Why Is Catholicism Threatened to Your Claim of Being the True Church

[twopekinguys]

Randy Carson claims that when some leave the LDS church, that means it is false?

I am worried about those who leave. The church will continue to grow in spite of those who leave it.

Catholicism loses members — does this not bring in question your lack of being the true church?

I find your statements interestin.

You claim that people leave the LDS, but the church will continue to grow.

However, you state the Catholic church just loses members.

Do you honestly think that the Catholic church doesn’t gain members and grow?

 

[thecourt]

Snerticus claims that Book of Mormon was man made, not it is not – it is another witness of Christ and confirms further to doubting world that Jesus is the Christ.

I beg to the differ, the gates of hell have prevailed, the truth continues to move forward from Christ’s true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

The church has Christ’s name because he founded it — Catholic parishes worldwide have every name but the name the Church of Jesus Christ as the name of any Catholic parish.

 

[HarmonyServant]

I beg to the differ, the gates of hell have prevailed,

But, Jesus said the gates of Hell wouldn’t prevail. He stated that Himself.

 

[Tomster]

Snerticus claims that Book of Mormon was man made, not it is not – it is another witness of Christ and confirms further to doubting world that Jesus is the Christ.

I beg to the differ, the gates of hell have prevailed, the truth continues to move forward from Christ’s true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

The church has Christ’s name because he founded it — Catholic parishes worldwide have every name but the name the Church of Jesus Christ as the name of any Catholic parish.

Could you please explain to us the current LDS teaching regarding polygamy?

 

[twopekinguys]

Snerticus claims that Book of Mormon was man made, not it is not – it is another witness of Christ and confirms further to doubting world that Jesus is the Christ.

I beg to the differ, the gates of hell have prevailed, the truth continues to move forward from Christ’s true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

The church has Christ’s name because he founded it — Catholic parishes worldwide have every name but the name the Church of Jesus Christ as the name of any Catholic parish.

What you are saying then is that Jesus lied. Shame on you. You are also saying that satan is more powerful than Jesus. Again, shame on you.

Jesus said the gates of hell would not prevail against his church, but yet you are saying that satan won. How sad for you.

I can name an alligator a cat, but that doesn’t make it so.

I guess you have never heard of Holy Name Cathedral. Exactly who do you think that refers to? Or how about Sacred Heart of Jesus Catholic Church. Here is one more, hopefully you will get the point. Try Jesus the Good Shepherd Catholic Church.

Try googling any of these churches/cathedrals while you are trying to get your foot out of your mouth.

Sorry, have one more for you to check. Try searching for Christ the King Catholic Church.

Your lack of knowledge and credibility shrinks more and more with each post.

 

[Snerticus]

Snerticus claims that Book of Mormon was man made, not it is not – it is another witness of Christ and confirms further to doubting world that Jesus is the Christ.

I beg to the differ, the gates of hell have prevailed, the truth continues to move forward from Christ’s true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

The church has Christ’s name because he founded it — Catholic parishes worldwide have every name but the name the Church of Jesus Christ as the name of any Catholic parish.

thecourt - I never said anything about the Book of Mormon, let alone anything about a book being man-made. I know nothing of the BoM and am not qualified to comment on it. Where on earth did you get that from? The only book I alluded to was the Bible, which was produced by Catholics, and Mormons - as well as all Christians - use and trust.

If you are turning my words around, then you have lost all credibility with me. I commented because I thought you were sincere. But now I think you are just toying with us - trolling as another poster put it.

Forget it. If you don’t want to listen to what we are saying and only disseminate what you want us to hear, then count me out of this conversation.

Snert

 

[Snerticus]

I agree, it’s quite clear they know very little if anything about the Catholic faith.

 

[thecourt]

HarmonyServant ancient prophets prophesied that the church would fall into apostasy and be restored in the future.

The gates would have to prevail because it was foretold that man made doctrines would into the church and the real and true priesthood authority was not on the earth.

 

[Marie5890]

The Catholic church doesn’t feel threatened. However, we are concerned with everyones soul, and false teachings, just like any other church would be.

The Catholic church has aknowledged its flaws, apologized, and is seeking reunification with many that are no longer in communion with the Church.

There are many talks and agreements going on with the Orthodox, Anglican, etc. That doesn’t seem like feeling threatened. It seems more like reunification.

I agree. As a present Catholic now and former Mormon, I do not sense that the Catholic church feels threatened by Mormonism in any way shape or form.

