Why is it better to believe without seeing?

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I didn’t know about Bobby Jindal’s experience, thanks for that link.
It’s probably not the right intention, but I would be very willing to witness a sanctioned exorcism. I guess whatever faith I have, I view as psychological wish fulfillment. I need to experience the supernatural with my own sense organs.

Anyways, we’re straying again from the OP’s question.
Don’t mean to continue off topic, but in a way, we really aren’t.

Much has been written of the “dark night of the soul” - that spiritual condition some enter into when we are advancing in prayer and in our spiritual journey. Susan Muto wrote a companion book - a paraphrasing, if you will, of St. John of the Cross and his spiritual deprivation of the senses called “John of the Cross for Today.” There is much in this book about entering the night of sense and spirit, sensory testing, and our own powerlessness as we encounter pure spirit. Although it is meant as spiritual direction for those on this level, you may be able to relate to this book. It also explains pure faith as a sort of transcendent dimension (wouldn’t that be believing without seeing?) and how this needs to be attained by letting go of our illusory subsititues.
 
Don’t mean to continue off topic, but in a way, we really aren’t.

Much has been written of the “dark night of the soul” - that spiritual condition some enter into when we are advancing in prayer and in our spiritual journey.
Great post! I do not know 'Why it is better to believe without seeing?’ I was thinking a few days ago though about the difficult and confusing situation in Israel/Palestine. Surely, the will of God for our country applies even in this instance and God can guide our leaders to choose the greatest good according to his will!! :confused: Yet, as far as I know, he has yet to appear in a blantantly obvious way to President Barack Obama or President Bush. And would we want him to? Is there any human freedom left if one knows God’s perfect will? To whom much has been given, much will be expected".

Are we in between the angels? Most of us might not conform so perfectly to the will of God as an angel? Obeying the will of God can be described as “willing slavery” and has been so described by St. Louis Marie Grignon de Montfort and the apostles. As a result, perhaps it is out of love for us that God allows us some doubt in knowing his will; in some sense we are still free to choose the extent to which and how we do we enter into slavery and maybe the saints who most fully know God’s will as St. Maria Faustina are also the ones who are most fully united with him, “on the Cross between Heaven and Earth”, as she said of herself, the most enslaved, so they may also be the ones who experience the most happiness from doing the will of God, the ones who truly and genuinely value this willing slavery!!

Maybe if we don’t find the answers we seek here, here is a thought: Going back to the student analogy, say we want to ask Christ theologically profound questions - to practice Mysticism (exploring the Mystery of Christ)… Do we act with as much respect and devotion to God as we would act to our research advisors when pursing a PhD in Electrical Engineering at MIT or Harvard? How would a Noble Prize winning Professor of Physics at MIT react if an interested student, who didn’t go to MIT, started badgering him by email with questions demanding an answer? Now Christ is infinitely more loving than this Professor so perhaps he will be kinder, but given that he created that Professor as well as physics and is infinitely more deserving of respect than he, how best might we act to seek answers. :eek:

Resources on Mysticism:
St. John of the Cross (One of the 33 Doctors of the Church, * Mystic Doctor *)
Ascent of Mount Carmel: ccel.org/ccel/john_cross/ascent.ii.vii.html
Dark Night of the Soul: (p.s. it may be possible that the movie Dark Knight is a least partially inspired by this work - the themes are almost exactly the same to my limited and imperfect understanding) ccel.org/ccel/john_cross/dark_night.html
Spiritual Canticle: karmel.at/ics/john/cn.html
The Living Flame of Love: karmel.at/ics/john/fl.html

St. Teresa of Avila (his student as well as founder of the Discalced Carmelites, the order of His Holiness Pope John Paul II to the best of my knowledge)
The Life of St. Teresa of Avila: catholicfirst.com/TheFaith/CatholicClassics/StTeresa/life/teresaofavila.cfm
The Way of Perfection catholicfirst.com/TheFaith/CatholicClassics/StTeresa/way/wayofperfection.cfm
Interior Castle: sacred-texts.com/chr/tic/index.htm

St. John of the Cross "Seek in reading and you will find in meditation, knock in prayer and it will be opened to you in contemplation.

I have not yet read Interior Castle, but perhaps just as we must do well in high school - perhaps take and do well in AP and IB classes - go to the best college possible and do well - perhaps receive an honors in a scientific subject and do undergraduate research - then go to a PhD program and take classes under a Professor that we wish to work under and humbly read his articles to gain mastery of his field, then perhaps maybe we have the chance of working under him as his dissertation student although it is still up to his whim despite all the effort in the world, we might do well to pursue God the same way in our search for answers.

The first commandment is “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, and soul.” Almost all of the time I fail in doing this, placing my own will above that of the Lord’s. 😦 Perhaps learning how to become Interior Castle’s might make us worthy of mysticsm and we may find answers to questions such as these.

Another thought on believing without seeing, perhaps Christ wants us to see deeper that with human senses. Over the last few months, as I’ve attempted to fully devote myself to Daily Rosary, Divine Mercy Chaplet, Daily Mass, Confession, Spiritual reading and acts of charity, I sometimes have a supernatural sense of things, for example I send an email to someone on my mind who reveals that she has been constantly thinking of me for the last few days, I have a dream about facebook and I open my email and, within the hour of my dream, two religious strangers that I’ve never met are facebooking/adding me for the first time I’ve been added in months. I struggle with the sin of unforgiveness, confess it to my priest, read the book of Jonah from the perspective of the Saints and the Jewish rabbis, litteralchristianlibrary.wetpaint.com/page/Jonah+Chapter+3
and the next day I read an excerpt from St. Maria Faustina in her Diary Divine Mercy in My Soul where Christ tells her to focus on the book of Jonah.

