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paarsurrey
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They have nothing except a poster of a verse or some from the Bible.
They are peaceful and have good morals.
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They have nothing except a poster of a verse or some from the Bible.
They are peaceful and have good morals.
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paarsurrey
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I don’t think Cross ever was a sign of love of God in the history of religions and the world. God sacrificing his son; who was never a son physically, if God could have sons , then why he did not have any daughters? In my opinion it is only an imagination; nothing more than that.God sacrificing his son is a lesson of cruelty for the human being, in my opinion. I think it should be reformed.
I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna
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Eucharisted
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Like the millions of others down throughout history who don’t like something in the Church and want it removed (the newest trend, it seems, is demanding the Church remove male-only priesthood), you fail to realize that the Church is not going to change - ever. You can complain all you want: it won’t do a dang thing, nor will it make Catholics think twice about their faith and morals. In fact, the only thing complaining dose is give us more ammo to instruct and to pray.
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paarsurrey
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I only want that the Christianity should now at least, if it could not do it earlier and start its journey towards Truth; and for that it should reform, making only Jesus and Mary as their role model. This is easy for other Christians denomination to understand and to Unify. Why should the Catholic believe things which Jesus and Mary never believed in? Why the Catholics should do things Jesus and Mary never did, in my opinion? It is easy to understand and to Unite. This would be the** Second Step **for United Christendom.
The **First Step **is to respect those who say they are Christians and accept them as Christians.
There is no compromise in both these steps; it is accepting what is reasonable and logical, and if it works for Unity, it should be acceptable to Catholics , Protestants, Mormons and JWs etc.
I love Jesus and Mary
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Smber2c
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From what you wrote, I had a little difficulty discerning your opinion, but I like the quote.
1st Corinthians 1:18-31 "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written, “I WILL DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE, AND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE CLEVER I WILL SET ASIDE.”
Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble; but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are, so that no man may boast before God.
But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption, so that, just as it is written, “LET HIM WHO BOASTS, BOAST IN THE LORD.” "
It’s that simple, the cross is the wisdom of God. It was how He saved us. It was His greatest illistration of how to love one another.
It is the actual embodiment of such favorite christian sayings as:
- Take up your cross and follow me.
- Carry your cross.
- Turn the other cheek.
- Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends
To Catholics the crusifixion is simultaniously the act of our salvation (or begginning of the act) and the best example of love for us to copy in accepting our personal salvaion. It tells us our first, intermediate, and final steps: love, suffer/forgive, and sacrifice everything that is required.
This incredible triumph and lesson the cross is too large, too important to put anythere but in prominant view whenever we come together.
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Smber2c
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That’s fine and good, but you are in an incredible minority both in gross numbers and in terms of histories best thinkers. The cross is a symbol of sacrifice. And that sacrifice a offering of greatest love.
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved (John 3:16-17).”
“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you … These things I command you, that ye love one another.” (John 15:9-14, 17)
I do not see what this has to do with anything.
God is God. He didn’t birth sons or daughters; but as Catholic teaching explains, “begot” the son. The three persons of the trinity all have no orgin but simly are. Jesus at this point does have a glorified body with male anatomy, the Father and Holy Spirit don’t have bodies or genders. Whether that body could have been female…I see no way we could possibly know that - let’s ask Him when we get there.
However, simple logic tells us that just because a person can do something, it in no way means that they must.
I respect you right to have an opinion; however, I assert my opinion is that you are wrong. Scriptures, popes, great thinkers, billions world wide, etc…have all agreed that this was truely a noble and selfless sacrifice of love.
Additionally…it cannot be “reformed” baring the creation of a time machine. It’s done and over. There is no way to change the past. Yeah, a better world may have resulted without taking from the tree of good and evil…but we did and God acted to save us despite our insolence.
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athair_siochain
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The cross is a constant reminder of what will happen to us ,if we do not obey the leaders of the church,
Seeing a replica of Jesus nailed to cross , reminds me of mans cruelty to man, reminds me of the members only GOD CLUBS,
Reminds me of the great suffering Jesus went through, we are told he did it for us, so we are blamed for Jesus suffering, …“sorry” we can only blame one group, the group who chose BARABAS, they accused Jesus of the same things , Christians and Jews are blaming Mulims of today, and would you believe they are crucifying the people of Palestine, they have a great cross to bare
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Smber2c
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I can understand different people getting different feelings from the same image. I’m an Ole Miss grad. Some people there say the Rebel Flag (Confederate Battle Flag) reminds them of a time when the south was strong, when states stood up for themselves and faced a great “northern agressor”. Others see racism, slaves, and lynchings. Each have some pretty strong feelings. Personally, I don’t care too much either way on that issue (after all at least a dozen European and American nations fly flags that harbored slavery under them in the past), change them, keep them - I don’t care.
So, I understand that the cross makes you think of mans crulty to man. But, more so, I understand that the cross representing sacrifice to salvation for His billions of followers.
As for “members only GOD CLUBS”…what are you even alluding to? Do Catholics, Protestants, Jews, or anyone no allow blacks/whites/asians/etc… in. Do any of them charge exorbatent fees to convert? The only reason they are “members only” is because they have actual belifs that they expect people to believe.
Objecting to this is like a person objecting to being rejected from a group called “Pink is the best color” after telling the group leaders that blue, green, and red are all actually superior to pink…yeah you can think so, but then you aren’t in the group.
Jesus came to bear the burden of all men’s sins. If you don’t want Him to take yours He won’t force you. But the logic of His offer and our injury to Him are simple.
We all injure God by sinning. He made us for good. We fail, repetedly despite instruction and graces. In injuring others we injure His creation and His loved ones. Even in injuring ourselves we injure God.