Most people in the world have very little knowledge of Mormonism. Most people know about Catholicism even if they disagree with it.

Bigger threat to Catholicism and even Christianity in general is secularism, realitivism, atheism.

 

[Karen1960]

HarmonyServant ancient prophets prophesied that the church would fall into apostasy and be restored in the future.

The gates would have to prevail because it was foretold that man made doctrines would into the church and the real and true priesthood authority was not on the earth.

Could you show us where this is?

 

[Marie5890]

Jesus said that the gates of hell will not prevail against His Church.

Where in this statement does it say that the Church will be perfect? On the contrary, this passage means that the Church will be attacked again and again, and yet it will still stand for the gates of hell will not prevail. The fact that the evil one has corrupted church members and even high church officials is all the more proof of the attacks of hell. And yet, for 2000 years the church still stands.

One would think that for all those errors the ‘church’ has made, it would have fallen by now. It should, by the very fact that it’s members have become corrupt, have fallen flat. And it would have if God wasn’t involved. Something man made like that would have fallen like the Roman Empire. Yet the Catholic Church was not man made, it was God-made. and God Himself in the person of Christ promised that it would be here until the end of the age.

Since the Church is more than it’s members - being both God and It’s members - it will survive. If it merely consisted of people, it would have fallen.

So expect more things to happen in the Church. Christ promised us it would happen, and he promised many false prophets would follow to pull those that were not sound in their faith away from the Church. He promised a lot of things that have happened and are happening and no doubt will happen.

Anyway, if it’s not even close the the ‘true church’ then why do you trust a book produced by it?

God Bless,
Snert

You make a great point. If Christ were being truthful when He declared this to Peter (and we all know He is), the the gates of Hell won’t prevail which means it was never taken from this earth.

The LDS dogma of the apostacy and the idea that is WAS taken from this earth and had to be “restored” is a direct contradiction of the the Lord said and makes Him a liar.

 

[rinnie]

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Catholicism professes that it is the true church of Jesus Christ and among a number of reasons for me leaving Catholicism, I found that it lacked characteristics that would show it is not the true church.

The Protestant reformers did what they particularly to me as evidence that it is not the true church. Catholicism I suppose felt how dare anyone would question its claim. Their efforts showed that Catholicism had flaws.

My church’s profession of the apostasy and the need for the church being restored certainly does not make things any better.

[SIGN]Why Catholics are you threatened? Are you willing to see your flaws in light of the Protestants and the LDS Church?

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The CC is built upon Peter by the Power of the Holy Spirit. It is promised by Jesus Christ to be guided by the Advocate the Holy Spirit. That is the promise Jesus Made us. I do not and will not ever believe that the Holy Spirit that is leading the Catholic Church is flawed. The promised Jesus made me he has kept. The RCC has been here for over 2000 years with the same teaching that came from God himself. If you called that flawed I do not know what else I nor anyone could ever say to you.

You either believe that your Church is the one founded On Jesus Christ completely and totally or you do not. I know my Church is the one led by Christ because it has all of the Sacraments. I would never sat my CHurch needed to be restored. That is impossible. Jesus is running it today as much as he was 2000 years ago.

 

[thecourt]

Karen1960 claims a ancient prophet is a liar. You Catholics who supposely brought the Bible to the world yet you do not know what is in it.

Isaiah 24:5 — The earth also is defied under the inhabitants thereof, because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.

So is Isaiah lying or what will your spin of the actual interpretation of the scripture?

 

[Snerticus]

How providencial.

I was looking for passages in the Bible as to how future generations will twist words in order to cause others to fall and I opened it up to this passage:

Col 2:8

See to it that no one captivate you with an empty, seductive philosophy according to human tradition, according to the elemental powers of the world and not according to Christ.

It is quite clear that the OP has never understood his faith, and doesn’t want to at this point. It is also clear that he’s trying to steer people away from Catholicism and it is my guess that they will fail miserably.

Col 2:18

Let no one disqualify you, delighting in self-abasement and worship of angels, taking his stand on visions, inflated without reason by his fleshly mind

Luke 21:8

He answered, "See that you not be deceived, for many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am he,’ and ‘The time has come.’ Do not follow them!

(bolded words are my emphasis)

 

[wisdomseeker]

HarmonyServant ancient prophets prophesied that the church would fall into apostasy and be restored in the future.

