Why is becoming Catholic so hard?!

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But on a more serious note, I do have a question for everybody who’s gone through RCIA already: Did your RCIA class ever bring up the topic of contraception, and if so, was the Church’s teaching that it is a mortal sin to contracept made clear?
Mine did! We got a whole night devoted to the Church’s stance on various life issues, contraception included.

Seeing threads like this make me very thankful to have found the parish I did. The RCIA program I went through was awesome, and runs year-round. 😃
 
Could I join a parish before confirmation or do I need to be Catholic?
Contact the parish office about registering at the parish. In the meantime just attend Mass every Sunday until your RCIA begins, you don’t have to be a member of the parish to attend Mass, it is open for everyone.
 
Mine did! We got a whole night devoted to the Church’s stance on various life issues, contraception included.

Seeing threads like this make me very thankful to have found the parish I did. The RCIA program I went through was awesome, and runs year-round. 😃
Likewise here.

Our RCIA program doesn’t run year round, but it is very faithful to the teachings of the Church, and they do a good job of covering as much as possible during the course of the class – including reproductive ethics and contraception. There is a whole class dedicated to the subject, and it also comes up in other classes where appropriate (e.g., when discussing the Sacrament of Marriage, which also has its own class).

It’s a real shame that so many RCIA programs aren’t as faithful to Catholic teaching. I must have just been very lucky to land where I did. I am very blessed to be in a Parish with faithful, obedient Priests and catechists.

Like the OP, I did a lot of independent study on Catholic teaching before and after RCIA, and I have yet to find anywhere that my RCIA class led me wrong. It was in one-accord with the teaching of the Church, which is exactly what I had hoped and expected it would be ;).

God bless you!
 
Dear suissemissed,

I’ll try to answer some of your questions. Most answers can be found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. You do have one duty in your RCIA sessions: to ask questions about (1) things you don’t hear, and (2) about things you hear which you do not understand. So, please try to give the sessions your best shot.

But on a more serious note, I do have a question for everybody who’s gone through RCIA already: Did your RCIA class ever bring up the topic of contraception, and if so, was the Church’s teaching that it is a mortal sin to contracept made clear? In ALL of my time going to Catholic services (Mass and RCIA included), I have only heard that contraception is intrinsically evil ONCE, and that was from a nationally-famous deacon (Harold Burke-Sivers) who was giving a talk at my parish.Please read the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC), #2370; click on:
scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2370.htm

Anyways, here’s a list of the things I’ve “learned” and didn’t learn in RCIA so far:
God didn’t intentionally kill anyone in the Old Testament - all of those wars and plagues were just the “writer’s perception of the events” - God is too nice to kill or punish anyone (a priest said this) What about the expulsion from the garden of Eden? What about the plagues which forced the Egyptians to release the Jews from bondage? What about the loss of the Kingdoms of Judea and Israel and the dispersion of the Jews? G-d is “just” and “merciful”; I don’t remember “nice”.

Good Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, etc. who are sincere are just fine and will go to Heaven (a deacon AND an RCIA director told us this) This may be presumptuous on their part; refer to CCC, #1257, fourth sentence, to start with.

As long as you’ve confessed your mortal sin and are sorry, you can take Communion first and then go to confession later (same priest as above said this). To use his exact words, “We’re entitled to our good reputation.” Please refer to CCC #1457. second sentence: tough requirement.

I’ve never heard the Early Church Fathers discussed at all (Maybe after all this time I haven’t been going to Catholic parishes… that’s got to be my problem! They are referred to constantly in the CCC, as well as here at CAF; perhaps you haven’t read enough…yet. It does depend on the material used in RCIA sessions for instruction; I used Catholic Answers tracts; they are replete with quotations from the Fathers and Doctors of the Church.

Conditional baptism removes all sin, so I don’t need to to go to Confession before the Easter Vigil and my conditional baptism. (After I pointed out my RCIA director’s error, she changed her mind, but still said I would receive my conditional baptism at the Easter Vigil, in direct violation of the National Statutes of the Catechumenate, which says that it must be celebrated outside of the Vigil.) I only question (1) the must…The Vigil is perfectly appropriate for any Baptism. (2) Confession is REQUIRED before conditional Baptism for anyone over the age of reason.

I’ve never heard any teaching at all on Church history, the canon of the Bible, Ecumenical Councils, the nature of the Trinity, contraception, indulgences, heresies (Nestorianism, Monophysitism, Arianism, etc.), or papal infallibility. The lack of teaching on indulgences and heresy is understandable, especially if you are restricted from asking questions about these subjects (you ARE supposed to participate). The lack of the others elements is sad.

