Why is it that I seem to be the only one doing this...?

[Mysty101]

ridesawhitehors:

Gregory24 !

Honey, I kneel! and recieve on the tongue. One of about 10 in my parish who do so. Totally acceptable in any cathlolic church - doesn’t matter what ANYONE says.

Even your Bishop?

The norm for reception of Holy Communion in the dioceses of the United States is standing. Communicants should not be denied Holy Communion because they kneel. Rather, such instances should be addressed pastorally, by providing the faithful with proper catechesis on the reasons for this norm

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[Mysty101]

m134e5:

You may genuflect, kneel, or bow before receiving Holy Communion. If no one else does it, that’s their concern- according to the GIRM, we are at least supposed to bow. Do whatever you feel God is calling you to do.

Not according to the norms—How about what your Bishop is instructing you to do?

 

[Mysty101]

Della:

I bow deeply and receive on the tongue if receiving from a priest or deacon as directed by our bishops (but receive in the hand from an EMHC because I will not give them the same respect due to an ordained minister of the sacraments).

This is a terrible attitude. As another poster pointed out, it is Jesus we are respecting. I personally do not think either posture is more respectful, but obviously you do. How sad that you feel Jesus deserves less respect, if He does not come to you in the manner you prefer.

 

[CatholicCid]

Mysty101:

Not according to the norms—How about what your Bishop is instructing you to do?

It’s called the “norms” for a reason… The Bishop is not instructing, he is requesting. It is seen as a unity between all the United States Churches… Though we should probably be addressing some bigger issues if we truly want unity.
I know some who wish to be as obedient to the Bishop as possible, but from what they have been taught since children, genuflection is the one of the deepest respects they can give. Try as they like, they can’t hold back when they recieve Communion and genuflect, wanting to give Christ that deep respect.

 

[burnside]

space ghost:

… if you could imagine the domino effect of clamity when the person behind you is unaware of your preference ot genuflect prior to communion… happened to me once, wasn’t a pretty sight…
http://www.hanmudo.com/albums/album02/PileonPaul.thumb.jpg

i for one wish they had a totally different line for those wanting to do acrobatics prior to communion… don’t get me wrong, different strokes for different ghost, but you should ware a sign on your back that says, no tail gateing please…

peace:thumbsup:

In the 1950’s,as a young boy,i was walking up to the Altar Rail and almost stood on a Host which the priest had dropped.People had to stand up so that the Altar Rail could be opened for the priest to come out and pick up the Host.None of us could pick it up for him,we weren’t allowed to use our hands.What if i had been walking quicker and hadn’t been able to stop in time?In addition,collisions are not just caused by some people genuflecting and others choosing not to.In the old days,you could have two priests distributing Communion,one elderly,one young,
and some people,who were last to kneel down at the Altar Rail,
could receive as quickly as the others because they had the quicker-moving young priest.

 

[Mysty101]

CatholicCid:

It’s called the “norms” for a reason… The Bishop is not instructing, he is requesting. It is seen as a unity between all the United States Churches… Though we should probably be addressing some bigger issues if we truly want unity.
I know some who wish to be as obedient to the Bishop as possible, but from what they have been taught since children, genuflection is the one of the deepest respects they can give. Try as they like, they can’t hold back when they recieve Communion and genuflect, wanting to give Christ that deep respect.

Liturgical norms in the GIRM are the instructions, and should be followed. Have you ever read the article on the Communion procession?

It is not only against what you are instructed, it is also very impractical, and possibly a tripping hazard to genuflect in the middle of a procession.

 

[CatholicCid]

Mysty101:

Liturgical norms in the GIRM are the instructions, and should be followed. Have you ever read the article on the Communion procession?

It is not only against what you are instructed, it is also very impractical, and possibly a tripping hazard to genuflect in the middle of a procession.

Then we have a lot more serious abuses to face before this ._.’
No.

Bowing could as easily be a hazard. People at my Church who do bow do so 1 person ahead of them at Communion, When they reach the Priest, ect… So if you don’t watch the person ahead, you could easily run into them. At least, I’ve never seen genuflection anytime other than when about to recieve Communion and I sure hope you wouldn’t wait for the person ahead of you to recieve Communion before walking into them.

Though, I still see no problem if it goes against a Bishop’s direct wishes if you believe it is showing Christ your deepest respects. I doubt a Bishop would mind much either.

 

[Mysty101]

CatholicCid:

Though, I still see no problem if it goes against a Bishop’s direct wishes if you believe it is showing Christ your deepest respects. I doubt a Bishop would mind much either.

I definitely do not agree with you. The instructions are given, and it is quite insulting and disrespectful to a Bishop (actually a whole conference of Bishops) for anyone to say they know better what is respectful than he.

girm 42…52 Therefore, attention should be paid to what is determined by this General Instruction and the traditional practice of the Roman Rite and to what serves the common spiritual good of the People of God, rather than private inclination or arbitrary choice.

