Why I'm not a believer in God

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Yes, but…is there a **threat of hell **when someone is disobedient or not?
That’s the crux.
Well, no actually. It is a “perceived threat,” when, in fact, it has more the nature of a warning.

I guess you could call it a “threat” of getting into an accident or getting arrested by the police, when parents warn their children to follow the rules of driving an automobile or not drinking alcohol and driving.

It becomes perceived as a “threat” only when a person doesn’t believe the consequences naturally follow as a consequence of abusing the natural or supernatural moral order.
 
While I would agree that atheists are far more likely to see nothing wrong with single adults engaging in pre-marital sex, I don’t think it’s accurate to say that’s a reason why some atheists aren’t believers in a god.

Atheists don’t choose not be Jewish because they want a cheeseburger 😃 Unlike Jews, Atheists don’t see anything wrong with mixing meat and dairy, but it’s not a deciding factor in determining if there is or isn’t a higher being.
To be fair I’m a Jew who loves hamburgers 😃
 
So…God “warns” people they could go to hell?

Like a nice, friendly reminder?

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Well, he is the “good cop.” Then there is the other guy.

You’re the one who had to go all “simplistic” by bringing up the “threat” thingie.
 
So, no, I don’t think many de facto atheists are going to come right out and admit that the reason they don’t care two hoots about God (or why they reject Him outright), is because of something that might be deemed a moral failure.
And now the Cultural Curveball…

Mr. Carson - i am from India - practically a 4th or 5th generation atheist and comes from a long line of scientists/educators courtesy of the British Raj and due to being a member of a high caste.

Your religion, and Christianity in general, for all intents and purposes, a minority one from where i come from - Hinduism(s) and Islam being the predominate ones.

That being said, i’m not unfamiliar with the history of Christianity given that I have many friends/co-workers in the States who are - and those who like to speak about their faith vocally - so i’m aware of things like Sola Scriptura, Aquinas vs. Palamas etc.

But what to emphasize something to you - the characterizations you’ve made about being an atheist probably only fit (if at all) those who are coming out of the West.

Cause from my perspective… none of that really characterizes any of the atheists i know in South Asia or East Asia.

It seems at least in the West, those who self-identify as Atheists get grouped by those with religious commitments into what should really be considered a Subset of atheists - the so-called “New” Atheism.

And that group…at times seems to have some sort of i would say…Emotional Baggage… regarding their individual relationship with Christianity/Judaism/Islam et al probably because they actively Rejected those religions.
 
And now the Cultural Curveball…

Mr. Carson - i am from India - practically a 4th or 5th generation atheist and comes from a long line of scientists/educators courtesy of the British Raj and due to being a member of a high caste.

Your religion, and Christianity in general, for all intents and purposes, a minority one from where i come from - Hinduism(s) and Islam being the predominate ones.

That being said, i’m not unfamiliar with the history of Christianity given that I have many friends/co-workers in the States who are - and those who like to speak about their faith vocally - so i’m aware of things like Sola Scriptura, Aquinas vs. Palamas etc.

But what to emphasize something to you - the characterizations you’ve made about being an atheist probably only fit (if at all) those who are coming out of the West.

Cause from my perspective… none of that really characterizes any of the atheists i know in South Asia or East Asia.

It seems at least in the West, those who self-identify as Atheists get grouped by those with religious commitments into what should really be considered a Subset of atheists - the so-called “New” Atheism.

And that group…at times seems to have some sort of i would say…Emotional Baggage… regarding their individual relationship with Christianity/Judaism/Islam et al probably because they actively Rejected those religions.
What differences do you see between western atheists and eastern atheists? 🤷
 
They carry a different brand of emotional baggage?
If we were having this conversation say…50 years back, I could easily define atheism as a thought pattern that simply denied the belief in the existence of a deity or deities.

And that would be that.

The social usage of the word, not the dictionary definition mind you, has altered itself immensely since the whole Creationism/Evolutionism debate in the mid-90s when certain scientists felt a fierce need to respond to the encroachment of a religious viewpoint onto their field of study.

Looking back at those …exchanges, much of it was focused on arguments regarding the interpretation of data and processes…and calling the other person an idiot when they disagreed with you. 😛

But you really couldn’t call atheism a “social movement” just quite yet.

It wasn’t until 9/11 coupled with Richard Dawkins rather fiery diatribe which pushed the “New Atheist” ball rolling down the hill.

Prior to both - the sentiment that circulated amongst Western humanist/secularist organizations tended to look at religion as well… a minor issue. You can date this all the back to the 50s to political philosophies on the Left and the Right such as the Stalinist version of Communism or Ayn Rand’s “Objectivism.” Religion was treated as something the Masses needed to comfort themselves with at night. It was also believed that it would be something that mankind would eventual grow out of…

In other words - it wasn’t really taken that seriously.

