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CompSciGuy
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Or we could just both agree to not use highly offensive words and discourage others from doing so. That would be the best course of action to take.
Why is it not considered racist when an African-American calls a Caucasian-American a "cracker"?
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Corki
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I think there is a difference because of the roots. Redneck refers to farmers - an honorable way of making a living. The C word refers to slave-owners a very dishonorable association.I think that would depend on where you are from. I’m from a small, southern farming town and the majority of white people I know from there are proud to be rednecks. I was one of the odd balls who didn’t like it. I was one of the preppy kids, though. I only did farm work when I was in trouble.
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Nimzovik
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From the link dictionary.reference.com/browse/people+of+color
**people of color **
*noun *a race with skin pigmentation different from the white race (especially Blacks) [syn:[/COLOR] color]
WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University.
[Cite This Source](http://dictionary.reference.com/cite.html?qh=people of color&ia=wn)
Note the ‘especially’ word.
and from the Urban Dictionary:
1. people of color
51 up, 21 down Pinko, PC or Bolshevik** term for all non-white minorities**, lumped together and viewed as cannon fodder for some revolution or voting cattle for the Democrat party. See diversity.
The speaker said, “We need to make certain that people of color are well-represented on the Board of Directors.”
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From the link:
urbandictionary.com/
So apparently the answer is indeed yes! Yes meanings do change.
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Nimzovik
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Yes. I just wish people would just behave too!
Unfortunately, the Democrats make an industry out of race baiting IMHO.
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Nimzovik
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Even** if** so… there are way too many that do indeed take offense at the term. Indeed! There are way too many that wish to give offense by employing the term.
So. If PC for* some* - then PC for** all**.
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LegoGE1947
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I have always found it fascinating to hear a person who is fresh off the boat from Africa speaking proper Queen’s English and not talking in slang like many southern blacks! Although I have also run into those who’re born and raised in the US who also don’t use slang and it just blows me away! (I’m from a small, rural community in Northern Illinois where over 90% of the residents were caucasian and I never met many Blacks until I joined the Navy). To me they’re just “folks”.
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KendraDZ1902
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The guy said he would report if someone called him a redneck and I was explaining that in different areas that wouldn’t be the case.
Redneck didn’t start out as an honorable term.
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Raskolnikov
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I’d speculate that part of the reason why white people feel less offended by ‘cracker’ than black people do by the ‘N-word’ is because white people are historically less likely to identify with their race. Often ‘white people’ think of themselves rather as Irish-, Italian-, or Polish-American instead. Now, this has probably changed much because of the largely completed assimilation of European ethnic groups, but from what I’ve heard, just a few decades ago a typical Italian-American would probably have been more offended at being called a ‘guinea’ or another pejorative for Italians than at being called a cracker.
In any case, this fact is somewhat ironic since most white people are not primarily descended (if descended at all) from slave-owners or even from white people who lived in the country before 1865. Most of us rather come from immigrants were largely themselves slaves (serfs) or peasants before migrating. Hence why the notion of Americans of European descent having collective guilt over America’s past is rather ill-founded. Indeed, the earliest ancestor I have in this country came here just in time to get drafted into the Union during the Civil War. Not necessarily what I would consider privilege.
In any case, this fact is somewhat ironic since most white people are not primarily descended (if descended at all) from slave-owners or even from white people who lived in the country before 1865. Most of us rather come from immigrants were largely themselves slaves (serfs) or peasants before migrating. Hence why the notion of Americans of European descent having collective guilt over America’s past is rather ill-founded. Indeed, the earliest ancestor I have in this country came here just in time to get drafted into the Union during the Civil War. Not necessarily what I would consider privilege.
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Tarpeian
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Bravo!!
