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Reuben_J
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Unless you are a troll, you cannot be serious. Sorry, Mohammad is not a prophet in Christianity.
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MartinJordan
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As far as I am aware there is no mention of the prophet of Islam. Infact some notes from -
NOSTRA AETATEAND THE QUESTIONS IT CHOSE TO LEAVE OPEN
DANIELA. MADIGAN SJ
Institute for the Study of Religions and Cultures Pontificia Università Gregoriana
Roma
In the groundbreaking documents of the Council one finds no mention of the Prophet of Islam or the scripture attributed to his ministry. Nostra Aetate in its positive comments on Muslim religiosity gives no sense at all that this faith has a founder and a history. And since time of the Council that hesitancy about responding could hardly be said to have diminished…
So NA has only a charitable mention for Muslims. Id say therefore, their founder is nowhere to be considered as holding some sort of validity as a prophet.
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Reuben_J
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Yes, MJ, how right you are.
It was a very sweeping statement when the poster said, “All you Catholics on here who say Islam is “wrong” are going against the teachings of your faith,” and continued to refer to the Nostra Aetate. It might be rude to say that he was ignorant but perhaps he was just trying to be naughty, thus I was using the word trolling. To call Catholics are against the teaching of their faith just because they do not agree with Islam is simply a cheap accusation to my mind.
Yes, it may be that non-Catholics are often confused about the Nostra Aetate and CCC 841 because of the charitable mention for Muslims but this does not mean that we agree with Islam.
Yes, there are good attributes of Islam as there are of other religions, I think there is a thread on Buddhism below, that are similar to Christianity but by no means their theologies are acceptable to Christianity as a whole.
In Islam, there are many Islamic beliefs that are contrary to Christianity, primarily on Jesus, the Trinity and on such things as marriages and even on our diet.
The only thing that CCC 814 is saying is that Muslims worship the one God and that too has to be understood strictly that there is only one God.
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MartinJordan
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Yes, MJ, how right you are.
To call Catholics are against the teaching of their faith just because they do not agree with Islam is simply a cheap accusation to my mind.
Yes, it may be that non-Catholics are often confused about the Nostra Aetate and CCC 841 because of the charitable mention for Muslims but this does not mean that we agree with Islam.
The only thing that CCC 814 is saying is that Muslims worship the one God and that too has to be understood strictly that there is only one God.
Peace.
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ComeHome2Rome
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Did you read paragraph 3 of the link to the Vatican document the poster gave?
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bzkoss236
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Yes, but it didn’t say that Islam is right. All it does is acknowledge the fact that they worship the same God. But it also shows how they do not acknowledge Christ as the Son of God.
When we say Islam is wrong, we don’t mean they don’t have any truth at all, but rather an incomplete truth. Anything that is not 100% right is essentially wrong. Having more truth than fallacies is a good thing, but that doesn’t make it right.
So, saying Islam is wrong does not go against our faith or the Church’s teachings.
I agree, as the Church does, that they worship the same God, the God of Abraham, but because they do not have the same understanding of God and Christ as we do, and that I believe Catholicism to be wholly true, that Islam is false.
Side note: I find it interesting that your username is ComeHome2Rome, but your religion is set as Orthodox. And “Come Home to Rome” is basically the mantra of the New Evangelization, or at least for the Catholics Come Home Network.
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Reuben_J
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Hi. The poster referred to The Nostra Aetate, the relation of the Catholic Church to non-Christian religions. I am quite familiar with this document; more so it has been discussed many times in various threads here in CAF. This thread has had 25 posts so far. It is good to address a specific post that may against the teaching of the Catholic Church but the poster did not. He said - all you Catholics who said Islam is wrong are against your church’s teaching. How is that?
BTW, what do you want discussed? What is that in para three of the Nostra Aetate that you want me to address? I will be glad to oblige if I am able to.
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JamesCaruso
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Rather than single out Islam, I would answer that salvation is through Jesus Christ alone, and there is no other way.
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TEPO
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You are actually quite mistaken. Catholics and Muslims are encouraged to work together on social justice issues, but the two religions are not equally true since there are differences… There can’t be two truths -only one.
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Steve_Jay
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Hello mlamg
how much of that document did you actually read? It makes it clear that the church teaches Christ crucified and will not move away from doing so.
We have two ways of speaking the truth. With love or with hatred. Love has the greater understanding. Muslims did not choose how they are born. They chose their parents no more than I chose mine. Many muslims have the right attitude but aren’t aware that they don’t have the truth. Many don’t even get to hear the truth. That’s no fault of their own.
The lesson for us is that we who have heard are greatly privileged. Not a birth right by any means.
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arabic_catholic
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because the Quran , which according to muslims is word of God, stole stories from fabrication books or fake stories ! that is like if I claimed to be a prophet and that my book is divine , and I mention the story of superman as a holy follower of God… you will know that I am not a prophet , and my book is not divine , since God cannot make such a mistake ; superman was fiction ; thus the quran made similar mistakes by quoting fabrication stories . unfortunately , those stories were legends of their time which allah mistakenly copied into his divine text.
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JamesCaruso
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The Church is right in bringing forth all that we have in common with other religions and asking it’s members to focus on the positive in relating to our brothers of other faiths. It does not in so doing negate its teaching that the Catholic Church is the one, true church of Christ. As the Catholic Catechism says: The social duty of Christians is to respect and awaken in each man the love of the true and the good. It requires them to make known the worship of the one true religion which subsists in the Catholic and apostolic Church.
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Eric_Hyom
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I don’t want to argue about ‘truth’ but I do admire the way Muslims pray five times a day, they seem to take fasting, modesty and usury far more seriously than we seem to.
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JamesCaruso
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Fasting seems to be a lost art for Christians. I am making my umpteenth attempt at it now during lent. I believe it is a necessary and missing ingredient for balanced Christian life and development in America-- I say America, because there are signs that it is woefully missing here, myself being a prime example.
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Kush
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the truth is this:
nobody’s right, nobody’s wrong… There is not a shred of proff on earth that proves the existance of either Jesus, Mohomad, or even a god.
These are teachings you should be learning from - and none of this is meant to be a debate on “who is more right than the other”.
Can you ever see Jesus sitting around trying to point out someone elses “falacies”?
nobody’s right, nobody’s wrong… There is not a shred of proff on earth that proves the existance of either Jesus, Mohomad, or even a god.
These are teachings you should be learning from - and none of this is meant to be a debate on “who is more right than the other”.
Can you ever see Jesus sitting around trying to point out someone elses “falacies”?
meltzerboy
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Really? Not a single shred of proof or, let us say, evidence that Jesus and Muhammad existed? The existence of G-d by means of evidence is another issue.
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Reuben_J
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I see you listed as your religion - Catholic, Buddhist, Spiritual. That perhaps explains your post. There are many ways to reach the top of the mountain, as long as one reaches it and all the ways are good. Often heard that too.
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Kush
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Sorry, let me correct myself. I do not know much about Muhammad. I know he was a teacher like Jesus… but I don’t know about his true origins. Jesus however has never been proven. its just a story. Please don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying anything bad about either. The Jesus story is how I try to live my life.
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JamesCaruso
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I thought you said there wasn’t a shred of evidence that he even existed! Now you’re asking us to imagine He did and what He would be doing.
The fact is, there are tons of evidence. You might start by reading the Bible, which contains more than a few clues. But there are other forms of evidence as well-- Josephus the historian, and the writings of the early Church fathers. Somehow I don’t get this conspiracy to make us think a nonexistent person really existed.
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