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demetrios1973
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Islam is a plague. It is terror disguised as a “religion of peace”. If something is not done soon, Europe will be dominated by “peace-loving” Muslims.
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MrS
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You can make your point, and establish your position… perhaps without so “direct” a comment. Mods tend to cringe at such directness… causing them to twitch and hit the suspend button.
However, if you include factual links… then you might get the call from the ref in your favor.
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TobyLue
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This is the thing that I see wrong with Muslims. The US attacked Iraq to get rid of a tyrant, (and no, it was not for the oil) attacked Afghanistan in attempts to capture a terrorist and got rid of the leaders that were oppressing the populace and immediately the Muslims go up in arms that it is Islam that is being attacked. The US made efforts to get rid of another terrorist in Libya, but Muslims take it as an attack against Islam. If the Muslims are so peace loving, they would cheer, rejoice and help get rid of terrorists. Do they? No, they call for jihad against the West. These men claimed to be speaking for Islam, but I saw no efforts from Muslim Clerics to distance themselves from these terrorists. When we see these Jihads like this one dated 2/23/98 to kill Americans, both civilian and military, do Muslim leaders ,who preach peace, immediately demand that these be withdrawn? How about this one dated 1/7/2000, have Muslim holy men come out and demand that those men, who in the name if Islam, are calling for a jihad against Christians cease these acts? Have you seen or read anywhere that a Catholic Bishop, Orthodox Patriarch, Evangelical leader or Jewish Rabbi call upon all Christians/Jews to take up arms and demand death to Muslims? Have you seen thousands of Christians in Italy, Mexico, Brazil, US or other countries form mass protest and cry out “Jesus is Great, death to all Muslims”? Did anybody see Christians forming mass demonstrations and calling for the death of Muslims when a group of them desecrated the Church of the Nativity about four years ago? Did any peace loving Muslim Cleric call on all Muslims to demand that these people be tried for desecrating Christian sites since Muslims claim that all religions should be respected? Christians pray for these men and call on God to forgive them. Jesus said as He was being put to death “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do”. If Muslims believe in Jesus, why do they not take heed to these words? Did Muhammad ever utter such words?
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srp643
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I agree with the need for distinction but your problem is that I have yet to see a meaningful number of Muslim elders standing up to condemn the hateful acts of your brethren. They are in the BEST position to make a difference in this regard but for unknown reasons choose not to. Where are these people? Why the deafening silence? This tells me there is effectively no real leadership in your religion. All are afraid to stand up to “some people” as you say.
You also mention Muslims believe in the virginity of Mary. This is a good start. But I’m curious, exactly who do you believe fathered Jesus if not the Holy Spirit?
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alfredo123
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I think that Muslims are right to be offended by disrespect to the founder of their religion. I recall how Catholics were (or should have been) offended when there was an art show depicting Mary, the Mother of God, in a coarse and indecent manner. I think it shows also, how strongly Muslims hold to their beliefs, in contrast to some Westerners who from all indications really don’t beleive in anything except their own enjoyments and pleasures.
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demetrios1973
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I could care less about the “Mods”. I refuse to play the PC game when it comes to Islam.
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srp643
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PPatience - let me try to help you as Christ helps us. You are clearly offended by this event and rightfully so. In Catholicism, we believe Christ told his disciples that Christians would be persecuted, insulted and all manner of evil spoken against them on His account. He then went on to say when this happens, REJOICE AND BE GLAD, FOR GREAT WILL BE YOUR REWARD IN HEAVEN. So there is a message of “rise above” when these events occur. There is no element of bitterness or hatred and no call for revenge. Just the opposite, we should throw parties and celebrate. Not sure if there is something analogous in Islam but you would be best served to contemplate this message from Christ to deal with your pain. Forgive, forget, move on my friend. Otherwise, you are enslaving yourself and empowering your faceless captors.
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srp643
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MrS - i have enjoyed your posts. I have heard about this killing instruction in the Koran but can you point me to it? If it is true, then ostensibly efforts at some level of reconciliation are essentially pointless. I have a tough time believing that a major religion has that type of instruction, but I have a bad feeling you are totally accurate.