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Raskolnikov
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One of my high school classmates was born to African parents who I believe lived a in a middle class area, and he learned to speak English utterly without an African American accent. He sounded just like Caucasians sound. I wonder if he even identified with “African Americans” in general. His cultural ties were either actual African (I don’t remember which country in particular) or ‘white’ middle class American. I imagine this is sort of a situation African immigrants to the US these days find themselves in. They could integrate into America’s established black community, but most identify not with being “African-American” but with either their specific home countries or with Americans in general. I imagine some African immigrants wholly intend to just assimilate into the general population, or into what some might call ‘middle class white America…’I have always found it fascinating to hear a person who is fresh off the boat from Africa speaking proper Queen’s English and not talking in slang like many southern blacks! Although I have also run into those who’re born and raised in the US who also don’t use slang and it just blows me away! (I’m from a small, rural community in Northern Illinois where over 90% of the residents were caucasian and I never met many Blacks until I joined the Navy). To me they’re just “folks”.
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The prosecution was trying to say that Zimmerman provoked Martin to attack him because Zimmerman followed Martin. The Zimmerman defense argued that someone following you isn’t justification for physically attacking them. So the prosecution, in trying to make a case out of Zimmerman following and arguing that that was the reason for Trayvon attacking him, they were admitting that Trayvon was the one who initiated the physical attack. I was watching the court coverage as it played on the news. The defense tried to make Zimmerman out to be a racist just because he uttered a few cuss words. But, unlike Trayvon calling Zimmerman a “creepy cracker”, Zimmerman’s cuss words were not racial slurs.
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Tarpeian
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Below is a brief summary of a homily I listened to earlier in the week. Very timely indeed. I have the link, if anyone wants to listen to it in its entirety. I hope I conveyed the thrust of his message.
Paula Deen offended an “organized pressure group” who has designated itself victim somehow. Then they have to be recognized as such by the secular press. When you sin against such a group, you’re act cries to heaven for vengeance in this case, the New York Times, or any other news outlet. You commit the “unforgivable” sin, and its alway’s mortal, and no amount of mea culpa’s can expunge it, as is the case for Paula Deen. She offended the “group identity commandment,” that secular society has set up. We live in a secular society that has crazy values. As faithful Catholics, it is necessary, that we recognize what these are, and not fall for them.
A recent example was Vice President Biden and the Jews. Sometimes merely mentioning something, that could be used adversely against an “identity pressure victim group” can get you in trouble. Biden praised what he called, “the outsized influence of the Jews.” “You make up eleven percent of the congress, I bet you eighty-five percent of the recent social changes we’ve experienced, wether it’s in Hollywood or social media, are the consequences of jewish leadership in this country. That influence is immense, immense, and I might add it’s all to the good.” (This is debatable, emphasis mine.)
Now the Catholic Joe Biden in good standing, with Holy Mother Church
even though he was praising Jews, he had committed an offense. Many of the Jewish pressure groups, were worried that it confirmed conspiracy theories, and it raised the vector of anti-semitism, the other great crime.
Another famous case violating the “identity commandment” happened a few years ago in Washington D.C… The word niggardly is a very old english word. In comes from Norwegian, it means, grudgingly or stingingly. It has absolutely nothing to do with race. The aid to the mayor used it, and a black member of the city council took offense, because he didn’t know what the word meant. Probably because he was a product of government school. The aid had to resign, but because he belonged to another “identity victim pressure group” he was reinstated.
What does not offend however against this “identity commandment,” is the fact, that at the very same time the Paula Deen controversy was unfolding, the New York Times reviewed a new opera premiered in San Francisco. It was entitled, “The Gospel Of Mary Magdalene,” it blasphemes Our Lord, it pours filth on Our Blessed Mother, and Saint Mary Magdalene. It’s impure in its content. The only serious complaint the reviewer had was, the music was not sufficiently “lyrical.” There are no victims here, and no punishments offered up.You see how it works hypocritical indeed.
We live in the world, but every Catholic must see everything through a True Catholic Identity. And it’s because of Our Faith, not because we belong to some self created “identity group,” that we can remain free from such error.
