Why is Islam false?

[Kouyate42]

There are a whole HOST of issues that point out Islam to be a somewhat suspect religion.

Firstly is the issue of the Qur’an itself. The book is written in classical Arabic, and supposedly every Muslim is to learn it. However there are many theories which suggest that there are Aramaic and Syriac loan words are present in the Qur’an and that many of the more controversial passages in the Qur’an actually allow for sometimes radically different translations when this is taken into account. A prime example of this is the passage which states that martyrs will be given virgins when they enter Jannah (heaven)- the Syriac word with the same consonants as present in the Arabic text means ‘fruit’!

There is also an issue with Sunnah, the teachings of Muhammad himself. The Qur’an states it is a perfect and most of all COMPLETE book for all mankind to follow. The argument is that there is a massive contradiction between this and the current orthodox Muslim thought which holds sunnah and Qur’an as both being equally valid and that Muslims are to follow both.
There is now a growing Islamic school of thought which rejects sunnah and ahadeeths as being unnecessary and false. However much of the Islamic belief system is based on traditional practices with basis in sunnah- the forms of Islamic prayer, the Five Pillars of Islam and even how to perform ablutions (wudu) is all from this source, and the usual criticism of Quranist Islam is that whilst they reject hadiths, they follow practices from them.

 

[Bezant]

A lot Muslims talk about the scientific and linguistic miracles of the Quran in order to convince non Muslims of its authenticity, but in order to see them or to know if they are there to begin with, one must first know classical Arabic, or you could just have faith that it is the word of God without first learning Arabic, like the majority of Muslims in the world.

My question is for Catholics and non Catholics alike, Catholics why do you believe the Bible is the word, or inspired of God and the Quran isn’t?

There’s no straightforward answer, I think to put it briefly 1) because I have been raised to accept the Bible and to view the world through the Bible, and continue to do so 2) the Quran came a little too late.

How can one know if the Quran is, or is not the word of God?

I don’t know. By going whatever way leads him to that conclusion I suppose, whether he’s raised a Muslim, has a religious experience because of, or a connection to Islam, etc., and then reason can kind of go so far.

 

[0thetrooth0]

There are a whole HOST of issues that point out Islam to be a somewhat suspect religion.

Firstly is the issue of the Qur’an itself. The book is written in classical Arabic, and supposedly every Muslim is to learn it. However there are many theories which suggest that there are Aramaic and Syriac loan words are present in the Qur’an and that many of the more controversial passages in the Qur’an actually allow for sometimes radically different translations when this is taken into account. A prime example of this is the passage which states that martyrs will be given virgins when they enter Jannah (heaven)- the Syriac word with the same consonants as present in the Arabic text means ‘fruit’!

There is also an issue with Sunnah, the teachings of Muhammad himself. The Qur’an states it is a perfect and most of all COMPLETE book for all mankind to follow. The argument is that there is a massive contradiction between this and the current orthodox Muslim thought which holds sunnah and Qur’an as both being equally valid and that Muslims are to follow both.
There is now a growing Islamic school of thought which rejects sunnah and ahadeeths as being unnecessary and false. However much of the Islamic belief system is based on traditional practices with basis in sunnah- the forms of Islamic prayer, the Five Pillars of Islam and even how to perform ablutions (wudu) is all from this source, and the usual criticism of Quranist Islam is that whilst they reject hadiths, they follow practices from them.

Here’s an interesting video on the original Qur’an youtube.com/user/0thetrooth0#p/u/32/P58i_Zg_TNY

 

[Ranp]

One can say the same for Christians and their morality. Look at all the evils the Church has been guilty of over hundreds of years! How it gave us a diseased mind, etc.

The point is, all the great religions of the world have had morality issues. So what? What’s so great about morality?

Men within the Catholic Church and who followed the Catholic Church have done evil things. Howevre, the Catholic Church itself, as the bride of Jesus Christ, cannot do evil. There is no higher morality than that set by Jesus Christ! Nowhere in the New Testament will you find Jesus Christ telling his followers to kill non- believers or that it is ok to rape non-believing women. Yet you will find those very things in the Koran and other teachings of Islam.

