Why Is Catholicism Threatened to Your Claim of Being the True Church

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Catholicism professes that it is the true church of Jesus Christ and among a number of reasons for me leaving Catholicism, I found that it lacked characteristics that would show it is not the true church.

The Protestant reformers did what they particularly to me as evidence that it is not the true church. Catholicism I suppose felt how dare anyone would question its claim. Their efforts showed that Catholicism had flaws.

My church’s profession of the apostasy and the need for the church being restored certainly does not make things any better.

Why Catholics are you threatened? Are you willing to see your flaws in light of the Protestants and the LDS Church?
 
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Catholicism professes that it is the true church of Jesus Christ and among a number of reasons for me leaving Catholicism, I found that it lacked characteristics that would show it is not the true church.

The Protestant reformers did what they particularly to me as evidence that it is not the true church. Catholicism I suppose felt how dare anyone would question its claim. Their efforts showed that Catholicism had flaws.

My church’s profession of the apostasy and the need for the church being restored certainly does not make things any better.

Why Catholics are you threatened? Are you willing to see your flaws in light of the Protestants and the LDS Church?
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In another thread, one Catholic poster goes to lengths to acknowledge the errors taking place in Europe during the 1500’s, to his credit. While he does not approve the Reformation, he recognizes why it came about.

Beyond that, I’m not sure that one should expect Catholics to “recognize flaws” in their doctrines. And, of course, I would like to see those who reject the Trinity to recognize that as flawed doctrine. 😉

Jon
 
thecourt said:
Catholicism professes that it is the true church of Jesus Christ and among a number of reasons for me leaving Catholicism, I found that it lacked characteristics that would show it is not the true church.

The Protestant reformers did what they particularly to me as evidence that it is not the true church. Catholicism I suppose felt how dare anyone would question its claim. Their efforts showed that Catholicism had flaws.

My church’s profession of the apostasy and the need for the church being restored certainly does not make things any better.

Why Catholics are you threatened? Are you willing to see your flaws in light of the Protestants and the LDS Church?
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The Catholic church doesn’t feel threatened. However, we are concerned with everyones soul, and false teachings, just like any other church would be.

The Catholic church has aknowledged its flaws, apologized, and is seeking reunification with many that are no longer in communion with the Church.

There are many talks and agreements going on with the Orthodox, Anglican, etc. That doesn’t seem like feeling threatened. It seems more like reunification.
 
thecourt said:
Catholicism professes that it is the true church of Jesus Christ and among a number of reasons for me leaving Catholicism, I found that it lacked characteristics that would show it is not the true church.

The Protestant reformers did what they particularly to me as evidence that it is not the true church. Catholicism I suppose felt how dare anyone would question its claim. Their efforts showed that Catholicism had flaws.

My church’s profession of the apostasy and the need for the church being restored certainly does not make things any better.

Why Catholics are you threatened? Are you willing to see your flaws in light of the Protestants and the LDS Church?
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i dont see how this invalidates the CC from being the True Church. if any one in the Church leaves for one reason or another and make up his own churches, how does this make the CC not the Church Jesus built. i would like someone tell me how the sins of any man stops God from being with His Church until the end of times just like He promised. Has God abandoned His people because one has sinned? i think not. God never abandoned Israel because David commited sins, or Solomon, or the others. Did He? why would anyone today, thinks it different. the ignorant believes in his heart that God follows men. no, we follow God, and not the other way around.

the CC does not make any claims that was not made 2000 years ago. but jelousy from outsiders have tried to destroy the Truth. Truth cannot be destroyed.

O truth, you are present to those who seek your help, and at one and the same time you answer all, though they seek your counsel on different matters. You respond clearly, but not everyone hears clearly. All ask what they wish, but do not always hear the answer they wish. Your best servant is he who is intent not so much on hearing his petition answered, as rather on willing whatever he hears from you.
St Augustine
 
We don’t feel threatened.