Pax,
Tarpeian
Paula Deen offended an “organized pressure group” who has designated itself victim somehow. Then they have to be recognized as such by the secular press. When you sin against such a group, you’re act cries to heaven for vengeance in this case, the New York Times, or any other news outlet. You commit the “unforgivable” sin, and its alway’s mortal, and no amount of mea culpa’s can expunge it, as is the case for Paula Deen. She offended the “group identity commandment,” that secular society has set up. We live in a secular society that has crazy values. As faithful Catholics, it is necessary, that we recognize what these are, and not fall for them.
A recent example was Vice President Biden and the Jews. Sometimes merely mentioning something, that could be used adversely against an “identity pressure victim group” can get you in trouble. Biden praised what he called, “the outsized influence of the Jews.” “You make up eleven percent of the congress, I bet you eighty-five percent of the recent social changes we’ve experienced, wether it’s in Hollywood or social media, are the consequences of jewish leadership in this country. That influence is immense, immense, and I might add it’s all to the good.” (This is debatable, emphasis mine.)
Now the Catholic Joe Biden in good standing, with Holy Mother Church
even though he was praising Jews, he had committed an offense. Many of the Jewish pressure groups, were worried that it confirmed conspiracy theories, and it raised the vector of anti-semitism, the other great crime.Another famous case violating the “identity commandment” happened a few years ago in Washington D.C… The word niggardly is a very old english word. In comes from Norwegian, it means, grudgingly or stingingly. It has absolutely nothing to do with race. The aid to the mayor used it, and a black member of the city council took offense, because he didn’t know what the word meant. Probably because he was a product of government school. The aid had to resign, but because he belonged to another “identity victim pressure group” he was reinstated.
What does not offend however against this “identity commandment,” is the fact, that at the very same time the Paula Deen controversy was unfolding, the New York Times reviewed a new opera premiered in San Francisco. It was entitled, “The Gospel Of Mary Magdalene,” it blasphemes Our Lord, it pours filth on Our Blessed Mother, and Saint Mary Magdalene. It’s impure in its content. The only serious complaint the reviewer had was, the music was not sufficiently “lyrical.” There are no victims here, and no punishments offered up.You see how it works hypocritical indeed.
We live in the world, but every Catholic must see everything through a True Catholic Identity. And it’s because of Our Faith, not because we belong to some self created “identity group,” that we can remain free from such error.
Pax,
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Nimzovik
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LivingWordUnity wrote:
The prosecution was trying to say that Zimmerman provoked Martin to attack him because Zimmerman followed Martin. The Zimmerman defense argued that someone following you isn’t justification for physically attacking them. So the prosecution, in trying to make a case out of Zimmerman following and arguing that that was the reason for Trayvon attacking him, they were admitting that Trayvon was the one who initiated the physical attack. I was watching the court coverage as it played on the news. The defense tried to make Zimmerman out to be a racist just because he uttered a few cuss words. But, unlike Trayvon calling Zimmerman a “creepy cracker”, Zimmerman’s cuss words were not racial slurs.
Nimzovik Responds:
Exactly. The collective guilt imputed to Caucasians by the Liberal Media is a powerful mechanism that results in racism being practiced against Caucasians.
This is undeniable IMHO.
Two wrongs never make a right.
The prosecution was trying to say that Zimmerman provoked Martin to attack him because Zimmerman followed Martin. The Zimmerman defense argued that someone following you isn’t justification for physically attacking them. So the prosecution, in trying to make a case out of Zimmerman following and arguing that that was the reason for Trayvon attacking him, they were admitting that Trayvon was the one who initiated the physical attack. I was watching the court coverage as it played on the news. The defense tried to make Zimmerman out to be a racist just because he uttered a few cuss words. But, unlike Trayvon calling Zimmerman a “creepy cracker”, Zimmerman’s cuss words were not racial slurs.
Nimzovik Responds:
Exactly. The collective guilt imputed to Caucasians by the Liberal Media is a powerful mechanism that results in racism being practiced against Caucasians.
This is undeniable IMHO.
Two wrongs never make a right.