Peace be with you!
 
Anyways, here’s a list of the things I’ve “learned” and didn’t learn in RCIA so far:
God didn’t intentionally kill anyone in the Old Testament - all of those wars and plagues were just the “writer’s perception of the events” - God is too nice to kill or punish anyone (a priest said this) What about the expulsion from the garden of Eden? What about the plagues which forced the Egyptians to release the Jews from bondage? What about the loss of the Kingdoms of Judea and Israel and the dispersion of the Jews? G-d is “just” and “merciful”; I don’t remember “nice”.
Precisely! At the moment my wife and I are unsure if we should continue going to this priest’s parish (he’s the pastor there of our current church). He holds several opinions which are clearly contrary to the teachings of the Church, and he has refused to give us even a general time when we can be confirmed. He practically said that we must work on our marriage first, and then our religion will follow. (For us, our religion GUIDES our marriage! God comes first in our lives). His general lack of interest/liberal leaning in RCIA and Church teaching, his irreverence and liturgical excesses during Mass, and his non-nonchalant attitude toward making us wait an indefinite period of time to receive the graces of the Sacraments, all together make us feel unwelcome and uncomfortable in his parish. What does everyone else think?
As long as you’ve confessed your mortal sin and are sorry, you can take Communion first and then go to confession later (same priest as above said this). To use his exact words, “We’re entitled to our good reputation.” Please refer to CCC #1457. second sentence: tough requirement.
Again, precisely! Pretty much only (a) someone on their death bed and unable to see a priest, or (b) a priest who must celebrate Mass and absolutely can’t confess beforehand would qualify for this. Not “our good reputation” :rolleyes:
Conditional baptism removes all sin, so I don’t need to to go to Confession before the Easter Vigil and my conditional baptism. (After I pointed out my RCIA director’s error, she changed her mind, but still said I would receive my conditional baptism at the Easter Vigil, in direct violation of the National Statutes of the Catechumenate, which says that it must be celebrated outside of the Vigil.) I only question (1) the must…The Vigil is perfectly appropriate for any Baptism. (2) Confession is REQUIRED before conditional Baptism for anyone over the age of reason.
I totally agree with #2 (which is why I insisted so strongly on it), and as for #1, the National Statutes of the Catechumenate, which govern RCIA in the US where I live, state the following: “If conditional baptism… seems necessary, this must be celebrated privately rather than at a public liturgical assembly of the community and with only those limited rites which the diocesan bishop determines. The reception into full communion should take place later at the Sunday Eucharist of the community.” (NSC 37, emphasis mine)."
I’ve never heard any teaching at all on Church history, the canon of the Bible, Ecumenical Councils, the nature of the Trinity, contraception, indulgences, heresies (Nestorianism, Monophysitism, Arianism, etc.), or papal infallibility. The lack of teaching on indulgences and heresy is understandable, especially if you are restricted from asking questions about these subjects (you ARE supposed to participate). The lack of the others elements is sad.
No, I don’t think any questions were restricted… it’s just that the kind of questions I’d ask are the ones I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t be able to answer. For instance: (A) What kind of evidence from the early centuries of the Church do we have for the Assumption? (there was a feast for it in the 400’s, I think) Or (B) does my instructor think that Mary’s Immaculate Conception affected her body (so that it was like Adam and Eve’s while they were in Original Innocence, free from disease and such…), or just solely the state of separation from God we have at birth? (C) Here’s one more: If we’re persisting in mortal sin when we’re baptized, that clearly means the baptism won’t absolve that sin (though the baptism itself is still valid) until we repent. But in this case, do we have to go to Confession to repent of the sin, or will mere private repentance do? Mortal sins after baptism must be confessed, sins before baptism are taken away by the baptism, but what about unrepented mortal sin during baptism? 🙂 See, I just sensed that my inquiries would have been out of place at my RCIA classes… kind of like college-level questions in elementary school 😛
Peace be with you!
And with you as well! 🙂
 
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You are right! In your area (you haven’t specified, I think), is there another parish where you can find a faithful priest who will discuss particulars with you? One who can become your spiritual advisor and answer these deeper questions? For example, do you have a monastery nearby (within a reasonable distance) where you can ask for assistance?

To answer your last question: no, if you have no repentance for a previous mortal sin, you will NOT receive sanctifying grace at Baptism, although the Baptism will be valid. You will still have to repent of this sin and go to Confession before you receive the Eucharist, or you will profane the Body and Blood of Christ that you receive. Repentence for sins, mortal and venial, is a mandatory part of both Baptism (after the age of reason) and Confession, for absolution and the renewal of sanctifying grace in your soul.