With all do respect, you must be confusing Catholics with Mormons.
 
i don’t feel threatened but more of saddened that many Catholics are unfamiliar with their own faith, enough to be lured into another faith just by a few brief “explanations” on some verses
 
thecourt said:
among a number of reasons for me leaving Catholicism, I found that it lacked characteristics that would show it is not the true church.
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Hiyas:)

I really have to question if you ever where Catholic.

Your posts show, you have little understanding of Catholicism.

As always, just my thoughts
 
thecourt said:
The Protestant reformers did what they particularly to me as evidence that it is not the true church. Catholicism I suppose felt how dare anyone would question its claim. Their efforts showed that Catholicism had flaws.

My church’s profession of the apostasy and the need for the church being restored certainly does not make things any better.

Why Catholics are you threatened? Are you willing to see your flaws in light of the Protestants and the LDS Church?
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In this forum, you will have an opportunity to hear from ex-Mormons who are now Catholic.

Will you conclude that Mormonism cannot be true since some have rejected the teachings of the LDS Church?

No?

Then why should you expect me to reject Catholicism simply because some have rejected the teachings of the Catholic Church?

We need to think a little more deeply than that, and one of the biggest loads of nonsense is “the Great Apostasy” as taught by the LDS which scripture shows to be an impossibility.
 
thecourt said:
Catholicism professes that it is the true church of Jesus Christ and among a number of reasons for me leaving Catholicism, I found that it lacked characteristics that would show it is not the true church.

The Protestant reformers did what they particularly to me as evidence that it is not the true church. Catholicism I suppose felt how dare anyone would question its claim. Their efforts showed that Catholicism had flaws.
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It is true, Court, that the Protestant reformers did recognize flaws that they saw, and did what they thought best to attempt to reform them to get back to ‘true’ Christianity. That doesn’t prove that the Catholic church is false, though…if it did, WE would be in some trouble, considering the number of Mormons who split from the CoJCoLDS and formed thier own faiths, from the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (now a firmly Protestant 'Community of Christ) to the STrangites, to the little polygamist cults in Southern Utah.

I’m very grateful to those Protestants, because without them, Joseph Smith wouldn’t have been able to succeed. Those early Protestants were treated rather harshly when the Catholics had as much political power as they had religious power.
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My church’s profession of the apostasy and the need for the church being restored certainly does not make things any better.

Why Catholics are you threatened? Are you willing to see your flaws in light of the Protestants and the LDS Church?
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I don’t think most Catholics ARE ‘threatened,’ Court. Remember, we are seeing here a very small minority of Catholics posting on CAF–and an even smaller group posting on a sub forum specifically designed so that they can atta–er, address, non-Catholic religions. The most vociferous among these are anti-Mormons who have been steeped in incorrect information; true, some of them ARE afraid.

…but I don’t think they are afraid that we are “true.” I think they are afraid that our falsehoods will steal souls away from salvation. At least, I hope that this is the motive behind the misery.

I lose my temper more often than I should…and I always regret it when I do. I wish that my regret stemmed more from guilt for losing my temper and less from …when I do, they win, but nevertheless, I still regret it!
 
dianaiad said:
It is true, Court, that the Protestant reformers did recognize flaws that they saw, and did what they thought best to attempt to reform them to get back to ‘true’ Christianity. That doesn’t prove that the Catholic church is false, though…if it did, WE would be in some trouble, considering the number of Mormons who split from the CoJCoLDS and formed thier own faiths, from the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (now a firmly Protestant 'Community of Christ) to the STrangites, to the little polygamist cults in Southern Utah.

I’m very grateful to those Protestants, because without them, Joseph Smith wouldn’t have been able to succeed. Those early Protestants were treated rather harshly when the Catholics had as much political power as they had religious power.

I don’t think most Catholics ARE ‘threatened,’ Court. Remember, we are seeing here a very small minority of Catholics posting on CAF–and an even smaller group posting on a sub forum specifically designed so that they can atta–er, address, non-Catholic religions. The most vociferous among these are anti-Mormons who have been steeped in incorrect information; true, some of them ARE afraid.

…but I don’t think they are afraid that we are “true.” I think they are afraid that our falsehoods will steal souls away from salvation. At least, I hope that this is the motive behind the misery.