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Nimzovik
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Well said.Below is a brief summary of a homily I listened to earlier in the week. Very timely indeed. I have the link, if anyone wants to listen to it in its entirety. I hope I conveyed the thrust of his message.
Paula Deen offended an “organized pressure group” who has designated itself victim somehow. Then they have to be recognized as such by the secular press. When you sin against such a group, you’re act cries to heaven for vengeance in this case, the New York Times, or any other news outlet. You commit the “unforgivable” sin, and its alway’s mortal, and no amount of mea culpa’s can expunge it, as is the case for Paula Deen. She offended the “group identity commandment,” that secular society has set up. We live in a secular society that has crazy values. As faithful Catholics, it is necessary, that we recognize what these are, and not fall for them.
A recent example was Vice President Biden and the Jews. Sometimes merely mentioning something, that could be used adversely against an “identity pressure victim group” can get you in trouble. Biden praised what he called, “the outsized influence of the Jews.” “You make up eleven percent of the congress, I bet you eighty-five percent of the recent social changes we’ve experienced, wether it’s in Hollywood or social media, are the consequences of jewish leadership in this country. That influence is immense, immense, and I might add it’s all to the good.” (This is debatable, emphasis mine.)
Now the Catholic Joe Biden in good standing, with Holy Mother Church
Another famous case violating the “identity commandment” happened a few years ago in Washington D.C… The word niggardly is a very old english word. In comes from Norwegian, it means, grudgingly or stingingly. It has absolutely nothing to do with race. The aid to the mayor used it, and a black member of the city council took offense, because he didn’t know what the word meant. Probably because he was a product of government school. The aid had to resign, but because he belonged to another “identity victim pressure group” he was reinstated.
What does not offend however against this “identity commandment,” is the fact, that at the very same time the Paula Deen controversy was unfolding, the New York Times reviewed a new opera premiered in San Francisco. It was entitled, “The Gospel Of Mary Magdalene,” it blasphemes Our Lord, it pours filth on Our Blessed Mother, and Saint Mary Magdalene. It’s impure in its content. The only serious complaint the reviewer had was, the music was not sufficiently “lyrical.” There are no victims here, and no punishments offered up.You see how it works hypocritical indeed.
We live in the world, but every Catholic must see everything through a True Catholic Identity. And it’s because of Our Faith, not because we belong to some self created “identity group,” that we can remain free from such error.
Pax,
Tarpeian
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Nimzovik
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Quite correct.
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livingwordunity
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Here’s an interesting example of the crazy double standard:
A junior-high school Spanish teacher, Petrona Smith, filed a lawsuit alleging that she was fired from P.S. 211 in the Bronx in March 2012 because of a misunderstanding over the word “negro.” The 65-year-old, non-tenured teacher maintains that she was instructing her class about how to say the various basic colors in Spanish. The word “negro” naturally came up because “negro” is the Spanish word for “black.” A seventh-grade student in the class took offense at the term, however, believing the word to be a racial slur. But wait — it gets better. Smith, a native of the West Indies, is herself black. Source
A junior-high school Spanish teacher, Petrona Smith, filed a lawsuit alleging that she was fired from P.S. 211 in the Bronx in March 2012 because of a misunderstanding over the word “negro.” The 65-year-old, non-tenured teacher maintains that she was instructing her class about how to say the various basic colors in Spanish. The word “negro” naturally came up because “negro” is the Spanish word for “black.” A seventh-grade student in the class took offense at the term, however, believing the word to be a racial slur. But wait — it gets better. Smith, a native of the West Indies, is herself black. Source
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Raskolnikov
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I feel like laughing and crying at the same time after reading that. I pity the poor geography teacher who has to show their students the country of Niger on a map of Africa, or the neuroscientist who will some day have to explain (probably to no avail) to some ethics board that his/her use of the term ‘substantia nigra’ was not in fact meant as a pejorative for a heavy-set African American woman.
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Nimzovik
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Oh my* goodness!*
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