Please look for a welcoming home parish. Pray to St. Paul for his intercession with our Lord to find one.

G-d bless you!
 
OP, I scrolled through your thread. At first I was going to respond with something sincere but short, like,

“Becoming a Catholic is hard, because BEING a Catholic is hard.” Based on the response from the world, knowing about our faith, etc.

But then I saw many of your points, and I want to encourage you, and let you know I will pray for you.

And, when you and your wife do achieve your goal of full communion, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get involved in the RCIA program at whatever parish you join. You know the old saw, “If you see the problem, it’s up to you to help be the solution!” Others need your zeal and enthusiasm for the Church, think what you could do in a positive way instead of feeling persecuted and excluded!

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JamesTheOlder:
You are right! In your area (you haven’t specified, I think), is there another parish where you can find a faithful priest who will discuss particulars with you? One who can become your spiritual advisor and answer these deeper questions? For example, do you have a monastery nearby (within a reasonable distance) where you can ask for assistance?
We live in the Diocese of St. Petersburg, and there’s over fifty parishes and missions located here, so hopefully we will find a parish somewhere that will treat us as candidates for full communion who actually know about the Faith, rather than assuming we’re ignorant, not bother to check otherwise, and then just automatically lump us in with the catechumens in the RCIA program and make us a wait a year (or worse, indefinitely).
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TheRealJuliane:
OP, I scrolled through your thread. At first I was going to respond with something sincere but short, like,

“Becoming a Catholic is hard, because BEING a Catholic is hard.” Based on the response from the world, knowing about our faith, etc.

But then I saw many of your points, and I want to encourage you, and let you know I will pray for you.

And, when you and your wife do achieve your goal of full communion, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get involved in the RCIA program at whatever parish you join. You know the old saw, “If you see the problem, it’s up to you to help be the solution!” Others need your zeal and enthusiasm for the Church, think what you could do in a positive way instead of feeling persecuted and excluded!

👍
Thank you very muchly for your prayers! 🙂 Yes, definitely, we will be getting involved in some sort of evangelizing ministry! It’s desperately needed in the Catholic Church right now… sure we have missions and other things in 3rd World countries, but what about in countries like the USA, England, etc.? Do we expect the church buildings themselves to evangelize or something? No, we just wait for people to walk in the door, and then throw them into a nearly automatic process with very little tweaking to the real spiritual needs of the individual.
 
I am waiting to start RCIA in September. I was looking forward to it, but this thread is scaring me a little. I live in a small community and we attend an equally small parish. I was baptized Lutheran as a child, and again at age 13 in a fundamentalist church. So I would enter RCIA as a candidate, not catechumate. Also, I attended Catholic high school all four years and thus have had formal teaching of doctrine and Church teachings. I’ve been doing some research on my own, both online and at the library. I do consider myself an intellectual, and plan to ask questions in the class. I have attended Christian schools my whole life, including college, and have always had an interest in studying theology and different religions. After reading this thread, I am apprehensive about starting RCIA. I wonder if the program leaders will accept me and my background, or view me as “too intellectual” or “knowledgeable” to be sincere or ready when the time comes. I knew already that the process takes a while, and believe I have the patience to wait. However, it never occurred to me that even if I go through the process, I still might not be confirmed at the Easter Vigil and receive the Eucharist at that time. So far, everyone at the parish has been more than welcoming. The priest is very nice to me and my husband, and must have noticed that I’m not yet Catholic, as I do not yet feel comfortable to genuflect or make the sign of the cross, etc., let alone the fact that I stay in the pew during Holy Communion. It’s very small, and is the home parish of my in-laws. My husband grew up in this parish and received his first communion. Our son will be baptized there next month at age 3 1/2. It is also the only Catholic Church in this small town. If I have any issues like the ones described by the OP and others, I have no other options. I don’t want to fast-track, as I believe this is not something to be rushed into. However, it just didn’t occur to me that I could be made to wait indefinitely either. Can someone offer me some assurances that this is not the norm of the RCIA experience?
 
Neesy, please don’t let this thread dissuade you from RCIA. I just finished 9 intense months of RCIA study and was accepted into the church at the Easter Vigil. It was without a doubt the best year of my life.

I thought I ‘knew it all’, I thought I was ready and just wanted to bypass RCIA and join up. Boy, was I wrong! The guidance, love, spiritual support and nurturing I received not only from the teacher but the other sponsors and candidates & catechumens was priceless. And it was just me who was treated that way, it was everyone in the class. I know I was lucky- my RCIA teacher is one of the top theologians in the country and had written books on teaching scripture, and was a major contributor to The Catholic Bible, Personal Study Edition.