I lose my temper more often than I should…and I always regret it when I do. I wish that my regret stemmed more from guilt for losing my temper and less from …when I do, they win, but nevertheless, I still regret it!
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Dianaiad, thanks so much for a great post. You do a very good job, in my opinion, of expressing how we Catholics feel on the issue while acknowledging your own disagreements. They say the mark of a charitable debater is that when they say “you believe x,” you can recognize x as something you believe. This post lives up to that.👍
 
thecourt said:
Catholicism professes that it is the true church of Jesus Christ and among a number of reasons for me leaving Catholicism, I found that it lacked characteristics that would show it is not the true church.

The Protestant reformers did what they particularly to me as evidence that it is not the true church. Catholicism I suppose felt how dare anyone would question its claim. Their efforts showed that Catholicism had flaws.

My church’s profession of the apostasy and the need for the church being restored certainly does not make things any better.

Why Catholics are you threatened? Are you willing to see your flaws in light of the Protestants and the LDS Church?
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What makes you think Catholics are threatened? There is no error in the Church, just in it’s members. If you go by what people did, then you wouldn’t be Christian at all because you’d see cowardice in Peter denying Christ, and it just goes downhill from there…

The Church is not threatened nor does it have that “how dare you” attitude. However, anyone can perceive these things simply by how they look at the Catholic Church.

Even if you thought you were in the one true church, you have to admit the errors of the church you are in and the “how dare you” attitude which is perceived by others.

No matter which church you believe in, those same hypotheses that you propose can be applied to it.

God Bless,
Snert
 
I personally don’t feel threateneed when others say this because I know what I believe. I am the first to admit that there have been mistakes by people in the Catholic church. But that doesn’t make the church any less the truth. I only get angery when people start attacking the whole church because of what some do and did at the time of the reformation. Also there were faults on both sides during the reformation. But that wasn’t the whole church just like with what is going on now in the church with the scandels and things its not the whole entire church but individual people. I have learned alot of good things from my prostant brothers and sisters as well. Even though I don’t agree with them on everything. I love them all dearly with a christian love like we are called by our Lord to love. As always say proud to be Catholic. Not proud of what certain people have done. There is a big difference there.
 
Randy Carson claims that when some leave the LDS church, that means it is false?

I am worried about those who leave. The church will continue to grow in spite of those who leave it.

Catholicism loses members — does this not bring in question your lack of being the true church?
 
thecourt said:
Randy Carson claims that when some leave the LDS church, that means it is false?

I am worried about those who leave. The church will continue to grow in spite of those who leave it.

Catholicism loses members — does this not bring in question your lack of being the true church?
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Jesus said that the gates of hell will not prevail against His Church.

Where in this statement does it say that the Church will be perfect? On the contrary, this passage means that the Church will be attacked again and again, and yet it will still stand for the gates of hell will not prevail. The fact that the evil one has corrupted church members and even high church officials is all the more proof of the attacks of hell. And yet, for 2000 years the church still stands.

One would think that for all those errors the ‘church’ has made, it would have fallen by now. It should, by the very fact that it’s members have become corrupt, have fallen flat. And it would have if God wasn’t involved. Something man made like that would have fallen like the Roman Empire. Yet the Catholic Church was not man made, it was God-made. and God Himself in the person of Christ promised that it would be here until the end of the age.

Since the Church is more than it’s members - being both God and It’s members - it will survive. If it merely consisted of people, it would have fallen.

So expect more things to happen in the Church. Christ promised us it would happen, and he promised many false prophets would follow to pull those that were not sound in their faith away from the Church. He promised a lot of things that have happened and are happening and no doubt will happen.

Anyway, if it’s not even close the the ‘true church’ then why do you trust a book produced by it?

God Bless,
Snert
 
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Why Catholics are you threatened? Are you willing to see your flaws in light of the Protestants and the LDS Church?
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I don’t know what you are trying to achieve with a thread like this. First you came in with a false premise that Catholics are threatened. How you came to that conclusion most probably reflected your own insecurity. This kind of thread will only inflame and invite similar accusation.