A beautiful Christian Song: Open the Eyes of My Heart youtube.com/watch?v=wutmEjdbedE&feature=related may be a clue to the benefits of believing without seeing.
 
Diary of St. Maria Faustina Divine Mercy in My Soul saint-faustina.com/Diary/DMIMS1.shtml
What have I done with my baptism and confirmation?
Is Christ truly the centre of my life?
Do I make room for daily prayer?
Do I live my life as a vocation and mission?
Christ continues to remind us: “You are the salt of the earth… You are the light of the world… Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven” (Mt 5:13, 14, 16)
  1. The vocation and mission of the lay faithful can be understood only in the light of a renewed awareness of the Church, which “is in the nature of a scarament - a sign and instrument, that is, of communion with God and of unity among all men” (Lumen gentium, n. 1), and of one’s personal duty to adhere more firmly to her. The Church is a mystery of communion which originates in the life of the Blessed Trinity.
vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/speeches/documents/hf_jp-ii_spe_20001125_jubilee-laity_en.html
From: Message of John Paul II to Cardinal J. Francis Stafford, President of the Pontifical Council for the Laity, on the occassion of the congress of the Catholic Laity

unborn babies, St. Josephine Bakhita, St. Martin de Porres, Venerable Pierre Touissant, St. Edith Stein, Sr. Lucy of Fatima, St. Therese of Liseux, St. Teresa of Avila, St. John of the Cross, St. Margaret Mary Alacoque, St. Maximilian Maria, St. Maria Faustina, St. Louis Mary Grignon de Montfort, St. Alphonsus Mary de Liguori, St. Bonaventure, St. Francis of Assisi, St. Dominic, St. Vincent de Paul, Mother Teresa, Archbishop Oscar Romero, St. Dympha, St. Elizabeth Ann Seton, Archangel Michael, Archangel Raphael, Archangel Gabriel,may you pray to the Mother of the Word for us!!

May the Holy Spirit through the Mother of the Word grant us the graces that we most desperately need!! May the LOVE and MERCY of the Sacred Heart of Jesus overflow in this world and in our hearts!! May the WONDERS of the Mother of the Word come to our aid!!

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *

Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse.

For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world!

O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us!

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *
 
I didn’t know about Bobby Jindal’s experience, thanks for that link.
It’s probably not the right intention, but I would be very willing to witness a sanctioned exorcism. I guess whatever faith I have, I view as psychological wish fulfillment. I need to experience the supernatural with my own sense organs.
Unbeknownst to yourself, you do experience the supernatural all the time. You are just unfamiliar with how to recognize it.

The reason you are unfamiliar with how to recognize it is that you come from a “spiritual tradition” whose basic premise is that the supernatural doesn’t exist. Therefore, recognizing the existence of what “officially” doesn’t exist is a practical impossibility.

You’ve been trained to see the supernatural as a “ridiculous mask” of what it actually is. The “mask” never appears to you, or to anyone for that matter, and therefore they, the mask mistaken for the reality masked by the mask as well as the actual unmasked thing, do not exist for you to experience.

Until this mask can be “gotten around”, which won’t be done by your doing, other than by your sincere desirous asking for help (from God), experiencing the (actual) supernatural will continue to be definitionally impossible for you.

But, your being here is proof that you’re working up to being more and more desirous of sincerely asking for the help you need! 🙂

So, there’s hope! Best to you in your pursuit.

:shamrock2:
 
Another shot at the OP’s question. Maybe if we knew everything we would be subjected to God’s immediate and perfect judgment, and we fall short.
#1332 Second day. As I was meditating on the sin of the Angels and their immediate punishment, I asked Jesus why the Angels had been punished as soon as they had sinned. I heard a voice: Because of their profound knowledge of God. No person on earth, even though a great saint, has such knowledge of God as an Angel has. Nevertheless, to me who am so miserable, You have shown Your mercy, O God, and this, time and time again. You carry me in the bosom of Your mercy and forgive me every time that I ask Your forgiveness with a contrite heart.
saint-faustina.com/Diary/DMIMS27.shtml

Thank God for infinite, all encompassing mercy! God is greatly comforted when we return to the faith. There is more rejoicing over one person who returns to the faith than ninety-nine who have no need of repentance.
1182 + Today the Lord said to me, My daughter, My pleasure and delight, nothing will stop Me from granting you graces. Your misery does not hinder My mercy. My daughter, write that the greater the misery of a soul, the greater its right to my mercy. [urge] all souls to trust in the unfathomable abyss of My mercy, because I want to save them all. On the cross, the fountain of My mercy was opened wide by the lance for all souls-no one have I excluded!
saint-faustina.com/Diary/DMIMS24.shtml

Come now, let us set things right, says the LORD.Though your sins be scarlet, they may become white as snow;Though they be crimson red, they may become white as wool.Isaiah 1:18

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *

Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse.

For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world!

O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us!

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *
 
Answer from St. John of the Cross in this thread: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=301085

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *

Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse.

For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world!

O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us!

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *
 
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