If you have a diseased mind it is because you are not following the teachings of Jesus Christ as taught by the Catholic Church.

Ran Pleasant

 

[Nelka]

Why is Islam false?

Islam is false because they do not believe Jesus Christ is God!

 

[Kouyate42]

Men within the Catholic Church and who followed the Catholic Church have done evil things. Howevre, the Catholic Church itself, as the bride of Jesus Christ, cannot do evil. There is no higher morality than that set by Jesus Christ! Nowhere in the New Testament will you find Jesus Christ telling his followers to kill non- believers or that it is ok to rape non-believing women. Yet you will find those very things in the Koran and other teachings of Islam.

If you have a diseased mind it is because you are not following the teachings of Jesus Christ as taught by the Catholic Church.

Ran Pleasant

Jesus himself may not have said to do certain things, but you can certainly find the rape of non-believing women in the Bible, along with killing of non-believers and others that were condemned to die in the name of God.

Problem is that you’ve chosen the Gospels and ignored the fact that there’s an entire Bible surrounding them. The Old Testament in particular is full of stories of incest (Amnon and Tamar anyone?), the killings of non-believers such as the Phillistines and the Midianites, as well the destruction of entire town populations (Jericho, Sodom and Gomorrah etc.) on instruction from God or by God Himself.

You have to accept the whole Bible as truth, so you can’t just sweep that under the carpet.

 

[Kouyate42]

Islam is false because they do not believe Jesus Christ is God!

‘‘Christianity is false because they don’t believe in Muhammad’’

Same argument is easily reversed onto Christianity.

 

[Augustine3]

My question is for Catholics and non Catholics alike, Catholics why do you believe the Bible is the word, or inspired of God and the Quran isn’t? How can one know if the Quran is, or is not the word of God?

I don’t rely on the Quran or the Bible, I rely on the authoritative body that declares the book to be the word of God. We need to examine the credentials of Mohammed to see if he truly is a prophet and his message is truly from God. Based on the evidence I have seen. Mohammed’s credentials do not hold up. He contradicts history and his own theology is self destructive.

Brother in Christ,

 

[Califman831]

‘‘Christianity is false because they don’t believe in Muhammad’’

Same argument is easily reversed onto Christianity.

Except only one has the backing of the Divine Creater, kick Islam to the gutter it came from.

 

[meltzerboy]

Except only one has the backing of the Divine Creater, kick Islam to the gutter it came from.

A little harsh, don’t you think?

 

[John_Paul_Jones]

Judaism regards Islam as a true monotheistic faith. Orthodox Jews were never forbidden to enter a mosque according to Jewish teaching,

I think it was Maimonides who reasoned if a Jewish person was 1.) faced with the possibility of death by the sword or 2.) to survive as moslem but secretly retains ones Jewish identity and traditions the latter was a better choice.

 

[MontChevalier]

A little harsh, don’t you think?

Very. But Meltzerboy, you, more than anyone, should be more upset, since there are many Muslims in the near-east who want to murder every single Jewish soul in the world. Its a tragedy, but since they have refused dialogue so far, what outcome is there?

-MontChevalier

 

[Kouyate42]

Except only one has the backing of the Divine Creator, kick Islam to the gutter it came from.

Islam has good points and bad points like any belief system.

 

[meltzerboy]

I think it was Maimonides who reasoned if a Jewish person was 1.) faced with the possibility of death by the sword or 2.) to survive as moslem but secretly retains ones Jewish identity and traditions the latter was a better choice.

When I said entering a mosque, I did not mean praying there. But yes, I think you are right regarding Maimonides. However, idolatry is not preferable to death according to Jewish Law, as the martyrdom of so many Jews throughout history has revealed.

 

[meltzerboy]

Very. But Meltzerboy, you, more than anyone, should be more upset, since there are many Muslims in the near-east who want to murder every single Jewish soul in the world. Its a tragedy, but since they have refused dialogue so far, what outcome is there?

