Why is God so mean and so controlling?

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My 12 yr old son has this question as well.
God was a huge control freak. You dare question God once and you go to hell like in the rebellion of Korah. God seems to be trigger happy with his punishments like when Moses did one bad thing and then Moses can’t go to the promised land. Aside from incorruptibles and a few other miracles like the Eucharist God is asleep on the job now unlike the Old Testament. In the Old Testament God is over strict, now he’s asleep. It makes me suspicious about incorruptibles. If god is perfect then why does he make mistakes: case in point the devil.
 
Given that God is omnipotent and can have anything he wants, what do you think God wants from you, and why does he want it?
 
I’d suggest the blog I suggested to you on another thread.

Also, 12 is young for this. Someone in his world is talking him into atheism, do you know who that is?
 
God made us to give us a chance to be happy for ever in Heaven. If someone doesn’t want to go to heaven, then all they have to do is show plainly they don’t want to by they’re bad actions.
You have a choice what you do, and where you go after death. God does not force you anywhere, He let’s you decide.
 
My 12 yr old son has this question as well.
God was a huge control freak. You dare question God once and you go to hell like in the rebellion of Korah. God seems to be trigger happy with his punishments like when Moses did one bad thing and then Moses can’t go to the promised land. Aside from incorruptibles and a few other miracles like the Eucharist God is asleep on the job now unlike the Old Testament. In the Old Testament God is over strict, now he’s asleep. It makes me suspicious about incorruptibles. If god is perfect then why does he make mistakes: case in point the devil.
Did your 12 yr old really come up with all that? What was your answer back?
 
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Two constants. Love of God and Free will’
We know that God loves us and wishes that we love him in return.
Free Will is our choice to respond in a negative or positive manner.
We have The Ten Commandments as our guide for life.
The O. T. is full of allegories written or inspired to aid in understanding
and follow His Word.
My suggestion is to study The Old Testament the best a 12-year-old can, not as a theology but as a “Never Ending Story.” Theology can come later to a more mature mind. Peace.
 
God loves us so much He did not make us slaves. He allow us to have a free will and be free to choose Him. Work on doing that and you will see that God is very much alive and very active.
 
We talked to him a bit about it last night. He has high functioning autism and part of his diagnosis iscthst he doesn’t get hierarchy. He often thinks punishments are unfair. Later on after much ado he’ll get that he is wrong. It is very hard raising a special needs child. Part of the run is that he constantly thinks he is equal to us. He gets this in his own. The doctor who diagnosed him about 3 Yrs ago said that about him. I pray a lot. We have him do a lot of chores so he gets what it takes to DO things and what has been done for him all these years. He’s going to take an art class over the summer too that I hope will help even further with his understanding of what it takes to do fine art. I’m teaching the course! Yay!

Answer to a prior question/comment: Hmmm he’s homeschooled but he is on township soccer and he learned about bubble universes from his nominally Jewish public school team mates.
 
Somebody’s looking through the wrong end of the telescope here. God is revealed as creating a covenant with the chosen people. If you read Jewish writings on this, THAT covenant does not even apply to the rest of us. We’re even told by Paul that the old covenantal circumcision brings condemnation on us.

Marriage is a covenant. It has terms and conditions.

The terms of God’s covenant are intended to bring us to holiness and thereby to eternal life with God. If we obey the terms of the new covenant, then we are controlling God, no? Don’t you want to hold God to the terms of THIS covenant? Yes, covenants impose conditions, controlling conditions if you insist.

In 1Sam, I think David and Jonathan made a covenant of friendship with each other, under the pain of the wrath of God. Who would have thunk it, a same-sex covenant in the Bible ! READ IT. Now, I don’t remember enough of the details, but I think this covenant was supposed to make them something as if they were loyal brothers.I would surely like a better explanation of what they did, why they did it, and why it’s in the Bible.

With respect to all of the above – my Jewish commentaries indicate that an alternate word for covenant would be "pact."The Bible could be divided into the Old Pact and the New Pact.
 
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My 12 yr old son has this question as well.
OK. This is for both of you, then. I’m guessing though, that it’s going to be more beneficial to you, given that your life experience is more deep than his.
God was a huge control freak.
So, here’s the thing: the Bible demonstrates for us the ways in which we, the people of God, have changed – not that God himself has changed!