PS 40:7sacrifice and offering you do not want; but ears open to obedience you gave me

 

[burnside]

CatholicCid:

Then we have a lot more serious abuses to face before this ._.’
No.

Bowing could as easily be a hazard.

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Not the same hazard as someone who is down about your waist
level.Not everyone,whether bowing or genuflecting,does it directly in front of the priest.After receiving Communion,they take a step
to the right or left and they are still there when you have received.

Though, I still see no problem if it goes against a Bishop’s direct wishes

Do you as readily go against your employer’s direct wishes?Even when you may get the sack and end up financially embarrassed?

 

[Sir_Knight]

Della:

I bow deeply and receive on the tongue if receiving from a priest or deacon as directed by our bishops (but receive in the hand from an EMHC because I will not give them the same respect due to an ordained minister of the sacraments).

Same here

 

[CatholicCid]

I definitely do not agree with you. The instructions are given, and it is quite insulting and disrespectful to a Bishop (actually a whole conference of Bishops) for anyone to say they know better what is respectful than he.

Respect is in the eye of the beholder. In the general US, a thumbs up is considered to meaning ok and such, but if you go to more ariab US territory, a thumbs up would be considered deeply disrespectful.

Do you as readily go against your employer’s direct wishes? Even when you may get the sack and end up financially embarrassed?

If I felt what he wished was not the best thing to do, Of course.
If my employer asked me to say, cut corners, endangering others… I should?

I can understand why do it and all and what your saying… But I also don’t think it is a huge insult not to… If it was a dire concern, they would deny Communion to anyone who refuses to comply…
But Notice the GIRM says not to if someone does not just bow, they are still to recieve communion.

 

[Mysty101]

CatholicCid:

Respect is in the eye of the beholder. In the general US, a thumbs up is considered to meaning ok and such, but if you go to more ariab US territory, a thumbs up would be considered deeply disrespectful.

But this is America, and also the Catholic Church (which in not a democracy) It is very disrespectful to say you know better than your Bishop.

If I felt what he wished was not the best thing to do, Of course.
If my employer asked me to say, cut corners, endangering others… I should?

Now you are saying the Bishop is telling you to do something wrong? I would really be very careful here.

I can understand why do it and all and what your saying… But I also don’t think it is a huge insult not to…

It is disrespectful to disregard the instructions of one in charge. I do feel it is disobedient, but we are not allowed to say that.

If it was a dire concern, they would deny Communion to anyone who refuses to comply…
But Notice the GIRM says not to if someone does not just bow, they are still to recieve communion

We do need to keep priorities in order
No- no one shuld be denied Communion, but yes, the best choice is to support your Pastor & Bishop.

 

[Mysty101]

Originally Posted by Della
I bow deeply and receive on the tongue if receiving from a priest or deacon as directed by our bishops (but receive in the hand from an EMHC because I will not give them the same respect due to an ordained minister of the sacraments).

Sir Knight:

Same here

As was said—the respect is to Jesus, not the minister. Your attitude is very sad.

 

[CatholicCid]

But this is America, and also the Catholic Church (which in not a democracy) It is very disrespectful to say you know better than your Bishop.

Did I ever say I knew more than my Bishop? All I said that one might have been raised to believe something differently then others. And Yes, the CC isn’t a democracy. If the matter of bowing while recieving Communion was a Church Dogma, given Ex Cathedra, I would do it for sure. But if one is given the option, then they have a choice in the matter.

Now you are saying the Bishop is telling you to do something wrong? I would really be very careful here.

The Bishop gives me money? Because an employer does that…
It’s an acronym… www.Webster.com… Look up the word.

It is disrespectful to disregard the instructions of one in charge. I do feel it is disobedient, but we are not allowed to say that.

You are not disregarding them though…
If you do not bow because the Bishop asked and that is your reason, then you are disregarding his wishes and being disobedient.
To disregard means to ignore or pay no attention to… If you are saying, Yes, I recognize that the Bishop request a bow, but I was brought up to believe the best thing you can do is kneel… Then you are not disrespecting anything… You are just trying to fully give respect to Our Lord.

though, on another note, which is More correct… Recieving in the hand, or the tongue? Which one is more respectful?

 

[tcraig]

I receiving Holy Communion kneeling at the altar rail, on the tongue, at my TLM parish.

When I attend a NO parish, I usually give a deep bow prior to receiving (still on the tongue). I would prefer to genuflect or even kneel, but I am getting older and my knees are a bit shaky at times. Without something solid to grab on to, it’s too dicey.

Of course, if I ever had the luck of attending a NO parish where one could kneel at the altar rail, the problem would be solved.

