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athenasius
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I know that homosexual marriage is imoral and condemned by the church but I am a little unclear on why. Help please?
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michelleds
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Please do not take this as anything but a gentle suggestion. Your questions are certainly welcome here, but there are a number of threads where this issue is currently being hotly debated. Both here in Moral Theology and under the Social Justice umbrella. Both of those are found here in Apologetics.
Thanks and welcome
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athenasius
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Thanks, I’ll look a little harder.
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StOwen
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Because romantic relationships between two people of the same gender is forbidden.
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athenasius
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Stop trying to trivialize the natural order of the uniniverse.
there is more to it than that!!!:banghead:
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StOwen
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The question is why is homosexual marriage immoral, not why is homosexual sex immoral.Stop trying to trivialize the natural order of the uniniverse.
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JacquesMaritain
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Hi Athenasius:
Because this question comes up so often, there’s a special Catholic Answers Report on it, given in the library here:
catholic.com/library/gay_marriage.asp
The short answer is that marriage is only possible between man and woman, and thus the union of two men (or two women) is not marriage at all, but something else. This is explained in section 2360 of the Catechism, and the following sections. “Sexuality is ordered to the conjugal love of man and woman. In marriage the physical intimacy of the spouses becomes a sign and pledge of spiritual communion. Marriage bonds between baptized persons are sanctified by the sacrament.”
The purpose of marriage is “the good of the spouses themselves and the transmission of life”, according to the Church. “These two meanings or values of marriage cannot be separated without altering the couple’s spiritual life and compromising the goods of marriage and the future of the family.” (2363).
I hope this helps.
Jacques
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athenasius
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What’s your point?
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StOwen
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My point is that homosexual marriage (an oxymoron by the way) and homosexual relationsips are two different things.
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WoundedIcon
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Because it’s a self-centric thing. The purpose of marriage is to bring two people together in love as a foundation for a life and lifestyle of supporting each other in life so that they can go on lovingly raising children as partners so that those children can grow up into well adjusted Christ-like members of society making a positive impact on the world and imparting that to their children, and on and on. It’s about the well being of the human community. Same-sex marriage is more about the privileges and pleasure of the individuals of the couple, about what they see as their well being.
If heterosexual marriage is supposed to be a cog moving the timepiece of society, then gay marriage is a cog in the works that doesn’t move, or at least doesn’t move in the right direction or fast enough thus gumming up the works.
Contraception gums one part up, then fornication, then divorce, then homosexuality, and eventually the whole thing stops, breaks, or goes backwards. Ultimately love is about the big picture, and these things are gravely sinful because the mar that picture.
If heterosexual marriage is supposed to be a cog moving the timepiece of society, then gay marriage is a cog in the works that doesn’t move, or at least doesn’t move in the right direction or fast enough thus gumming up the works.
Contraception gums one part up, then fornication, then divorce, then homosexuality, and eventually the whole thing stops, breaks, or goes backwards. Ultimately love is about the big picture, and these things are gravely sinful because the mar that picture.
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athenasius
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So your saying that it is okay for homosexuals to get married as long as they do not have sex?
I’m not trying to purposfuly misunderstand you, I am just not sure what you are saying.
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athenasius
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Anthony_V
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Fostering homosexual tendencies break the contrition we make at confession:
“I firmly intend, with your help, to sin no more, to do penance, and to avoid whatever leads me to sin.”
Dating and having boyfriends/girlfriends is a tool of discernment for marriage. When you date someone of the same sex you are discerning a homosexual “marriage”: which is not only illicit, but sinful, because a marriage is between a man and a woman. You are thus not avoiding whatever would lead you to sin.
“I firmly intend, with your help, to sin no more, to do penance, and to avoid whatever leads me to sin.”
Dating and having boyfriends/girlfriends is a tool of discernment for marriage. When you date someone of the same sex you are discerning a homosexual “marriage”: which is not only illicit, but sinful, because a marriage is between a man and a woman. You are thus not avoiding whatever would lead you to sin.
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Windfish
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I am researching this question myself, and while I cannot provide you with any specific answers just yet, I want to give you a sense of direction. To that end, it is very important that you start from the fundamentals and work your way up - you have to learn the ethical system that we have as Catholics and why it is the correct one, why it is the only one. All secular ethics fail, and you need to learn how to deconstruct them since proponents of homosexual marriage are working from fundamentals that are very different than ours. Fundamentals like 1) if there is objective truth and morality 2) what is human nature 3) how we view the relationship between male and female 4) how we view our bodies 5) how view sex relative to the human person etc. etc. etc.
I would encourage you to really take this opportunity and find books, articles, and speakers which specialize on this issue.
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StOwen
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No, I am saying homosexual ‘marriage’ is wrong because homosexual relationships themselves are wrong.So your saying that it is okay for homosexuals to get married as long as they do not have sex?
I’m not trying to purposfuly misunderstand you, I am just not sure what you are saying.
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JacquesMaritain
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Hi Athenasius:So your saying that it is okay for homosexuals to get married as long as they do not have sex?
I’m not trying to purposfuly misunderstand you, I am just not sure what you are saying.
I don’t think StOwen is saying that, and I don’t think Catholics would say that anyway, as you cannot have a valid marriage unless the couple has had sex. Such a marriage would be null and void, as I understand it (indeed, if it is known already that the two partners do not intend to ever have sexual relations, the marriage would not even be permitted). Mind you, the benefit of the doubt is given to the spouses, as Canon 1061 says “After a marriage has been celebrated, if the spouses have lived together consummation is presumed until the contrary is proven.”.
I hope this helps.
Jacques
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sedonaman
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You might also be interested in a theory as to why it is unconstitutional.“Where women have unilateral control over reproduction under Roe v. Wade, same-sex marriage and civil unions would have the effect of leaving men completely without standing in society. This has been a primary goal of the National Organization of Women for the past thirty years.”
mensnewsdaily.com/archive/u-v/usher/2004/usher022404.htm
Also see companion article here newswithviews.com/Usher/david61.htm
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buffalo
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Post #3 gives excellent teaching on marriage. I suggest using it in your search.
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Newbie2
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Real simple: God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
Moderately simple: Marriage is between a man and a woman, everything else is not “marriage”.
Moderately simple: Marriage is between a man and a woman, everything else is not “marriage”.
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