise.
We know the rest of the story. Of course it was Gods plan all along to have Adam & Eve live here on earth, but He made them go through that experience with Satan as a practical lesson for all of us so that we know what happens to us if we disobey God & obey Satan, unless you think God planned for them to stay in Paradise forever but was unable to protect them from Satan.

8- salvation either wipes out all sins, or it does not.
If the first case is true, then it leads to what we say that Christianity encourages people to do whatever they please.

If the second case is the fact, then there is no need to what Jesus PBUH had gone through.
  1. Christians worship more than one God, ie Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Christians say that it is only one God, however even their most knowledgeable priests cannot completely explain the trinity.
  2. Christians disregard the laws of the Old Testament, and have made it legal for themselves to do sinful acts such as eating pork, drinking alcohol, and not circumcising their sons.
  3. Christians depict images of holy figures such as Jesus, Mary, saints, and other prophets and use those images to direct their worship. I regard this as idolatry, and also as disregarding the second of the ten commandments:
“You shall have no other gods besides Me…Do not make a sculpted image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above…”
  1. Most Christians insult other religions/religious leaders such as Muslims. This tells me that they have very little tolerance and believe that they have a monopoly on truth; therefore they are unwilling to consider any other religions’ beliefs.
  2. Most of the Christians practices in Church and in their homes were invented after the time of Jesus. Almost everything Christians due whether it is standing in church singing songs to hanging crosses on their necks is an innovation.
so i am proud to be Muslim cuz its the unique true God’s religion.
peace…
 
1- Christianity is man-made religion. it contradicts pure monotheism which all previous prophets taught
Please, could you elaborate …?
2- It is vague when it speaks of a man being God at the same time , and being the son of himself?!
It is not vague. Not so at all! “The unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father’s heart. He has revealed God to us.”—John1:18. You can think of him as a “son” in many manners … John 1:1 reveals that Christ is the very Word of God: That is, the full revelation of Yahweh’s very character and nature! So, truthfully, we might also dub the Trinity as Father, Word, and Spirit. The Word is the means by which the Father reveals himself to us, and this by his Spirit. What’s more, though we believe in the intimate Father-Son relationship Yeshua shares with God, the phrase “a son of God” denoted in the ancient times a righteous, holy person, one near to God. Yeshua is quite appropriately called “THE Son of God” for a great many reasons, these just a couple. And I will admit now, I do not understand the mystery that is our God! Yet still I know—and believe.
3- it accuses me of being guilty of an alleged sin which I have nothing to do with… Why are we being punished for Adam’s sin? After all, he ate the forbidden fruit, we didn’t. It’s his problem, not ours, especially in light of Deut. 24:16, which says children shall not be punished for the sins of their fathers.
Because of the inherited INCLINATION to sin, we commit our own treasons … We are responsible for these, not so much for Adam and Eve’s personal sin. Furthermore, check out Exodus 34:6-7, in which, The Lord says, “I lay the sins of the parents upon their children and grandchildren.”
4- It makes God look so helpless and blood thirsty because He could not forgive Adam & Eve and required the torture humiliation of himself to forgive them ??!! in other words He killed himself to please himself!
God cannot maintain his just nature if he forgives sin without a price. He has the power to, mind you, but then he is not truly just! For this reason he sacrificed himself, the Only Perfect Sacrifice, and died in our stead. Would your loving Allah not do the same to demonstrate his faithfulness and care?
5- the Bible is full of contradictions, scientific and historical mistakes which proves it is man made
Elaborate. As of yet, no cosmological, archeological, scientific, or spiritual fallacies have served to discredit the Bible—though the Apocrypha is heavily scrutinized for its numerous geographical errors. (I am not Catholic, mind you).
6- If you must accept Jesus as your Savior in order to be saved (John 14:6), what about the billions of beings that die as fetuses, infants, and mentally deficient, etc.?
If they are *incapable, *why would God condemn them? My God is gracious! In so far as his grace reigns there will be justice, and I am assured knowing his judgement is just, his grace, enough to satisfy these individuals whose destiny we so often question.
  1. If God had created Adam and Eve to stay in Heavens, was He unable to protect them from Satan?
I don’t fully understand the rest of the question …? Who says God created Adam and Eve to live with him forever in Heaven, necessarily? Clearly he did want to enjoy their eternal fellowship one way or another, but he certainly put them on earth for a reason. Moslems, like yourself, and Christians, like myself, should agree here that, as the Scriptures state, Man was made that he might “reign” or have “dominion,” and as the Qur’an attests likewise to, to be God’s vice-regents on earth.
 
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