 

[Mysty101]

CatholicCid:

Did I ever say I knew more than my Bishop? All I said that one might have been raised to believe something differently then others. And Yes, the CC isn’t a democracy. If the matter of bowing while recieving Communion was a Church Dogma, given Ex Cathedra, I would do it for sure. But if one is given the option, then they have a choice in the matter.

If something is instructed in the GIRM we are to follow the instruction. The GIRM is not suggestions. If there is an option (such as hand or tongue) it is clearly stated. If there is no specific instruction, then there is room for possible options, but not when something is clearly instructed.

GIRM 160. The priest then takes the paten or ciborium and goes to the communicants, who, as a rule, approach in a procession.

The faithful are not permitted to take the consecrated bread or the sacred chalice by themselves and, still less, to hand them from one to another. The norm for reception of Holy Communion in the dioceses of the United States is standing. Communicants should not be denied Holy Communion because they kneel. Rather, such instances should be addressed pastorally, by providing the faithful with proper catechesis on the reasons for this norm.

When receiving Holy Communion, the communicant bows his or her head before the Sacrament as a gesture of reverence and receives the Body of the Lord from the minister. The consecrated host may be received either on the tongue or in the hand, at the discretion of each communicant. When Holy Communion is received under both kinds, the sign of reverence is also made before receiving the Precious Blood.

The Bishop gives me money? Because an employer does that…
It’s an acronym… www.Webster.com… Look up the word.

No need for sarcasm—you were the one who made the comparison.

You are not disregarding them though…
If you do not bow because the Bishop asked and that is your reason, then you are disregarding his wishes and being disobedient.
To disregard means to ignore or pay no attention to… If you are saying, Yes, I recognize that the Bishop request a bow, but I was brought up to believe the best thing you can do is kneel… Then you are not disrespecting anything… You are just trying to fully give respect to Our Lord.

Sorry that is double talk for not doing what you are told.

though, on another note, which is More correct… Recieving in the hand, or the tongue? Which one is more respectful

It is the heart, not the posture which would indicate respect. I would think subjecting your will would be more respectful.

PS 40:7sacrifice and offering you do not want; but ears open to obedience you gave me

 

[CatholicCid]

Mysty101:

If something is instructed in the GIRM we are to follow the instruction. The GIRM is not suggestions. If there is an option (such as hand or tongue) it is clearly stated. If there is no specific instruction, then there is room for possible options, but not when something is clearly instructed.

The **norm **

for reception of Holy Communion in the dioceses of the United States is standing.
The key word there is norm… The norm is the way most people do things… Not all things… Then it is stated “Communicants should not be denied Holy Communion because they kneel.”
So… they expect some people to be kneeling…
I can see how it’s expected… but for them to say “norm”… when then there would be an “unnorm”

No need for sarcasm—you were the one who made the comparison.

And you took it out of context…

Sorry that is double talk for not doing what you are told.

No, it’s the truth. If you wish to disregard and be disrespectful, you must have the intent to be disrespectful… otherwise your either ignorant or unique.

It is the heart, not the posture which would indicate respect. I would think subjecting your will would be more respectful.

Then why give us a posture we must follow

 

[Mysty101]

CatholicCid:

The key word there is norm… The norm is the way most people do things… Not all things… Then it is stated “Communicants should not be denied Holy Communion because they kneel.”
So… they expect some people to be kneeling…
I can see how it’s expected… but for them to say “norm”… when then there would be an “unnorm”

Liturgical norms are not the same understanding as the word “norm”
this is from RS

It is not at all the intention here to prepare a compendium of the norms regarding the Most Holy Eucharist, but rather, to take up within this Instruction some elements of liturgical norms that have been previously expounded or laid down and even today remain in force in order to assure a deeper appreciation of the liturgical norms;[9] to establish certain norms by which those earlier ones are explained and complemented; and also to set forth for Bishops, as well as for Priests, Deacons and all the lay Christian faithful, how each should carry them out in accordance with his own responsibilities and the means at his disposal.

[5.] The observance of the norms published by the authority of the Church requires conformity of thought and of word, of external action and of the application of the heart

I can see how it’s expected… but for them to say “norm”… when then there would be an "unnorm

No, that would be an abuse

 

[Fergal]

Ok. Let me think this through.

1. We genuflect once when we pass the tabernacle.
2. We perform a double genuflection before the Blessed Sacrament when Jesus is exposed on the Altar.
3. We do nothing when he is held up before our faces?

Not me friends. I genuflect. I will continue to genuflect. Nothing has been prescribed here in Ireland by our Bishops, but I think we need to be bold recognise him and confess that He is Lord.

Some people will never understand wy we do it.
Some people will not like that we do it.
They are no reason to stop doing it.

 

[CatholicCid]

Rs?