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brotherhrolf
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Whoah! Wait a minute! Any student of history would be able to contradict you. This is not funny even in the remotest sense of it! Explain to me, please how a Christian Egypt and Tunisia - all the north coast of Africa and Spain were a) conquered and b)forced to convert! This is history! Muslims did destroy churches and convert them into mosques! Haghia Sophia is now a mosque! Let’s have a little intellectual honesty here. Sheesh!
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MrS
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Actually, what I have found most consistent is that:
- Muslims will always reply “…we are forbidden to kill the innocent”
- A non-believer (or infidel if you will) is not innocent. However, I have yet to see a muslim post/admitt this statement… or deny it!!
- I have asked outright for any refutation of my statements. I had never been told I was wrong.
- As for where it is found… I will have to research… although there are so many here who could do it so much faster… hint hint
- I too, have the fear that my understanding is correct… fatally so.
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Cyber_Knight
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I was just making my point
They see your actions not what you believe
wont anger Muslims? isnt it supposed to be wont anger non muslims?
I heard this words over and over again from muslims around me. I do fear of God. I also fear of dehumanization by the muslims toward non muslims.
Fallen on blind eyes… who would that be? not non muslims of course. You keep denying terrorism is not islamic teaching YET we can see very clear the footnote image of PPatience the poster of original thread… a rocket! what is that supposed to mean? Why dont you put a heart image rather than rocket? is it rocket more important to you than a heart?? THINK ABOUT IT!!
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Adonia
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Sorry, Jesus was not a prophet - but GOD HIMSELF come to Earth!
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Faith101
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Peace MrS
THe fact that you are Christian means that you have assigned divinity to Jesus…that makes you a disbeliever. Thats really all it takes from the persepctive of Islam. You, as a Christian, can not be killed simply because you believe in something false.
If that were the case, then how are Muslim men allowed to marry and start families with Christian and Jewish women?
As for the verse you quoted…would you mind quoting the whole verse?
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Faith101
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They have and they still do…whether or not the media here emphazises it doesnt change that.
Because we believe Mary is a virgin, we have no problem saying that Jesus has no father. The rule that says that two persons must be involved for the conception of a baby…is a rule that God does not have to follow.
Who fathered Adam? Who was the mother of Eve? How do old and sterile parents have babies (as happened with some prophets). How can a virgin woman have a baby? Below i’ve pasted a verse from the Quran where Mary asks that question.
**—She (Mary) said: “O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me.” He said: "So (it will be) for Allah creates what He wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: “Be!” and it is. ** (Quran 3:47)
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Faith101
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Christians are forbidden from committing fornication.
Thtas a true statement…but look at many cross-wearing Christians, and you will be like “WHOAH! Wait a minute!..”
I didnt say “Muslims dont do ________” I said Muslims are forbidden from doing ____________
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Faith101
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If i wanted to learn about Christianity, i dont go to a Jew. Likewise, if you want to learn about Islam, why do you go to anti-Islamic sources (as manyyyyyyy posters on this forum do)?
Knowledgble Muslims will not lie to you about their beliefs, becasue they dont have to (and b/c they are not allowed to).
Obviously Christianity has to deny those beliefs. But just because something is against what you grew up believing doesnt make it false. Islam is the fastest growing religion in this country, because people are rejecting what they gerw up with and accepting what they believe to be the truth.
I personally like to emphasize the differences in the foundation of what we believe.
I am NOT saying that just beacuse we believe in Mary and Jesus means that we are just like Christians…far from it.
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Christus_Rex
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Danish embassy torched in Syria
Syrians have set fire to the Danish embassy in Damascus to protest against the publication of newspaper cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, witnesses say.
Gee, it’s really the Danish ambassador’s fault, lets go burn down the embassy
Syrians have set fire to the Danish embassy in Damascus to protest against the publication of newspaper cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, witnesses say.
Gee, it’s really the Danish ambassador’s fault, lets go burn down the embassy
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srp643
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It’s not just the media here my friend. The Muslim elders need to not only get smarter and more vocal about their positions but also confront these people directly and unceasingly. They are the ones who can make the biggest difference away from our prayers.
Adam and Eve were created by God through the working of His Spirit in order to commence the human race. All subsequent births ad infinitum have involved the unification of human cells also through the working of His Spirit. With ONE exception…Jesus Christ. Sterile parents can have children if God wills it, but the miracle still involves their own cells. Yes, when God the Father wills something, He only says “Be” and it is. He works miracles all the time but the birth of Jesus was different.
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brotherhrolf
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The actions of individual Christians (and their sins) while they exist in history are not necessarily historic. The historic actions of an entire religion across the centuries are a matter of record. It is a matter of record that Islam swept out of Saudi Arabia and did everything that I described in my prior posts. If Muslims were forbidden from burning churches, why then were the churches burned and their members forced to convert at the point of a scimtar? Or is it that such practices are OK during a jihad?
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Vintagecoils
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To Faith101,
Well I have to say that I went to the source to learn about Islam. The contridictions could not be explained not even by them. I did not go with a anti Islam notion either.
It was these inconsistencies in making God look foolish and indicisive that made me do a 180 turn away from the notion that islam could possibly be “another path to God”
Muslims do not accept Christianity even though you claim to know it. If you know it then you understand why we don’t accept your prophet or believe system.
Why should a Christian need to know what islam is all about if they know their faith to be the one true faith of the God of creation. I only need to be able to recognized the fact that it is a false teaching about the one God of all creation.
Showing my love for others consist of desiring that which is best for them and teaching them about Christ. Then praying for them.
If I yelled at you to get out of a burning building you would not stand around worring about the tone I used, or whether I first took the time to get to know about you first. I am not concerned with the problems you have but to only save you from utter desstruction.
Lord have mercy Lord have mercy Lord have mercy
Well I have to say that I went to the source to learn about Islam. The contridictions could not be explained not even by them. I did not go with a anti Islam notion either.
- Makes claims on the God of Abraham but rejects and have twisted much from the old testament.
- Claims to accept Jesus as a prophet but rejects his teachings.
- Cannot explain(like Mormom’s) why the new prophet would teach such radically different teachings then all the pfophets before yet coming from the same God. Its as if they are saying God had it wrong and now got it figured out and changed everything.
- Referrence this thread. If indeed muslims accept Jesus as a teacher than Real devout muslims would not be bothered by that which sinners say and do. Jesus ignored such insults during his life. So who are the protesters? non-muslims?
- Some people are staunch atheists. They critizise and insult Christians. Since I don’t accept their thinking it matters not one bit to me what they think. It matters not one bit what a muslim or any other religion thinks. It is only important to me as to how I treat others. As a member of this society I only have to follow the laws refernce other religions and beliefs. I do not have to respect, honor or even acknowledge or learn their beliefs.
- Just because there are alot of people following islam is meaningless. Alot of people don’t. Numbers mean nothing.
The Holy Bible states Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior say’s
“Enter ye in at the strait gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leadth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat; Because strait is the gate and narrow is the way that leadth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, …” Mathew 7:13
It was these inconsistencies in making God look foolish and indicisive that made me do a 180 turn away from the notion that islam could possibly be “another path to God”
Muslims do not accept Christianity even though you claim to know it. If you know it then you understand why we don’t accept your prophet or believe system.
Why should a Christian need to know what islam is all about if they know their faith to be the one true faith of the God of creation. I only need to be able to recognized the fact that it is a false teaching about the one God of all creation.
Showing my love for others consist of desiring that which is best for them and teaching them about Christ. Then praying for them.
If I yelled at you to get out of a burning building you would not stand around worring about the tone I used, or whether I first took the time to get to know about you first. I am not concerned with the problems you have but to only save you from utter desstruction.
Lord have mercy Lord have mercy Lord have mercy
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