Why I don't get the Orthodox

[jomaii]

I think I know what you are talking about, but it is only common to the older generations. I hardly see younger generation Filipino Catholics doing it.

well if you are in the other country but here in the Philippines many young “people” doing it because we believe that whenever we will go god is with us all the time.

 

[jomaii]

Here’s two more: I remember the first time I sneezed in front of my wife (then fiance), and she said “susmarsep.” I asked her, “Is that a Filipino blessing?” She said, "Oh, no. That’s English. That’s “Jesus, Mary, Joseph.”

And you should hear a group of Filipinos pray the Rosary. It’s a race! As you might know, when done communally, the Rosary is sometimes done in a responsorial manner, where half a prayer is said by a leader, and the rest of the prayer is done by the rest. My wife’s family prays the Rosary ALL the time whenever there’s time. I once heard my wife’s family doing the Rosary, and I could swear that sometimes, even before the leader could get in five words of the start of the prayer edgewise, the rest would already start in on the response. A few times, I noticed that a respondent would actually finish the response before the leader finished the first part of the prayer.

A long time ago, I used to poke fun at my wife about it - when we did the Rosary together, I would deliberately start in on the response just as she was beginning one of the prayers (hey! they took away the “devil” smiley). I would start cracking up, and she’d urge me to get serious. Or when she asked me to do the Rosary, I’d respond, "Oh, you mean “the Race-ary.” Ahhhh! Good times. I think she talked to her family about it, because in the past two years, I haven’t heard her family do a “Race-ary” at all, only the Rosary.

I hope our Filipino brethren don’t take this as an insult. If so, please forgive me.

Blessings,
Marduk

actually if ur judging a person or a “Filipino” dont take the judgment as "whole"if u know what i mean.not all the filipinos are doing the race-ary?is that what u called that?well i have an advice to you if your wife do that “RACE-ARY” AGAIN!!!dont say to her to get serious said to her do it by heart not by mouth ok?nd also say to her rosary is not a competition its a prayer so take it solemnly nd peacefully,not to aggressive. actually its like an insult to me when u said those word esp. the "race-ary"not ALL filipinos doing that.

 

[jomaii]

Here’s two more: I remember the first time I sneezed in front of my wife (then fiance), and she said “susmarsep.” I asked her, “Is that a Filipino blessing?” She said, "Oh, no. That’s English. That’s “Jesus, Mary, Joseph.”

And you should hear a group of Filipinos pray the Rosary. It’s a race! As you might know, when done communally, the Rosary is sometimes done in a responsorial manner, where half a prayer is said by a leader, and the rest of the prayer is done by the rest. My wife’s family prays the Rosary ALL the time whenever there’s time. I once heard my wife’s family doing the Rosary, and I could swear that sometimes, even before the leader could get in five words of the start of the prayer edgewise, the rest would already start in on the response. A few times, I noticed that a respondent would actually finish the response before the leader finished the first part of the prayer.

A long time ago, I used to poke fun at my wife about it - when we did the Rosary together, I would deliberately start in on the response just as she was beginning one of the prayers (hey! they took away the “devil” smiley). I would start cracking up, and she’d urge me to get serious. Or when she asked me to do the Rosary, I’d respond, "Oh, you mean “the Race-ary.” Ahhhh! Good times. I think she talked to her family about it, because in the past two years, I haven’t heard her family do a “Race-ary” at all, only the Rosary.

I hope our Filipino brethren don’t take this as an insult. If so, please forgive me.

Blessings,
Marduk

and its not susmarsep it hesusmariajoseph hesus(jesus)maria(mary) that theme or phrase we adopt it on states if im not mistaken somewhere in usa.

 

[jomaii]

well if you are in the other country but here in the Philippines many young “people” doing it because we believe that whenever we will go god is with us all the time.

and ofcourse wherever

 

[mardukm]

Dear VARC,

The OO accept the Tome of Leo? That’s news to me. Everything I have read, suggest they still view Leo as a heretic and that they view the Tome as too ambigious for an orthodox statement of faith at best and heresy at worst.

Here, as earlier in the decree, the Tome of Leo is expressly affirmed. The decree actually calls the Tome “the pillar of the right faith.” You can perhaps understand that all this is rather difficult for us to accept. For us Leo is still a heretic. It may be possible for us to refrain from condemning him by name, in the interests of restoring communion between us. But we cannot in good conscience accept the Tome of Leo as “the pillar of the right faith” or accept a council which made such a declaration. The council approves explicitly what I clearly regard as heresy in the Tome of Leo: “Each form does in communion with the other what pertains properly to it, the Word, namely doing that which pertains to the Word, and the flesh that which pertains to the flesh.” If one rightly understands the hypostatic union, it is not possible to say that the flesh does something on its own, even if it is said to be in union with the Word. The flesh does not have its own hypostasis. It is the hypostasis of the Word which acts through the flesh. It is the same hypostasis of the Word which does the actions of the Word and of his own flesh. The argument of the horos [dogmatic definition] in this Sixth Council is basically unacceptable to us Metropolitan Paulos Mar Gregorios

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Sorry I missed this. The highlighted portion above is the key to the whole matter. HE Mar Gregorios interprets Pope St. Leo’s words to mean that “the flesh does something on its own.” But I don’t think any Chalcedonian will believe that is the proper interpretation of the Pope’s words.

Perhaps my EO and Catholic brethren can validate or correct my understanding.

Blessings

 

[kristine105]

I think I know what you are talking about, but it is only common to the older generations. I hardly see younger generation Filipino Catholics doing it.

I’m sorry ferdie, but as you can see, if you travel here in the Philippines, you can see yooung people doing the sign of the cross, when I was an infant, my mom used to teach the sign of the cross like manipulating my hand and do the act.

God bless!

 

[kristine105]

Here’s two more: I remember the first time I sneezed in front of my wife (then fiance), and she said “susmarsep.” I asked her, “Is that a Filipino blessing?” She said, "Oh, no. That’s English. That’s “Jesus, Mary, Joseph.”

And you should hear a group of Filipinos pray the Rosary. It’s a race! As you might know, when done communally, the Rosary is sometimes done in a responsorial manner, where half a prayer is said by a leader, and the rest of the prayer is done by the rest. My wife’s family prays the Rosary ALL the time whenever there’s time. I once heard my wife’s family doing the Rosary, and I could swear that sometimes, even before the leader could get in five words of the start of the prayer edgewise, the rest would already start in on the response. A few times, I noticed that a respondent would actually finish the response before the leader finished the first part of the prayer.

A long time ago, I used to poke fun at my wife about it - when we did the Rosary together, I would deliberately start in on the response just as she was beginning one of the prayers (hey! they took away the “devil” smiley). I would start cracking up, and she’d urge me to get serious. Or when she asked me to do the Rosary, I’d respond, "Oh, you mean “the Race-ary.” Ahhhh! Good times. I think she talked to her family about it, because in the past two years, I haven’t heard her family do a “Race-ary” at all, only the Rosary.

I hope our Filipino brethren don’t take this as an insult. If so, please forgive me.

Blessings,
Marduk

Good day!

I thank you for your criticism and I forgive you of what you’ve said but the wrong thing is the expression, “susmaryosep.” As I know, it is an adaptation from the western countries, either Spain or U.S of A. And not all Filipinos are doing that. As for the word, “race-ary,” let me clear you that thing, it is to get the attention of the persons who are praying. And oh, you have already disrespected the rosary for you’ve already cracked up of it, and your wife should have said also to pray solemnly. You are praying and you are not making a comedy film.

God bless!

 

[Hesychios]

To all my EO brothers…on what basis do you accept Chacedon? The OO appeal to the same Tradition as the EO to reject said council…

I should state that as an Anglican I accept Chalcedon as an orthodox council but I do not categorize the Copts as heretics because I do not elevate the Tome of Leo as a binding dogma.

If you don’t mind, on what basis do you yourself accept Chalcedon, simply because you are Anglican, or… ?

I could go either way really. I accept it because that is what is traditionally taught in the West. But I am not willing to go to the mat over it. More of an opinion that a dogma to me. And you…?

I must admit that my position is very similar to yours.

I accept the Council of Chalcedon because my bishop does. He undoubtedly does because his predecessors did.

It is beyond me to pass judgment on either party in that dispute. It did not have much impact on my discernment, Had circumstances been just slightly different I might have approached a non-Chalcedonian priest for instruction and never even considered Chalcedon. Some of these things are left to chance, we are not well informed until after we make a commitment and begin our catechesis.

I have stated more than once in various places that I admire the non-Chalcedonians for staking out their position and sticking to it. If they believe they are correct, I would expect nothing less. I am saddened that politics may have distorted the positions of either, or both sides in the dispute, and that it may have prevented some of these great men from reasoning with one another in charity.