-MontChevalier

Montchevalier, I know many on this Forum will disagree; however, I view those Muslims who believe in the annihilation of the Jews to be ignorant of their own religious teaching and moral values.

 

[Jeffgo]

I’m wondering what the Muslim response would be to the argument that I outlined previously, namely:

Premise: The Bible contradicts the Koran, ergo, one must be in error.

Premise: Many Muslims propose that the Bible has become corrupted, and that the Koran is a purer revelation, and therefore supersedes the Bible.

Conclusion: According to Islam, Divine Revelation can become corrupted, and further revelation is needed to correct it.

But, if Divine Revelation can become corrupted in this manner, how do we know that the Koran isn’t corrupted? What assurance do we have that Islam is the true religion? How do we know that it hasn’t fallen into error, like the other “Religions of the Book” that, according to Islam, have fallen into error?

 

[Amer_Was_Amazed]

I’m no expert on Islam, so please correct anything in this post that is untrue.

I’m an ex-Muslim, and let me tell you something that no Muslim will tell you: the Quran has been corrupted. Even early on, at least two major variations arose, the Hafs and Warsh, and these two are the basis for most of the translations of the Quran at once. Hafs and Warsh have differences in some of the words, pronunciations, and even differences in verse structure and other things. This kind of goes against the Quran being the infallible word of God if you ask me. I would say I agree that most of what you put is the Sunni version of Islam, although I didn’t read it all due to lack of time.

To me, of the main reasons I left Islam is because I see it as a copy of Judaic and Christian beliefs, mixed with other stuff. Read the Quran a couple of times, all of you, I encourage you to do this, and then read Genesis through Exodus at least. You will be AMAZED at the similarities. What is there in the Quran, of significance, that has not already been revealed somewhere else beforehand.

By the way, for every Catholic, did you know Mary the Mother of God was also the sister of Aaron? If you’re a Muslim you sure do. Here’s why:

19:1 KH’YA’S’
19:2 A reminder of the mercy of your Lord to His servant Zachariah.
19:3 When he called out to his Lord secretly.
19:4 He said: “My Lord, my bones have gone frail, and my hair has turned white, and I have never been mischievous in imploring You my Lord.”
19:5 “And I fear the kinfolk after I am gone, and my wife is infertile, so grant me from Yourself an ally.”
19:6 “To inherit from me, and inherit from the descendants of Jacob. And make him my Lord, well pleasing.”
19:7 “O Zachariah, We give you glad tidings of a son whose name is John. We have not given that name before to anyone.”
19:8 He said: “My Lord, how can I have a son when my wife is infertile, and I have reached a very old age?”
19:9 He said: “It is such that your Lord has said. It is an easy thing for Me. And I had created you before, when you were not a thing.”
19:10 He said: “My Lord, make for me a sign.” He said: “Your sign is that you will not speak to the people for three nights consecutively.”
19:11 So he went out among his people from the temple enclosure, and he indicated to them that they should glorify Him at dawn and dusk.
19:12 “O John, take the Book with confidence.” And We gave him authority while in his youth.
19:13 And tenderness from Us, and purity, and he was ever righteous.
19:14 And dutiful to his parents, and never was he a disobedient tyrant.
19:15 And peace be upon him the day he was born, and the day he dies, and the Day he is resurrected alive.
19:16 And relate in the Book, Mary, when she withdrew herself from her family to a place which was to the east.
19:17 So she took a barrier to separate her from them, so We sent Our Spirit to her, and he took on the shape of a human being in all similarity.

continued on next post…sorry!