It makes me really sad to hear that other people have had bad RCIA experiences when my own was so wonderful. 😦
 
Neesy, please don’t let this thread dissuade you from RCIA. I just finished 9 intense months of RCIA study and was accepted into the church at the Easter Vigil. It was without a doubt the best year of my life.

I thought I ‘knew it all’, I thought I was ready and just wanted to bypass RCIA and join up. Boy, was I wrong! The guidance, love, spiritual support and nurturing I received not only from the teacher but the other sponsors and candidates & catechumens was priceless. And it was just me who was treated that way, it was everyone in the class. I know I was lucky- my RCIA teacher is one of the top theologians in the country and had written books on teaching scripture, and was a major contributor to The Catholic Bible, Personal Study Edition.

It makes me really sad to hear that other people have had bad RCIA experiences when my own was so wonderful. 😦
I’m not dissuaded, and determined to move forward. I’m fully committed to conversion. I’ve felt such peace and certainty since arriving at the decision that it never occurred to me that there could be such a thing as a “bad RCIA experience.” Call me naive, I guess. Humans are still imperfect and fallible, even when doing the Lord’s work. Still, I hope to also be lucky . . . although your experience probably isn’t the norm either since your teacher is so renown. 😉 People generally seem so generally happy every time we attend Mass, that I’m sure my worries are unwarranted. I know I don’t know it all yet, which is one of the reasons I was looking forward to RCIA and have already started researching the specifics of the faith. I have a lot to learn before I’m ready for confirmation. I’m hoping it will only take the nine months. :gopray2:

Thank you for the encouragement. 🙂
 
Dear NeesyBeth,

Creole54 has had a good RCIA experience, and you will, too, with your attitude about joining the RCIA group. You have the best start…a small, welcoming parish.

Please continue with your plans and your study; good contributors to the RCIA process are needed and it sounds like you will benefit from, and enjoy, the RCIA experience.

As many people have noted, the “community” experience is one of the hallmarks of the RCIA process. You will enjoy this.

Because you have been baptized, you CAN be “fast-tracked”, but you don’t HAVE to. Take your time, enjoy the experience, and look forward to becoming a future RCIA team member. According to the procedure adopted by your parish, there is every reason to expect your reception into the Church next Easter.

God bless you!
 
I’m sorry this has happened to you 😦 my advice would be… don’t give up! there are even stories of the Saints when they were prevented from doing God’s will for a long time, and that was a test and a trial for them…

I am a convert too, I was baptized Eastern Orthodox and then was Protestant for a while… then I became Catholic, after prayer/study. I also joined a university Catholic group where I felt very welcomed and made many great friends. Maybe it’s different in parishes, however… during this past year, I’ve attended a traditional Latin Mass parish, it’s FSSP. I met friends there and felt very welcomed. One person I met there became Catholic a while ago… at the FSSP parishes, they don’t go through RCIA, they just meet with the priest I think. I think it’s a very welcoming parish and also *very orthodox/reverent/good *for spiritual growth. Do you by any chance live near any FSSP or other Latin Mass parishes that in communion with Rome? They tend to not have RCIA 🙂

I didn’t go through RCIA myself because I was already confirmed Orthodox so I had all the Sacraments… I just needed Confession and Communion, and to make my profession of faith. I met with the priest to discuss the Church’s teachings etc. It was hard for me though because of the transition, feeling like I’m losing some friends, and also - I never managed to get my baptism certificate from the church I was baptized in. So it was kind of complicated, but - in the end it worked out 🙂 don’t give up!! prayers for you… 🙂

God bless!
 
  • God didn’t intentionally kill anyone in the Old Testament - all of those wars and plagues were just the “writer’s perception of the events” - God is too nice to kill or punish anyone (a priest said this)
  • Good Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, etc. who are sincere are just fine and will go to Heaven (a deacon AND an RCIA director told us this)
  • As long as you’ve confessed your mortal sin and are sorry, you can take Communion first and then go to confession later (same priest as above said this). To use his exact words, “We’re entitled to our good reputation.”
  • I’ve never heard the Early Church Fathers discussed at all (Maybe after all this time I haven’t been going to Catholic parishes… that’s got to be my problem! :rolleyes: )
  • Conditional baptism removes all sin, so I don’t need to to go to Confession before the Easter Vigil and my conditional baptism. (After I pointed out my RCIA director’s error, she changed her mind, but still said I would receive my conditional baptism at the Easter Vigil, in direct violation of the National Statutes of the Catechumenate, which says that it must be celebrated outside of the Vigil.)
  • I’ve never heard any teaching at all on Church history, the canon of the Bible, Ecumenical Councils, the nature of the Trinity, contraception, indulgences, heresies (Nestorianism, Monophysitism, Arianism, etc.), or papal infallibility.
😦 that’s unfortunate… it sounds like maybe the parishes you’ve been part of have been more on the liberal side? that’s another good thing about traditional parishes, they definitely teach the Catholic doctrines there… unfortunately we’re still dealing with the crisis in the Church.
 
