Why is disbelief a sin?

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The subject line of the thread is: “why is disbelief a sin?”

My answer to that is that is that I believe that there is one very important verse in the Gospels pertaining to belief, that is John 3:16, paraphrased: “God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten Son, whomsoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life”.

So to not believe means that you miss out on everlasting life.
Why is this a sin? Because to “sin” means to “miss the mark”
Well said. Now should be speak of “mortal miss the mark”? (It is a nice alliteration)
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If everlasting life is your target, by not believing you have missed the target.
No, it is not my target. But according to the believers the wages of “missing the mark” is not simple cessation of existence, it is everlasting torture and suffering.
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As an athiest who believes that God does not exist, that you do not have a soul and when you die, your brain just shuts off and there is nothing left, Why does any of this matter to you?
Simple curiousity, to see if there is a valid answer to this question. Yours is pretty good. 🙂
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You said in an early post that you have no choice in not believing, and implied that rational thought leads you to disbelief. Did you know that belief does not have to come from logic? That belief can come from your heart and not your brain. That to fully live is to live by both your heart and your brain at the same time?
Well, my heart is just a simple pump, which circulates my blood. So “all” I have is my brain and my mind to guide me. And my life is most satisfying and full.
 
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And my life is most satisfying and full…
of vanity and devilish pride… full of emptiness…

“he who does not believe is condemned already”
 
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Sorry, that is not convincing at all. The Big Bang is simply the beginning of what we call universe. How it happened, we don’t know. What was the physics like in the first few seconds, we don’t know. But there is no reason to suspect supernatural intervention. That would only be appealing to the “God of the Gaps”.
Yeah, that’s definitely an interesting puzzle that we have. We can say the universe was created by the big bang, but that leaves us another question that isn’t resolved, namely what caused the big bang and how did it happen? I don’t think there’s any comfort for believers or atheists in saying something like “It just happened,” as that’s clearly not scientific.

So let’s work with this and go back further. We know matter doesn’t create itself and that powerful explosions like a big bang don’t just happen. So the big bang has a cause or driver, which in turn must have a cause or driver, lest we accept something like “It just happened.” Now, I don’t see how you can go back ad infinitum, as that solves nothing. You still need a cause or origination of some sort.

This to me is where you get the idea of God, an all-powerful being, and this God is considered a creator of the universe. There are other arguments for God, but since you mentioned the big bang, I figured we might start a productive discussion with this sort of approach. I think it goes beyond “God of the Gaps,” as I’m not saying that God exists because we can’t explain things. I’m saying no matter how great our explanations are, you still need an all powerful being to have a beginning.

This is an abbreviated post. We can get more in depth if you wish. I know you don’t believe in God, but I do so I close by saying God bless.

TheConvert
 
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Well, my heart is just a simple pump, which circulates my blood. So “all” I have is my brain and my mind to guide me. And my life is most satisfying and full.
I don’t want to offend you but I believe you know what I mean by heart in this context so your response was pretty obtuse.

Do you love through logic? I don’t think so. In the same way you can find a path to the belief in God without logic.

To deny that you can come to a conclusion, to a state of belief without logic is to deny your very nature as a human being.

My impression is that you do not believe in God because you have not seen a satisfying logical proof. All that I am trying to say is that as a human being, in the same way that you can love independently from logic, you can truely believe in God independently from logic. Or is love false too?

And by the way, God IS Love.
 
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I don’t want to offend you but I believe you know what I mean by heart in this context so your response was pretty obtuse.

Do you love through logic? I don’t think so. In the same way you can find a path to the belief in God without logic.

To deny that you can come to a conclusion, to a state of belief without logic is to deny your very nature as a human being.

My impression is that you do not believe in God because you have not seen a satisfying logical proof. All that I am trying to say is that as a human being, in the same way that you can love independently from logic, you can truely believe in God independently from logic. Or is love false too?
I agree with you. Of course I was just being facetitious when I spoke of the heart as a biological organ. As human beings we are have our logic and we have our emotions. Knowledge is gained through our logic, love is an emotion, it cannot be reached through logic. But I do not let my emotions to dictate my acts against my logic. Sure, emotions are wonderful, they make life much better. One can live without love, but what good it would be? I love my wife and kid and all my family, but that is reciprocated by them. If my wife would cease to love me, if she would go and cheat on me, I would also cease to love her.
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And by the way, God IS Love.
THAT is someting I don’t believe. A loving being does not allow his loved ones else to suffer IF they can prevent it. And there is NO sign of that.
 
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A loving being does not allow his loved ones else to suffer IF they can prevent it.
“For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see might become blind.”
 
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“For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see might become blind.”

I’m having trouble finding that quote. Can you give the book, chapter and verse?

Thanks
 
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I’m having trouble finding that quote. Can you give the book, chapter and verse? Thanks
sorry, i usually cite the complete reference…
in this case it is from the Gospel according to John, chapter 9, verse 39.
perfectly fits the unbeliever.
 
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THAT is someting I don’t believe. A loving being does not allow his loved ones else to suffer IF they can prevent it. And there is NO sign of that.
Suffering is directly or indirectly a result of humans exercising free will. God gave us free will so that we would not be simple robots, that we would have to exercise a choice to be in a loving relationship with Him.

To remove suffering would require removing free will from us and I do not think anyone wants that.
 
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Suffering is directly or indirectly a result of humans exercising free will. God gave us free will so that we would not be simple robots, that we would have to exercise a choice to be in a loving relationship with Him.

To remove suffering would require removing free will from us and I do not think anyone wants that.
No, it is not. Suffering is the result of scarcity, not free will. I opened a new thread about this very subject:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=106280

You are welcome to participate.
 
/How can anyone NOT believe in a supreme creator? Did the cars up the street get there by accident Were they designed and made? Easier is it to believe that, than a tree which is living can just appear and reproduce or that man can.
 
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THAT is someting I don’t believe. A loving being does not allow his loved ones else to suffer IF they can prevent it. And there is NO sign of that.
April 2, 2006: SUNDAY READINGS - 5th Sunday of Lent GOSPEL: John 12, 25: ”Whoever loves his life loses it, and whoever hates his life in this world will preserve it for eternal life”.
 
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