But more than anything He wants us to be redeemed and to join Him in heaven. So, God came to redeem all our sins as only God could do. See God had to do it, b/c only God is sinless and a blameless individual is the only one that could take all the blame.
For, if a resturant worker catches a boy stealing and eating a burger and another says, “here have my burger and let that boy go free.” The scales are made even. If the worker catches 2 boys each stealing burgers, the 2nd can’t offer a stolen burger in his hands to pay for the one the 1st boys stole and ate.
So, Jesus didn’t case the blame for His suffering and death on to all people from all times. He took the blame or atleast the punishment for all people from all times to the degree that those people will let Him have their sin and return to a life of rightousness.
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KingAlfred
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The crucifix is of vital importance. It’s the most powerful symbol of Jesus Christ, Himself, available to us. It dramatically communicates Christ’s entire story – His human suffering for our sake, His fulfillment of His divine mission, His transcendance over death and physical suffering. Without the crucifix, we starve our imagination of the most profound spiritual reality of all time.
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4Squarebaby
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The International Church of the Foursquare Gospel or just Foursquare for short. The founder Evangelist Aimee Semple McPherson was influenced by the Salvation Army when she was a missionary’s wife and as a traveling evangelist had the reputation of a showman.
Every Foursquare Church has the theme scripture (Hebrews 13:8) posted. In addition it has the Foursquare Flag, the Emblem and Insignia. After the Azusa Street revivals many in the Pentecostal movement split more on race then on theology. To this day in black communities you will find some specific denominations that are not found elsewhere, Missionary Baptist, COGIC, AME, etc. Sister Aimee would not allow the denomination churches she was President of to go along with segregation of 1920s America. So along with the Catholic Churches, United Methodist and a few others, Foursquare Churches tend to be found in all ethnic communities today.
Meanwhile our cousins in the Assembly of God tended to follow the segregation of their communities so you rarely see an AoG church in a black community. Today about the only way you will know that you are in the average Foursquare chuurch as opposed to an AoG church are the scripture flag and emblem found in a Foursquare church.
Foursquare is not unique in this. I mean how does a Catholic know what church type building to treat as a Catholic church at a glance? It may not seeing the red flame and cross that a United Methodist would see, the flag or emblem of the Foursquare Church… but there are signs for man to know, if he cares about the difference.
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Lapell
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How is it wrong to you, paarsurrey? Jesus was crucified, died and then, on the third day of that event, he resurrected. And because of this, in commemoration of this, our churches have crosses. If we receive what I just stated as being true, isn’t the presence of crosses in churches logical?
But if you don’t believe that Jesus, having been crucified, died there and that on the third day of that event he rose again from death, of course to you it wouldn’t make sense!
Try to understand that in our Christian faith, we do believe this and that it is the reason we put crosses in our churches and in our houses (or rooms if we are just tenants). It’s a consequence of our believing it. O.K.?
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Lapell
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Moreover, in a world that seems to be more and more in favor of getting rid of any visible religious signs, it seems to me that you should encourage us to affirm our faith even with visible signs. Your religion does make you use public religious signs, such as your use of a carpet designed for prayer, which you don’t make use of only in the mosk, I suppose. Or the use of the 99-bead object which may look to us like a Catholic rosary (but you don’t call it a rosary, do you!)… I certainly don’t want you to abstain from using it over and over when YOU feel you have to…
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Lapell
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And this is one thing that we could agree to encourage even though we may not agree with everything the other religion states, couldn’t we?
paarsurrey, what do you think of this? Wouldn’t itbe worth it?
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dzheremi
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I do not object to the hijab or the jewelery I have seen that has first half of the shahada on it (I have seen it hanging from the mirror on some cars here, like how some Christians have crosses on their mirrors). Leave the cross alone, if you only ask these questions to tell us how “wrong” it is. It is never wrong to remember and meditate upon the Lord’s holy and perfect sacrifice. After all, it is for us men and for our salvation that he was crucified! We do right to remember and honor it always.
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prodigal-sun
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I’m not sure I follow your logic here, Why on earth would Jesus or Mary hang a cross in a worship area. When Jesus was alive on earth he had yet to be crucified, so that symbol of his passion would not have been needed at that time.
I have a question for you Parrsurrey, Did your prophet Mohammed face east toward Mecca and pray five times a day? I’m curious to know this. and what does it mean?
P.S. I believe you love Jesus and Mary but not who Jesus and Mary really are.
Peace!
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mark_a
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Jesus prayed at Golgotha and I’m sure he remembers the cross that was there.
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emarc
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sorry for the ignorance, but what is the society of friends? is it merely a social group, or religious group, or a combination of both? or a protestant denomination?
God bless.
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dzheremi
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The Society of Friends is commonly known as “the Quakers”, a Protestant sect formed in the 1600s.
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tundramom
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Paarsurrey,
You seem like a smart person. You must know that the Q’uran’s version of who Jesus is and what He did are not the same as the Bible’s.
Neither is the story of Mary in the Q’uran the same as the Bible.
Jesus perhaps didn’t have a cross on a church he prayed at because he hadn’t been on the cross yet. Remember, Jesus came as the Messiah… His people worshipped in Synagogues and in the Temple. The Church we now know today was given after He was on the Cross. So perhaps it would help you to put it into perspective by looking at it like a time-line.
in Christ
Steph
You seem like a smart person. You must know that the Q’uran’s version of who Jesus is and what He did are not the same as the Bible’s.
Neither is the story of Mary in the Q’uran the same as the Bible.
Jesus perhaps didn’t have a cross on a church he prayed at because he hadn’t been on the cross yet. Remember, Jesus came as the Messiah… His people worshipped in Synagogues and in the Temple. The Church we now know today was given after He was on the Cross. So perhaps it would help you to put it into perspective by looking at it like a time-line.
in Christ
Steph
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