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Elena321
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Doesn’t this then make out like us women are “temptresses” or having a weaker nature etc and sort of blame women?
Why is Eve blamed for the first sin/disobedience of God and not Adam?
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Lea101
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Well…sexism
People like to blame the other group for anything, and they think Eve is more guilty than Adam and so on.
Also there’s a bible verse that seems to place the blame on women (st paul?), so that probably played a part. I don’t know how to interpret that verse so maybe someone else can do this
That doesn’t mean it’s true, hopefully Christians understand this. This way of thinking was common with Christians a while back. But i hardly see this from them recently,besides hardcore evangelicals.
People like to blame the other group for anything, and they think Eve is more guilty than Adam and so on.
Also there’s a bible verse that seems to place the blame on women (st paul?), so that probably played a part. I don’t know how to interpret that verse so maybe someone else can do this
That doesn’t mean it’s true, hopefully Christians understand this. This way of thinking was common with Christians a while back. But i hardly see this from them recently,besides hardcore evangelicals.
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Reuben_J
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I am a man and this is a dangerous ground to tread, so I am out. 
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Della
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Since I’m a woman, and have a B. A. in Bible, perhaps I might offer some thoughts on the subject? 
Actually, Eve doesn’t get the whole blame for the Fall. Adam shares equally–indeed, it’s more his fault than hers because it was his responsibility to stand in her place before God and offer himself for her sins–just as Christ did for all of us. He didn’t do that. Instead he put all the blame on his wife. St. Paul teaches quite clearly that Adam was at fault and that we needed the Second Adam to redeem us.
Lea101, could you please cite the passage(s) from St. Paul to which you referred? I’d like to read them and comment.
Biblical interpretation is a delicate thing. Sadly, many trample where angels fear to tread and get things rather backwards or skewed. A good Catholic commentary can help us sort through interpretations, especially the more obscure or culturally difficult ones.
Actually, Eve doesn’t get the whole blame for the Fall. Adam shares equally–indeed, it’s more his fault than hers because it was his responsibility to stand in her place before God and offer himself for her sins–just as Christ did for all of us. He didn’t do that. Instead he put all the blame on his wife. St. Paul teaches quite clearly that Adam was at fault and that we needed the Second Adam to redeem us.
Lea101, could you please cite the passage(s) from St. Paul to which you referred? I’d like to read them and comment.
Biblical interpretation is a delicate thing. Sadly, many trample where angels fear to tread and get things rather backwards or skewed. A good Catholic commentary can help us sort through interpretations, especially the more obscure or culturally difficult ones.
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Lea101
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1 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;** she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women[c] will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
(1 Timothy 2)
I’m sure this shouldn’t be taken literally but it is a common verse to put down women.
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(1 Timothy 2)
I’m sure this shouldn’t be taken literally but it is a common verse to put down women.
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Della
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1 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;** she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women[c] will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
(1 Timothy 2)
I’m sure this shouldn’t be taken literally but it is a common verse to put down women.
Yes, it is used to put women “in their place” all right–by some. But it’s important to know the context in which St. Paul wrote this and what he wanted to accomplish through this admonition. Being that St. Paul preached love and equality, he isn’t saying that women are inferior to men. Rather, he’s saying that men have a responsibility that women don’t have before God within the structure of the family. Women’s responsibilities differs, but are no less important. Most of us gals are not going to teach others in a formal sense, but by bringing up our children we are teachers and examples. Women religious have the same gifts, which they use in others ways, but the idea is the same. Men have certain authority and so do women–they compliment each other. Neither should make war over it, but each couple needs to determine what works best for them within their home life using the model of the Church as their guide. At least, that’s what I gather from it, within the context of our modern world. The Church meets the world in each age and adapts the Gospel message, without compromising it, for that age. In this way the Church is like a tree–it can bend with the wind but has a strong central core. Families ought to be the domestic church and do the same.
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dmar198
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Adam is blamed for the original sin just as much as Eve. The original sin is sometimes called “the sin of Adam.”
Romans 5:14 - “Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam.”
1 Cor. 15:22 - “For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.”
Romans 5:12 - “sin came into the world through one man and death through sin.”
Romans 5:15 - “[For] many died through one man’s trespass.”
Romans 5:17 - “because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man.”
Romans 5:18 - “as one man’s trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one man’s act of righteousness leads to acquittal and life for all men.”
Romans 5:19 - “by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners.”
Wisdom 10:1 - “Wisdom protected the first-formed father of the world, when he alone had been created; she delivered him from his transgression, and gave him strength to rule all things.”
All these passages blame Adam for the original sin. Therefore Eve isn’t the only one to blame.
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Lea101
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I am pretty sure OP is talking about why Christians blame Eve, not why the church teaches that she is to be blamed
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Della
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She deserves blame, all right. After all, she succumbed to temptation first and then presented Adam with the forbidden fruit, setting up the situation. She wasn’t an innocent victim.
Of course she’s also to blame. She sinned first. But it was Adam who represented the race and HE is the one ultimately responsible.
It has nothing to do with her being a woman. That’s feminist nonsense. Men and women are equally capable of sin.
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EricF
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Listen to this talk by Father Larry Richards. He sums this up quite well in my opinion. youtube.com/watch?v=-JOFv_trgqU
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dmar198
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If I’m understanding you correctly, the question is not why the Church blames Eve but why Christians do. But wouldn’t that imply that Christians and the Church are different? For me, I blame Eve only to the extent the Church does and for the same reasons. I hope other Christians do the same. There is no reason to put excessive blame on her or to exonerate Adam. We should do what Scripture does, and say both committed the sin and were later forgiven.
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IsaiahSpirit
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Adam and Eve were equally guilty. I have never been taught otherwise.
“Wherefore as by one man [Adam,] sin entered into this world, and by sin death; and so death passed upon all men, in whom all have sinned.” - Romans 5:12
Peace.
“Wherefore as by one man [Adam,] sin entered into this world, and by sin death; and so death passed upon all men, in whom all have sinned.” - Romans 5:12
Peace.
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Convert_in_99
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I am a man and this is a dangerous ground to tread, so I am out.
(But you’re right!
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IsaiahSpirit
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Fr. Pacwa on EWTN taught that Adam was responsible to protect Eve.
Since they were under grace at the time, Adam was not prudent.
So he had a sin of omission as Eve sinned, therefore they sinned
at the same time. It became worse when she offered and he accepted
the forbidden fruit of disobedience, deciding good or evil by themselves.
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HelenRose
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Adam is also blamed. Whether it was a female or male who first encountered Satan is irrelevant. One person listened to Satan the other person followed suit. Neither Eve nor Adam were exempt. Both were banished from the garden.
If you read the story both Adam and Eve tried to deflect the blame.
Like two year olds, Eve blamed Satan and Adam blamed Eve.
Women still blame men for their own sins and men still blame women for their own sins. Same story.
Who knows. They probably WERE two year-olds. Maybe even younger (like a week).
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HelenRose
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At any rate they were no different than we are now. Will versed in how to deflect blame. Reminds of priests when they tell us they don’t want to hear the sins of their penitent’s spouse.
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pianistclare
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