Why is abortion still legal?

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Please see in Social Justice “Judicial restraint… Dred Scott…” for what i feel is the reason abortion is still legal…

Name 1-3 reasons why you think it is still legal (and always will be??)

 

[Verisimilitude]

#1. Generations have been taught that the worth of human life is debatable and varies; from evolution to war.
#2. Apathy.
#3. The cries of children in the womb cannot be heard outside the abortion mills.

 

[Cantaloupe]

1. Absitance is socially unacceptable. Instead of teaching them to abstain, they teach our children how to correctly apply a condom. Virgin=freak.
2. Have all the sex you want, get pregnant? Get rid of it!
3. If a teenage girl gets pregnant, she can go to her school nurse and tell the nurse that she is pregnant and that she does not want her parents to know about it, and can ask the nurse to drive her to a clinic and have an abortion…and the parents will never know. BUT if a teenage girl is having cramps from her period and asks the nurse for an asprin or Ibprofen, the nurse must notify the parents first to let them know that their daughter will be taking medicine for her cramps!

And that my friends is 3 of MANY stupid idiotic reasons why abortion is legal.

 

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1. Absitance is socially unacceptable. Instead of teaching them to abstain, they teach our children how to correctly apply a condom.

i think some people think that if a person is abstinent, he/she may “fal” into a sexual thing… and end up pregnant… but from what i have seen, those who are abstinent are waiting for marriage… the only problem is, sometimes people don’t live up to their ideals…

1. Have all the sex you want, get pregnant? Get rid of it!
2. If a teenage girl gets pregnant, she can go to her school nurse and tell the nurse that she is pregnant and that she does not want her parents to know about it, and can ask the nurse to drive her to a clinic and have an abortion…and the parents will never know. BUT if a teenage girl is having cramps from her period and asks the nurse for an asprin or Ibprofen, the nurse must notify the parents first to let them know that their daughter will be taking medicine for her cramps!

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the 3rd one is the weirdest of all… just goes to show how weird laws (the law saying you can kill your child) lead to more weird… behavior, etc…

but i was mostly wanting to know…

How is it that we have (i think) 5 Supreme ct. justices who claim to be Catholic and yet abortion is still legal… (Sorry i didn’t say that… but i mention that aspect in the Social Justice Forum “Judicial restraint…” Thread… Please let me know your comments about it… thanks…

 

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#1. Generations have been taught that the worth of human life is debatable and varies; from evolution to war.
#2. Apathy.
#3. The cries of children in the womb cannot be heard outside the abortion mills.

As stated to Cantaloupe, what i really meant was:

Considering we have 5 (?) supreme court justices who are supposed to be Catholic, why is abortion still legal??

I tend to think they aren’t very Catholic… what worse evil is there in this world, what greater injustice that needs to be undone? and yet they seem to be doing nothing…

I don’t feel like typing it all out again… but in Social Justice forum under “Judicial restraint… Dred Scott…” Thread, i talk about this problem with the supreme court…

i would like to know your comments about it… thanks…

 

[Verisimilitude]

As stated to Cantaloupe, what i really meant was:

Considering we have 5 (?) supreme court justices who are supposed to be Catholic, why is abortion still legal??

Because the courts are standing on its head today and everyone thinks that view is the right view. What I mean is Roe should have never been decided as it created law which is the jurisdiction of Congress. Unlike Roe, Scott was in the jurisdicion because slavery was addressed in the Constitution by giving them only partial personhood. They decided wrongly so Congress passed the 13th and 14th Amendments to clarify which voided Scott.

Congress refuses to correct the error allowing the Judicial branch to have its legitimate authority just like Congress has given the Executive branch its legitimate authority when it comes to declaring war. Article 1 of our Constitution gives the Legislative branch more power than the other two branches and the other two branches are the checks to keep Congress in line. All of the provisions in the Constitution to limit the power of the president and the courts have mostly been discarded.

I tend to think they aren’t very Catholic… what worse evil is there in this world, what greater injustice that needs to be undone? and yet they seem to be doing nothing…

Because even the Catholics on the bench of SCOTUS have come to believe the myth that the 1st Amendment requires individuals to surrender their religion when they work for the government much less restricting the average citizen from voicing poltical opinions with respect to religion.