You do yourself a disservice to your church - you make a poor account of yourself and will not do your church any benefit if people start to associate you with it. Frankly, I doubt if you are truly LDS at heart. Some LDS seem to be quite reasonable and fair in their posts, so I don’t know. Maybe they are the apologetics and you are the real one that shows your church true color.

You will do well to listen to your fellow LDS, dianaiad, whose posts are well balanced and informative.

Well, FYI, Catholics are not threatened because they have the assurance that ‘the Gate of Hell’ will not prevail against it. Why should they be when they can take God’s word for it and only let Him to do the defending?
 
thecourt said:
Catholicism professes that it is the true church of Jesus Christ and among a number of reasons for me leaving Catholicism, I found that it lacked characteristics that would show it is not the true church.

The Protestant reformers did what they particularly to me as evidence that it is not the true church. Catholicism I suppose felt how dare anyone would question its claim. Their efforts showed that Catholicism had flaws.

My church’s profession of the apostasy and the need for the church being restored certainly does not make things any better.

Why Catholics are you threatened? Are you willing to see your flaws in light of the Protestants and the LDS Church?
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hi court. have you ever read the book pilgrims progress? in it there is a character named pliable…you remind me a little of him. didnt take much evidence to sway him either. if what the protestant reformers did is enough to convince you, that the Catholic Church is not the true Church, then that is not that convincing in and of itself. my daughter suffers from partial/complex seizure disorder. this is similar to what the sda founder egw suffered from. these people sometimes have very real seeming and lucid “visions.” if my daughter happens to have one, shall i let you know about it? should we start our own church because of it? just because someone claims to have found the “truth” is no reason to believe them. but if she does have one, would you follow what she says? just because martin luther, john calvin, meno simons, zwingli, believed they had found an alternative, does not mean they had. just because joseph smith
jr. claimed to have a visitation doesnt mean he had. i for one will question any claim. that is why the Good Lord gave us our minds and good sense. are you so easily swayed by one mans supposed visions? at least the other Mormons have inteligent answeres as to why they believe what they believe. and they are not easily swayed by what someone may claim. my road to Catholocism was rough, not an easy thing to do. i just did not wake up one morning and say, hey this makes sense. took alot more evidence, and work to come to the conclusions i arrived at to make this decision. not the claims of one man.🤷
 
thecourt said:
Catholicism professes that it is the true church of Jesus Christ and among a number of reasons for me leaving Catholicism, I found that it lacked characteristics that would show it is not the true church.
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Really so you do not TRUST Jesus Christ promise that the "GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST his Church? In other words, you left the Church because we got Judas wannabees?
The Protestant reformers did what they particularly to me as evidence that it is not the true church. Catholicism I suppose felt how dare anyone would question its claim. Their efforts showed that Catholicism had flaws.
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Abuses were committed by the religious due to the sinful nature of mankind. Yet, there had been many good Catholics like St. Francis of Assisi whose actions brought change within the Church. While the Fathers of the Reformers like Martin Luther seek to break from Rome rather than discuss the matter.
My church’s profession of the apostasy and the need for the church being restored certainly does not make things any better.
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Why Catholics are you threatened? Are you willing to see your flaws in light of the Protestants and the LDS Church?
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While your Church teaches Apostasy, I find LDS teachings to be inconsistent with its own teachings. While Catholicism teaches consistent teachings on MORAL and FAITH ISSUES. It seem to me that the Holy Spirit is teaching contradictory beliefs. Your Church even teaches that God isn’t the Trinity. Joseph Smith is nothing more than a false prophets (major cities mention in the Book of Mormons have no archeological proof that they exist).

Catholics do not feel threaten by Noob Churches like LDS and Protestants. Catholicism have been around for 2,000 yrs. Eventually, all other imperfect Christianity will melt away and disappear, and Christians will eventually reunit themself with Rome before the coming of Jesus Christ. Christianity unification will start first between Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy…The Church will be like it was before the Great Schism of 1054 AD.
 
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