 

[Amer_Was_Amazed]

here’s the rest…

19:18 She said: “I seek refuge with the Almighty from you if you are righteous.”
19:19 He said: “I am the messenger of your Lord, to grant you the gift of a pure son.”
19:20 She said: “How can I have a son when no human being has been with me, nor have I desired such?”
19:21 He said: “It is such that your Lord has said, it is easy for Me. And We shall make him a sign for the people and a mercy from Us. It is a matter already ordained.”
19:22 So she was pregnant with him, and she went to deliver in a far place.
19:23 Then the birth pains came to her, by the trunk of a palm tree. She said: “I wish I had died before this, and became totally forgotten!”
19:24 But then he called to her from beneath her: “Do not be sad, your Lord has made below you a stream.”
19:25 “And shake the trunk of this palm tree, it will cause ripe dates to fall upon you.”
19:26 “So eat and drink and be happy. If you see any human being, then say: ‘I have vowed an abstinence for the Almighty, so I will not talk today to any of mankind.’”
19:27 Then she came to her people carrying him. They said: “O Mary, you have come with a thing totally unexpected!”
19:28 “O sister of Aaron, your father was not a wicked man, and your mother has never been unchaste!”
19:29 So she pointed to him. They said: “How can we talk to someone who is a child in a cradle?”
19:30 He said: “I am a servant of God, He has given me the Book and made me a prophet.”
19:31 “And He has made me blessed wherever I am, and He has charged me with the contact prayer and purification as long as I am alive.”
19:32 “And to be dutiful to my mother, and He has not made me a mischievous tyrant.”
19:33 “And peace be upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the Day I am resurrected alive.”
19:34 Such was Jesus, son of Mary, and this is the truth of the matter in which they doubt.

Pay special attention to Sura 19: Ayat 28: Sister of Aaron…

Aaron’s brother was Moses, and they shared a sister by the name of Mary or a variation of that, who was the same Mary that rebelled against Moses along with Aaron and was punished by God and send out of the encampment for 7 days, if I recall correctly.

This same Mary, in the Quran, is regarded to be the Mother of Jesus. This alone is evidence enough to close the Quran question forever. I personally plan on doing a deeper study of the Quran and most of all the “scientific miracles” within it soon. I will try to keep you posted when I get enough time, God willing.

May Jesus bless you all

and I respect you for showing respect to Muslims and their holy book, even though we obviously don’t believe it’s true, because nothing pushes anyone away more than hearing insults aimed at them and the things they consider most important in their lives. And to all Muslims, I understand many of the problems you have with Christianity, for I was once the strongest and most insluting opponent, but when you look and ask genuinely it will all be made clear to you. Selam

 

[Amer_Was_Amazed]

I have always been confused by the argument that the Qur’án is a linguistic miracle. It is a remarkable text, and in some places the Arabic is amazingly beautiful, especially the Meccan surahs. (I do read classical Arabic). The Surah of Yusuf (Joseph) is something every sincere Christian should read, if only to understand the depth and beauty that can be found in parts of the Qur’án. If you read it, and then read the account of Joseph in Genesis, you will see how amazingly close they are.

But to the question why Islam is false, it is simply that it denies the Holy Trinity, and Sonship of Jesus Christ. The Qur’án does not address the Eucharist at all. Consider the state of Christianity at the time of Muhammad. There was only the one Monophysite schism, and Christianity was the Church without much of the sophistication we know today. The Eucharist was, if anything, more important in this time than it is now. And yet the Qur’án makes not the slightest reference to it, even to refute its value.

Let me be clear here, there are many examples of very fine people who live saintly lives inspired by the Qur’án. There is no reason to say that Muslims are less good than followers of the Gospel. Both religions have had their fanatical nut cases. But as a Christian, I have no alternative to recognizing the falsity of Islam.

Excellent points, and you are absolutely right. There is good and bad in every walk of life, in every race, color, and creed, and just because someone claims to believe and follow something does not mean they do. Btw, where did you learn Classical Arabic? I’ve tried finding a good tool for this but never find one good enough. And I agree that the Meccan surahs are much more pleasing to read; the Medinian ones get much more violent and serious.

Thanks

 

[MartinJordan]

Hey AWA, isn’t it true that in the Quran, Moses is taken out of the water and given to Pharaoh’s wife?

Any idea how that came about?

MJ