I don’t feel like typing it all out again… but in Social Justice forum under “Judicial restraint… Dred Scott…” Thread, i talk about this problem with the supreme court…

i would like to know your comments about it… thanks…
It is our collective fault that allows abortion by allowing the federal government to replace God in our lives. We have all the civic tools neccessary to end abortion peacefully today but lack the collective courage to do so.

If the Church speaks out about a pro-death candidate they are threatened with a revocation of tax status for entering the political realm. That is not the intent of the 1st Amendment but that is now the conventional wisdom of it.

Here is how bad it is: A Congressman authored the “Sancitity of Life Act” in 2005 and every year since (and actually before that) which would remove Roe from Federal jurisdiction and declare human life to begin at conception. So far he has about 6 co-sponsors out of over 500 representatives.

Another Congressman authored a very pro-death Act- I forget the name right now, but last I looked it had over 130 co-sponsors.

We are the ones voting these people in. We are at fault.

 

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Here is how bad it is: A Congressman authored the “Sancitity of Life Act” in 2005 and every year since (and actually before that) which would remove Roe from Federal jurisdiction and declare human life to begin at conception. So far he has about 6 co-sponsors out of over 500 representatives.

Another Congressman authored a very pro-death Act- I forget the name right now, but last I looked it had over 130 co-sponsors.

We are the ones voting these people in. We are at fault.

thank you for this much-needed info… I have never even heard of the Sanctity of Life Act… (which kinda tends to rest your case, doesn’t it??)

What can we do to knock some sense into those death-loving representatives??

 

[Michael_Neal]

I personally feel like I am living in a Nazi Germany that won the war and keeps telling themselves that the killing they did was justified in order to increase the quality of life of the citizens.

That is how dreadful I think the situation is.

 

[Verisimilitude]

thank you for this much-needed info… I have never even heard of the Sanctity of Life Act… (which kinda tends to rest your case, doesn’t it??)

What can we do to knock some sense into those death-loving representatives??

Vote them out and no longer choose the lesser of two evils even if evil is the result since the evil already exists is my view.

Here is the Sanctity of Life Act

Here is the other: Freedom of Choice Act

I was wrong on the number of sponsors for the death act. Last year it was almost 70. This year is still early yet.

 

[Cantaloupe]

Ok I know what you mean…those judges are more worried about their image and job than sticking to their faith and standing up and saying “NO” to abortion…now I don’t think it is safe for us to judge their faith life…BUT they show us where they are at in their faith life…They could also be very scared to say no…we just have to pray for them, that they realize how much power they have…that they use that power for good and stop the evil doing of abortion…prayer is all we can do, well of coarse other things, like demonstrating how bad abortion is, join abortion groups, do what we can to show these judges that their faith should be the number one reason to outlaw certain things like abortion among other things…that their faith comes first and then the law, that the faith should mold the choices they decide to make the law…am I rambling…I don’t even know if any of this makes sense…sorry, just blabbing things…hope you don’t mind…anyways…any thougths?

 

[Verisimilitude]

Ok I know what you mean…those judges are more worried about their image and job than sticking to their faith and standing up and saying “NO” to abortion…any thougths?

From famous Senators to those lesser known, Speaker of the House, State Governors…all claiming to be Catholic and all publically and materially supporting abortion by actively voting for it…I will bow to my unknown wisdom of the Church for not acting publically as I might think appropriate but will say as an individual Catholic I will not support such people with my vote because they call themselves Catholic. Infidelity to spouses and God have become the new normal.

What makes the Catholic Justices inaction most troubling is they are free from threat of anything to include image for acting in accordance with their faith driven conscience which is not unreasonable to expect.

Catholics aren’t alone as many many ‘Christians’ are pro-abortion or indifferent to the subject prefering to keep it legal. Many non-religious and many Christians are pro-life so it isn’t faith alone that is at stake but the very notion of ourselves as people. Common sense has been questioned and violated for a long time.

Is human life sacred from conception to natural death a tenet of the faith like accepting the Ressurrection is, or does it fall into ‘it can change’ category like Mass after Vatican II where the priests faces the congregation and Latin is no longer required? Whatever the answer, it only affects Catholics and defines them from the evolving view of what Christianity is becoming which I think might be a good thing.

 

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Vote them out and no longer choose the lesser of two evils even if evil is the result since the evil already exists is my view.

Here is the Sanctity of Life Act

Here is the other: Freedom of Choice Act

I was wrong on the number of sponsors for the death act. Last year it was almost 70. This year is still early yet.

it seems that with voting, it is ALWAYS the lesser of 2 evils… and even the pro-life candidates or even the winners… never DO much to end abortion…

Bush is supposed to be pro-life… and i guess he is… but… well, i am not well-informed on a lot of how the political thing goes in this country… i think i should get my Government book out and read through it again… (read ALL the chapters… not just some)… but probably more important than that, i need to…

Well, what do YOU think i should do to help end abortion?? I inform people (show them pictures of aborted children)… Other than that… I am not sure what is best to do… thank you so much…

 

[marietta]

Cantaloupe writes:

“If a teenage girl gets pregnant, she can go to her school nurse and tell the nurse that she is pregnant and that she does not want her parents to know about it, and can ask the nurse to drive her to a clinic and have an abortion…and the parents will never know.”

I’d be mighty grateful, Cantaloupe, if you would supply the names of the states in which this activity is legal, and what your source is for this information.

Thank you.

marietta

 

[marietta]

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"Well, what do YOU think i should do to help end abortion?? I inform people (show them pictures of aborted children)… Other than that… I am not sure what is best to do… "

If you are old enough, run for office. If you are not old enough, volunteer your time and attention to a local or regional candidate of your choice, or volunteer for your choice for President.

Inquire of your Monsignor what steps are being taken within your parish to provide support to pregnant girls and women who are considering abortion. Investigate that need in your community and mobilize available resources to help these women - not just spiritually, but emotionally and materially.

Check out parenting courses that are offered in your area and help to develop or update parenting information to be disseminated through your church. If more frightened women understood parenting an infant or how to go about collecting child support if they qualify, it would alleviate some of their fear in anticipating raising their child or children.

Get creative. If you don’t do it, who will?

marietta

 

[nice2000]

Please see in Social Justice “Judicial restraint… Dred Scott…” for what i feel is the reason abortion is still legal…

Name 1-3 reasons why you think it is still legal (and always will be??)

*Lack of Consideration"

ignorance

self-Love

The above is quoted by Saint Robert Bellarmine.

I believe him.

 

[Seatuck]

Parental Involvement In Minors Abortions -State

guttmacher.org/statecenter/spibs/spib_PIMA.pdf

 

[marietta]

Seatuck:

I hope the information you have provided from Guttmacher is not in direct response to my earlier post to Cantaloupe. Cantaloupe wrote:

“If a teenage girl gets pregnant, she can go to her school nurse and tell the nurse that she is pregnant and that she does not want her parents to know about it, and can ask the nurse to drive her to a clinic and have an abortion…and the parents will never know.”,

to which I responded:

*"I’d be mighty grateful, Cantaloupe, if you would supply the names of the states in which this activity is legal, and what your source is for this information.

Thank you.

marietta"*

If your response was not related to this part of the thread, my apologies. But if it was, I’d like to make it clear that school personnel are legally prohibited from participating in the activities which Cantaloupe describes. Oh, a panicky girl may ask a school nurse to drive her to an abortion facility, but the nurse cannot do so. A girl may petition the courts for Judicial Bypass, but she must first undergo a court hearing, in which the these criteria must be met:

That the minor is mature and sufficiently well informed about her pregnancy options to make the decision without a parent or legal guardian being involved.
That it is not in the minor’s best interest for the parent or legal guardian to be notified.
That the possibility does exist that notification of a parent or legal guardian could lead to physical, sexual, or emotional abuse of the minor.

Again, I apologize if I misinterpreted your intent in posting the parental involvement information. Just wanted to address Cantaloupe’s misinformation.

Thanks.

marietta

 

[mapleoak]

That the minor is mature and sufficiently well informed about her pregnancy options to make the decision without a parent or legal guardian being involved.

To the exclusion of having an understanding that abortion results in someones death.

That it is not in the minor’s best interest for the parent or legal guardian to be notified.

And there is the problem. Someone other than the minor’s parent or legal guardian determining what is in the minor’s best interest.

That the possibility does exist that notification of a parent or legal guardian could lead to physical, sexual, or emotional abuse of the minor.

Same here.

 

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Put simply abortion is legal because the “powers that be” wnat it legal… I believe Masons & other undesirables basically run this country…