I I never managed to get my baptism certificate from the church I was baptized in. So it was kind of complicated, but - in the end it worked out 🙂 don’t give up!! prayers for you… 🙂

God bless!
Hi Monica,

If you don’t mind, how was the baptism certificate thing eventually handled?
 
Hi Monica,

If you don’t mind, how was the baptism certificate thing eventually handled?
I never did get it… the priest asked me to find two witnesses to sign a paper saying that I was baptized. I got my parents to do it cause they were both there. I still don’t know the date of my baptism and maybe never will… I do know I was baptized though cause I was around 12-14 years old and I remember it 🙂 I didn’t need a conditional baptism because it was at the Orthodox church so they knew it’s Trinitarian and everything.
 
I first want to start by telling you, I left the RCIA program for similar reasons before I was confirmed. I had also had the problem about joining…I had to wait a full year to join, and once I had, the program was AWFUL! I had been a serious and devout Christian for 3 years (seems short, but I’m young). I lived, breathed and prayed scripture, doctrine, studying, church, Mass, Christian music,…my life was christian oriented. And I began in the program treated as a moron. Although it may have been assuming I knew nothing, I wish they had gotten to know me, or even asked where I came from or why I was seeking the church. Gosh, 5 classes in the program, I wanted to escape so badly!!! It was demeaning to be asked such simple questions as “Who is the Son or God?” or “Do you know what the trinity means?”

For wanting to learn more complex things in the faith, it was painful to sit through, as I’m sure your experience was. I was treated like a child, going through powerpoints and awkward lessons. And the people were sweet, but almost creepily fakely personable. Surel yI am judgeing them, their presence just made me severely uncomfortable. As if the Catholic church is made up of people who are fake, and trying to put on a front or a mask to hide who they actually are. I began to second guess the entire situation. And hence, here I am. Why does the Catholic church have to have only this process. I wish it were more personal, and less rituatlistic, in the sense that it is merely lessons and no communication to the people.

I also find it severely detrimental to my faith to not be able to take part in the Eucharist. Sitting alone in the pews each sunday was truly horrible to me. 2 years of that is far too long. It makes you feel estranged from fellow catholics and is almost depressing, like you cannot take part in God the way everyone else is. Although there are reasons for the way it is done, I feel like the reasoning for it has become a distant reason for it now-adays. It is simply a process now, with rules and regulations, without a sense of heart or checking of passion, it feels only like a procedure you must go through to be good enough.

I’m sorry for your struglle and hope you can find truth in something. I hope you can also fnid a parish suitable for your new family. I wish you the very best in your marriage. May God bless you and help you through this time of sturggle with your wife’s visa situation. I pray that you can both find something comforting in the church to help you on your path in becoming confirmed.
 
Let me say right up front, I understand where you are coming from and sympathize with your agony from all the delay.

All the wait now seems like so little against eternity. The path to Jesus Christ and salvation is not easy, according to Jesus words in Matthew 7:13-14. My wife experienced the delay you mentioned from the time she longed for the Eucharist until she could enter, and finally complete, the nine month program. There are a lot of tricky corners in the precepts, practices and customs of the Church, not to trip you up or exclude folks, but to enable God’s delegates on earth to fulfill His wishes. All I can say is perservere and you will be gald you did.
 
I first want to start by telling you, I left the RCIA program for similar reasons before I was confirmed. I had also had the problem about joining .
Please persevere in your quest. It really is worth the trouble you have experienced.

Please discuss your situation and feelings with the Pastor, or a priest at the parish you attend, or, if you are not comfortable there, at a nearby parish.

God bless you!
 
Reading the posts here makes me a bit nervous. One poster indicated they have been in RCIA for five years…is this typical? That does sound like an awfully long time.

Are RCIA candidates always handled so harshly? Hopefully, that was a unique situation. I haven’t begun classes yet but I have had a very rough background spiritually. I once was very tenacious but I don’t know how I’d respond now, if I was treated like some have posted here.
 
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