Why is God invisible?

[STT]

OK… information does not have ‘being’. They exist, however. And, more to the point, they exist outside of the experience of beings with ontological existence.

Therefore, they exist outside of any representations of them. After all, that’s the question you asked…

We are talking about two different things. Concepts/ideas and information. Concepts/ideas are just a mode of experience, a mental state. Information is a particular arrangement or formation of something.

 

[Blue_Horizon]

Because the absence of interaction means the absence of cause and effect.

Again, I am not against the concept of invisible spirit. I am against the concept of something which has no form.

You keep changing your position and you are not coherently abswering reasonable questions.

1. You use the word god as if you accept the traditional meaning of that word.
2. Yet you deny that such an invisible spirit can be intelligent or personal or ingera t with matter.
3. Yet you still believe invisible spirits can exist.
4. But you cannot advise us what these non petsonal existing spirits are like nor how we can know of them given they dont influence matter.
5. I asked you to define god?
6. So if god cannot exist in the spiritual realm he must exist in the material realm. Yet you are unable to tell us what a material god is?

Do you actually understand your own question?

 

[Blue_Horizon]

Because the absence of interaction means the absence of cause and effect.

I just said that, why do you repeat it?
The question is why you do not agree with the traditional understanding of what spiritual substances are?
And if you do disagree why you believe in the spiritual world at all having just denied the definition .

 

[STT]

We cannot experience something which doesn’t exist!

Is thought something?

 

[STT]

You keep changing your position and you are not coherently answering reasonable questions.

I am not changing my position and I think my answer is coherent.

1. You use the word god as if you accept the traditional meaning of that word.
2. Yet you deny that such an invisible spirit can be intelligent or personal or interact with matter.
3. Yet you still believe invisible spirits can exist.
4. But you cannot advise us what these non personal existing spirits are like nor how we can know of them given they don’t influence matter.
5. I asked you to define god?
6. So if god cannot exist in the spiritual realm he must exist in the material realm. Yet you are unable to tell us what a material god is?

Here what I am saying:

1. Invisible spirit could exist. Even invisible universe could exist, a universe made of another stuff. A thing is invisible if it doesn’t interact with matter.
2. You cannot have a being without any form. This has no relation with (1).

Do you actually understand your own question?

Yes, I do.

 

[STT]

I just said that, why do you repeat it?

Great. So we agree on this.

The question is why you do not agree with the traditional understanding of what spiritual substances are?
And if you do disagree why you believe in the spiritual world at all having just denied the definition .

I am not against spiritual substance. I am saying that this substance should have a form in order to have an intellectual being.

 

[Blue_Horizon]

Great. So we agree on this.

I am not against spiritual substance. I am saying that this substance should have a form in order to have an intellectual being.

You just failed a turing test, do come back when you demonstrate more form, information and intelligence than your spiritual substances.

 

[Vico]

Great. So we agree on this.

I am not against spiritual substance. I am saying that this substance should have a form in order to have an intellectual being.

References:

Modern Catholic Dictionary

Substance: A being whose essence requires that it exist in itself. It is an ens per se (a being by itself) or ens in se (a being in itself). It is commonly distinguished from an accident, whose essence is to exist in another, that is, in a substance. (Etym. Latin substantia, that which stands under, principle, foundation.)

Aquinas: Metaphysics from The Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy (IEP) (ISSN 2161-0002)
Within Aquinas’s metaphysical framework, substances can be both material (cats, dogs, humans) and immaterial (angels), but as noted above, the paradigm instances of substances are material substances, and the latter are composites of matter and form; a material substance is neither its matter alone nor its form alone, since matter and form are always said to be of some individual and never in themselves.

iep.utm.edu/aq-meta/

 

[tonyrey]

Is thought something?

Thought is the product of intellectual activity. It is not a material object that can be perceived by the senses.