9/11 changed the dynamic (and the conversation) - because the image presented by Al-Qaeda and the wider phenomenon of Islamic Terrorism in general changed the internal picture of religion instead of being as a fancy or a tale held onto by those who neeeded the security of it…to…well… a literal barbarian at the gates.

Dawkins’ little book (which didn’t really advance any new sort of argument and considered, at least within in the boundaries of academia, to be little better than a diatribe) also gave an undercurrent of atheists in the Western world a kind of voice.

A very…angry…voice. 😛

Its understandable in the sense that many who flocked to the New Atheist banner tended to be people who, whether figuratively or literally, felt oppressed by the environment they lived in regarding the expression of their belief.

Ie: Being an atheist in New York or Los Angeles wouldn’t get you much of a reaction. There’s no disincentive to “come out” as it were.

Being an atheist in a rural town in the Bible Belt, or in a homogenous ethnic community were a particular sort of religion happens to overlap strongly with ethnic identity… well there are rather massive disincentives.

Atheism married to a narrative of Oppression = A Strong Undercurrent of Anti-Theism + Assertive Excalamation of the superiority of Enlightenment values (a particular brand of Liberalism…)

The…strident tone of the New Atheism has continued to ramp up as time has gone on…althought their target has changed. Refuting Islam has become more of a priority for them than any other religion at this point.

We also have started to see people essentially “exiting” the movement which they were once enthusiastic participants of - case in point with Neil deGrasse-Tyson

youtube.com/watch?v=CzSMC5rWvos

So how does atheism in South and East Asia play out differently?

Its a matter of focus.

For the most popularized version of Atheism in the West - religion has become an existential threat. What did the late commentator Christopher Hitchens once say - “I’m a single issue voter” in his defense of going along with the Bush policy for Iraq.

Most of the atheists i’ve met in Japan, India, et al. are much more focused on a traditional liberal agenda which holds a much greater focus on Economics and distribution of wealth as being a source of societal disruption rather than the metaphysical ideas in your head.

We lack the “Christian bogeyman” so to speak - because the social ramifications are much lower for exiting Hinduism, or Jainism, or Daoism. To a certian degree… it just doesn’t matter. The stigma that the New Atheists complain about just doesn’t exist.

While we lack a “Christian bogeyman” to rebel against, we do have an Islamic one…precisely because there ARE heavy ramificaitons in places like Pakistan, Bangledesh, Indonesia, and sadly even part of India when one attempts to publicly assert their non-believing identity.
 
If we were having this conversation say…50 years back, I could easily define atheism as a thought pattern that simply denied the belief in the existence of a deity or deities…
I love your thoughtful comment - the only comment Is could add is that we’ve seen angry atheism before, just in other parts of the world. In that the Socialism of Russian, Chinese, Cambodian and German make have been extremely hostile to religion and religious people.

Thanks for adding to our understanding.
 
Of course there are people who lose their faith through some great tragedy; some perhaps who study all the arguments and reach some rational decision; but I wonder whether many don’t just experience what I did, at about 14, realising in short order that “I don’t believe all this stuff — it’s just too unlikely.”

I soon discovered arguments about the problem of pain or the problem of Hell which I thought bolstered my position — but that was later. And I grant that 14 is a suspicious age, but I really don’t think it was the desire for premarital sex. In fact it was so long ago I’m not even sure sex had been invented. Of course there will be predispositions that lead one in the direction of belief or unbelief, but the simple truth is that I came to unbelief because … because I did not believe. I’m not sure where that goes on the Carson Diagram.
 
It seems like you may have a misstep in the Prezi. Why is Atheism a separate category?
Atheism is not a reason to not believe in God it is more people who don’t believe. Also why is No Evidence in quotes where the other categories are not? I can understand if you don’t actually think there is plenty of evidence atheists, like me, believe there is no evidence and in fact that is what led me to become an atheist. Again from personal experience while I have not met many other atheists of the ones I have and the ones I know of as public figures most cite lack of evidence for their non-belief not some other reason such as not wanting to give something up or not wanting to follow rules. In fact if someone believed in God and didn’t want to follow the rules then they would not be an atheist but a theist who didn’t like God and only someone who believed in God would worry about following his rules anyway. I’m also curious who your target audience is for this, are you going to be showing this as a presentation to a church or to non-believers or just making this to have a handy reference?(Sorry if you said that somewhere in the post before I tried to look through the other comments and I didn’t see your reason for this but I could have missed it).
 
It seems like you may have a misstep in the Prezi. Why is Atheism a separate category?**
Atheism is not a reason to not believe in God**
Admittedly I haven’t looked at the Prezi that was linked in the OP, but I agree with this statement. Likewise, I wouldn’t say “I believe in God because of Theism.”
 
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