In the earlier parts of the Bible, peoples’ understanding of God was less mature. In a way, it’s like talking to a child. Later, the people of God begin to mature in their relationship with Him, but they go through the same stages as do as people: it’s almost like they’re “teens” in their relationship with Him, with the same sort of lack-of-control and petulance and inability to see the big picture. Do children often misunderstand what their parents are doing? Do they often characterize ‘discipline’ as ‘unreasonable use of power’? Do children create narratives which seem reasonable to them, but which looks to adults like something completely different than the situation at hand? I would argue that this is what we’ve got going on here.
You dare question God once and you go to hell like in the rebellion of Korah.
Actually, the context of the story of Korah was a priestly rebellion against Moses (and, by extension, against God). Some scholars suggest that the ‘tent’ that is referenced in the story is a rival sanctuary, which would mean that they were offering their own sacrilegious sacrifices, in defiance to the Covenant to which they had given assent.

So, it’s not “they questioned God” – it’s that, in keeping with the narrative of the wandering in the desert, the people of God were having a really hard time of it, and not learning the lesson that straying from God leads to death (physical or otherwise)! And, these aren’t every-day garden-variety folks-on-the-street – these are the priests of God who are doing this!
God seems to be trigger happy with his punishments like when Moses did one bad thing and then Moses can’t go to the promised land.
Let’s look at the context. There are two instances in which the people cry out for water, and Moses acts on their behalf. In the first one, God says “strike the rock, Moses”, and he does, and water flows. In the first episode, the people were questioning whether God was truly among them.

In the second episode, the people are complaining against Moses. So, God steps up to Moses’ defense. He tells Moses to speak to the rock, and get the water to flow. In other words, God wants the people to see that He Himself stands with Moses, and that He is the source of Moses’ authority.

But… what does Moses do? He strikes the rock! In other words, in front of the people, he makes it look like he’s in charge, not God. The people rose up against him, and Moses decided that he would use God’s power as if it were his own! That’s what his sin is!

And, of course, we would say that those who should know better are held to a higher standard, right? That’s why the punishment fits the offense.
 
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Aside from incorruptibles and a few other miracles like the Eucharist God is asleep on the job now unlike the Old Testament.
He is? How so? 🤔
If god is perfect then why does he make mistakes: case in point the devil.
The devil isn’t a mistake any more than you or I are a mistake. We each have free will, and we each have the opportunity to say “yes” or “no” to God.
 
In the Old Testament God is over strict,
Read the Old Testament and you will find more acts of Mercy than in the New Testament.

“…whom God put forward as a sacrifice of atonement by his blood, effective through faith. He did this to show his righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over the sins previously committed.”
Romans 3:25
 
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Your son has a lot of good questions, and it’s great that he is bringing them to you. Tell him to keep those good questions coming. Don’t be afraid to say “I don’t know” or “Let me look into that and get back to you with an answer.”
 
This! Free will. We can choose to live in God’s justice (hard-hearted and unrepentant), or we can choose to live in his infinite mercy.
 
This was the answer Job gave to Yahweh:

I know that you are all-powerful: what you conceive, you can perform.
I was the man who misrepresented your intentions with my ignorant words. You have told me about great works that I cannot understand, about marvels which are beyond me, of which I know nothing.
(Listen, please, and let me speak: I am going to ask the questions, and you are to inform me.)
Before, I knew you only by hearsay but now, having seen you with my own eyes, I retract what I have said, and repent in dust and ashes.

Job 42:1-6
 
Two constants. Love of God and Free will’
We know that God loves us and wishes that we love him in return.
How does one get to the point where one believes that God loves them, without question, as sure as they know 2+2=4?
 
God seems to be trigger happy with his punishments
Really? I think God is showing remarkable restraint. That restraint has to do with the new covenant. We all should be glad that deal got made.
If god is perfect then why does he make mistakes: case in point the devil.
Its free will. He gave the angels free will and one third of them refused to serve. If he wanted robot angels, he would have made them. Would you want a robot son, or a robot husband? I am quite sure they don’t want a robot mom or wife. What is the good in that? Just trying to make a point here.

When things go wrong in my life, it is either my fault, the result of someone else and their free will, or both. Usually, it is my fault. To be mad at God, to bang our spoon on the highchair table doesn’t do anybody any good. I am just so very grateful that God puts up with my craziness as much as he does, in my slow, often backward step walk towards holiness.

I need to be reminded daily why I am here, threads like this do that. We hare here to glorify God. That is job one, job two is to do whatever we need to do in order to get to heaven, and finally we hare here to have families, and help them in them in their walk towards towards holiness. That’s it. It isn’t to become a CEO or get a beach house. If those things come, great, but not if it distracts us from those three goals.
 
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Explain to your son that in the Old Testament , God was preparing His people for the Incarnation- Jesus.
God also had very personal interactions with His prophets. Read Job to Him.
In Psalms there are verses like God is slow to anger. And verses about God’s love and mercy.
In the New Testament we read how Jesus came to establish the new Covenant and bring us Salvation.

Reading the Gospels is a good place to start learning of the love and mercy of God.
 
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