The gates would have to prevail because it was foretold that man made doctrines would into the church and the real and true priesthood authority was not on the earth.

Ok. so, our Lord finally found a people He can trust, the mormons. Hummnnnnnnnnnn!

now, i ask you is there a guarantee that the mormons will never fall into apostasy like the CC did?
and if the mormons begin to make man made doctrines, who will be the next True Church? did the ancient prophets have mentioned the next true church?

and another question: if there was no True teachings until the mormons appeared on earth, what happened to the people who lived before the mormons appeared? were they all deceived by false teachings?

O truth, you are present to those who seek your help, and at one and the same time you answer all, though they seek your counsel on different matters. You respond clearly, but not everyone hears clearly. All ask what they wish, but do not always hear the answer they wish. Your best servant is he who is intent not so much on hearing his petition answered, as rather on willing whatever he hears from you.
St Augustine

 

[Marie5890]

Ok. so, our Lord finally found a people He can trust, the mormons. Hummnnnnnnnnnn!

now, i ask you is there a guarantee that the mormons will never fall into apostasy like the CC did?
and if the mormons begin to make man made doctrines, who will be the next True Church? did the ancient prophets have mentioned the next true church?

and another question: if there was no True teachings until the mormons appeared on earth, what happened to the people who lived before the mormons appeared? were they all deceived by false teachings?

wisedomseeker, to answer your last questions. The Mormon answer is yes, they believe that inbetween what they call the apostacy and the “restoration” all people were deceived by false teachings.

Its one of the reasons they do extensive genealogical work and do proxy baptisms in their temples. (Also why the do proxy sealings in the temples)

Mormons believe that their baptism are the only valid ones so they have to “redeem the dead” thru temple work.

Unless of course these dogmas have too been changed since I left back in 1991. From some of the things that thecourt has said it does sound like that they are changing some of their doctrines since I have left.

 

[PaulDupre]

Karen1960 claims a ancient prophet is a liar. You Catholics who supposely brought the Bible to the world yet you do not know what is in it.

Isaiah 24:5 — The earth also is defied under the inhabitants thereof, because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.

So is Isaiah lying or what will your spin of the actual interpretation of the scripture?

You realize, don’t you, that Isaiah 24 describes the final destruction of the Earth by fire at the end of days. That has not happened yet, and so that chapter cannot be describing your “great apostacy” shortly following the time of Christ. The LDS take that verse, like they take all of the bible, totally out of context.

I notice that you stopped quoting a bit too early. Let’s look at the whole paragraph:

5 The earth suffers for the sins of its people, for they have twisted the instructions of God, violated his laws and broken his everlasting covenant. 6 Therefore, a curse consumes the earth and its people. They are left desolate, destroyed by fire. Few will be left alive.

That passage does not say that Jesus’ church would apostacize. It says that people would be sinning big-time just before the end comes. Big surprise, people always sin.

If you look at all of the bible passages that the LDS use to demonstrate a total falling away of the church, you will find that in every case the passage is really talking about individuals or groups who fall away FROM the church, not a falling away OF the church.

Huge difference.

You have been deceived, court.

Plus, it is obvious that you have what is called “new convert syndrome” - you know almost nothing about your new religion, yet are sure that it is true anyway. Take some time to learn what Mormonism really believes and teaches, and what your former prophets taught from Joseph Smith until now. Read all the standard works cover to cover. Read some history about the life of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and other LDS leaders. Then come back and discuss with us.

 

[thecourt]

Wisdomseeker the church will never need to be restored again because the Lord his restored church would not be destroyed or taken from the earth, his priesthood authority particularly.

I recognize Catholicism wishes we would go away. We are not.

 

[Marie5890]

Dont be too hard on thecourt.

Converts to Mormonism do have colored glasses on and know very little of Mormon history. The real Mormon history. Not the whitewashing that has been going on in the past few decades.

When those rose colored glasses finally come off the realization that one has been duped and deceived can be overwhelming causing a great deal of anger and pain.

I know it did me. I was deeply involved. Went to BYU. Live in UT for well over a decade. Went thru the temple and “took out my endowments” Was a “Relief Society” President (the women’s organization of the LDS church)

He/she will need our support, encouragement and prayers. Our understanding.

Pray for thecourt. He/she needs our prayers more than I can tell you.

 

[Snerticus]

I recognize Catholicism wishes we would go away. We are not.

:hypno: