Why is it too late?

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He was only washed with water the first time for infants cannot repent.
Usually infants don’t need to repent as they have nothing to repent of.
There are some instances of whole families being converted and baptised . That would have included their children of all ages , e.g. the conversion of Cornelius in Acts. Ch.10
The jailer in Acts 16:33 “and he and all his family were baptised immediately”
That would have included infants .
 
This is against the clear teaching of Scripture. Jesus is very clear that many, if not most people will not be saved.

God Bless
I agree!!

I have not read it. Have you read it? I remember the storm it set off when it came out.

“Why is it too late?”

We can trust in the fact that GOD in HIS infinite wisdom will deal with each of us justly.
 
Usually infants don’t need to repent as they have nothing to repent of.
There are some instances of whole families being converted and baptised . That would have included their children of all ages , e.g. the conversion of Cornelius in Acts. Ch.10
The jailer in Acts 16:33 “and he and all his family were baptised immediately”
That would have included infants .
Exactly. For an infant, Baptism is only remitting original sin, rather than personal sin. One does not need to repent original sin, it is wiped out by the Grace of God freely given.

God Bless
 
For argument sake, let’s just say that to my chagrin, after I die that not only do I still exist in some kind of an afterlife, but I become face to face with an almighty deity who is to condemn me. Well, at that point, I’d obviously believe.

So, why is it too late to believe/accept at that point? After all, the devil is said to have been face-to-face with, and a believer that God exists, and has been, according to scripture, from since before the world was made.

Why don’t humans have at least the benefit of the doubt in an afterlife, which the devil and his angles do? Why are the devils treated differently?
Can you show me a Bible verse that will say we will be face to face with Our Lord Jewsus Christ after death.
 
Can you show me a Bible verse that will say we will be face to face with Our Lord Jewsus Christ after death.
There’s the story of the sheep and the goats in Matthew 25, though I suppose that could be construed as more of a parable than a literal account of how things will be.
 
Usually infants don’t need to repent as they have nothing to repent of.
There are some instances of whole families being converted and baptised . That would have included their children of all ages , e.g. the conversion of Cornelius in Acts. Ch.10
The jailer in Acts 16:33 “and he and all his family were baptised immediately”
That would have included infants .
It does not say that there were infants, that’s an assumption. Based on that premise why don’t we say Paul knowingly baptized unbelievers in that household too for one may have been. All were baptized verse 33 says.

Acts 16:31 includes 31…“Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” 32Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house.

What words did Paul speak? …“Believe in the Lord Jesus"
Why? So that they would be saved.
To whom did Paul speak? To the jailer and “all the others in his house.”
Who was baptized? All were baptized, so all must have believed.
 
Since the saving grace of baptism is a free gift from God, I don’t see why it shouldn’t have efficacy on an infant.

God Bless
You speak of the saving grace of baptism as a free gift from God, but are bound to a sacremental system and works Where does the FREE come in?
 
Can you show me a Bible verse that will say we will be face to face with Our Lord Jewsus Christ after death.
2 Cor 5:6 Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. 7We live by faith, not by sight. 8We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord. 9So we make it our goal to please him, whether we are at home in the body or away from it. 10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

Rev 20:11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. **The dead were judged **according to what they had done as recorded in the books. **13The sea gave up the dead **that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.

Matt 25:31“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world…41“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
 
Ooops! That came out way wrong. Sorry about that, folks. Please forgive me.

What I was trying to say, in a general way and to no one in particular, is the fact that seeking God, praying, studying the Bible, and all the rest that goes along with religious/spiritual endeavors, are not foreign to me.
As I outlined in the story above, my father still turned up the night he died, apologised, conversed and screamed, even though
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"seeking God, praying, studying the Bible, and all the rest that goes along with religious/spiritual endeavors",
were foreign to me, as I was an atheist at the time. Why? I don’t know.

I also remember a stand-in Baptist pastor mentioning during a sermon about two occasions when he’d had his life saved by supernatural means when he was a youth.

Apparently he grew up on a farm around Toowoomba, if my memory serves me correctly. On one occasion he was walking through long grass on his family property, with his father a short distance ahead. Suddenly he just could not move, no matter how hard he tried. In his own words, “It was like being held in a giant hand”. Eventually his father wondered why he wasn’t coming, and came back, no doubt a bit annoyed. But as he got close to Alan (the future pastor), he spotted a death adder in the grass right where Alan would have put his foot on the next step. In Alan’s words, “They move like greased lightning”.

That was one occasion. He just could not move, even though he was not aware the snake was there.

On a second occasion he was sitting with his back against an old concrete water tower, reading a book, during school lunch break. Suddenly an urgent voice cried from nowhere, “Alan, Run!!” He got up, and in his own words, “I was doing a hundred meter sprint in a couple of seconds”. As he did so, the concrete tower collapsed behind him with no warning. He’d have been killed if he’d stayed there.

But he also said, “I don’t know why my life was saved on those two occasions.” The last time I heard about him he was managing the Bible Society office in Perth, but that was some years ago now.

God exists. But why He’s so selective in His methods we won’t know until we meet Him face to face. Most of us would have been allowed to take the next step onto the snake, or would have been crushed by the tower collapsing without warning. The 18 at Siloam received no such warning when the tower collapsed. Nor did the great majority in the World Towers when the planes flew into them.

Yet God saved the life of one relatively unknown future Baptist pastor by supernatural means on two occasions, not just one.
 
Ooops! That came out way wrong. Sorry about that, folks. Please forgive me.

What I was trying to say, in a general way and to no one in particular, is the fact that seeking God, praying, studying the Bible, and all the rest that goes along with religious/spiritual endeavors, are not foreign to me.
No offense taken my friend.
 
For argument sake, let’s just say that to my chagrin, after I die that not only do I still exist in some kind of an afterlife, but I become face to face with an almighty deity who is to condemn me. Well, at that point, I’d obviously believe.

So, why is it too late to believe/accept at that point? After all, the devil is said to have been face-to-face with, and a believer that God exists, and has been, according to scripture, from since before the world was made.

Why don’t humans have at least the benefit of the doubt in an afterlife, which the devil and his angles do? Why are the devils treated differently?
Well, it is impossible for us to know if God will or will not have any mercy on you.

But, I do know of people who believe in God yet freely curse His existence in this world–I doubt their temper will settle in the next.

It has to do with free will. You have free will to deny God in this life. I theorize it is the same in the next.
 
He was only washed with water the first time for infants cannot repent.
The Apostolic Church baptised whole HOUSEHOLDS , a term which includes children and infants and servants. Households means the family unit see Acts 16:33 , 1 Cor.1:16
1 Cor.7:14 states - One believing parent in a household makes the children and unbelieving spouse holy
Also, Jesus says " Bring the children to me "
Baptism became the Christian equivalent to circumcision
Iraeneus , Origen , Cyprian of Carthage, St. John Chrysostem , Augustine all taught the importance of infant baptism.
The only dispute in the early church as to whether Baptism should be deferred to the eighth day as was circumcision.
This topic should be on a different thread as this thread is about leaving repentance too late !
 
I don’t think the intention was to patronise! I read it a couple of times and it seems kind and sincere. The poster seems to be attempting to respond to what seems a sincere and concerned question.🙂

You’ll be familiar, of course, with Matthew 25 verses 31-46. Jesus words.
As with His simple command to love God above all and others as ourselves.
So I guess you know the answer to what seems to be your question.

Best wishes. 🙂
Thank you for your reply, Trishie. 🙂

So, according to verse 31, Jesus is not sitting on a throne of glory? Is he sitting at the right hand of God or not? According to verse 40, is he King or not?

Matthew 25:31-46 opens up all kinds of conflicting remarks. I’d like to discuss them in detail, but, I don’t think any of this addresses why it’s too late for someone like me to change my “mind” in an afterlife, when face-to-face with such a deity.
 
Why do you say devils/angels “have the benefit of the doubt”?
Because, according to the storyline, they witnessed God, firsthand and face-to-face. They know God exists. No faith is required on their part.
 
Mr skeptic - people DID come face to face with an almighty deity - in the person of Jesus Christ - and didn’t believe.

Satan and the fallen angels saw the face of God in heaven and certainly believed - but neither accepted His authority nor loved or obeyed Him.

We have free will. So we can understand after our death that God exists, since we will be left in no doubt about the fact.

But He won’t, can’t, force us to love Him, to obey Him, and spend eternity in His presence, quite simply because love (which is what He wants of us) cannot be forced, neither does He want mechanically enforced, fearful obedience - that is slavery. If He wanted forced ‘love’ and slavelike obedience He would impose those upon us on earth, no?
 
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In the first part of the verse in Luke 16:19 it says, There was a certain rich man, which indicates
that the verses are true not a parable. If you have read about Christ when He was on the cross he told one of the other men on a cross he would be with Christ in Paradise or he would be saved. Now thinking about the man in the torment side of hades, doesn’t it prove that when we die we have already judged ourselves by the way we have lived? Therefore if this is true why wouldn’t it apply when Christ said it is appointed once to die then the judgment?
Saul69
 
I don’t think the devilish faith in God is considered salvific according to most Christians. There is even a passage warning against having too much confidence in your faith as the vehicle of salvation. I can’t quote them on this website for some reason without it making my computer act up. But I can give the references if you are interested.

James 2:19 talks about how faith by itself is of no benefit, pointing out that it puts you in common with the devils who according to us are clearly not candidates for happiness with God.

I Cor 13:2 is where St. Paul talks about the importance of faith and love of God, or charity. He says that if he had faith to move mountains, he would be nothing without charity.

So even in this life, it isn’t enough just to believe in God according to how Catholics understand the way it works. But even supposing the devils had this advantage, and like some protestants we believed in faith alone as salvific, it doesn’t seem that there is faith or hope in heaven, only charity, love of God.

Two passages of St. Paul point to this. One in Rom.8:24, the other again in I Cor. 13 where he strongly hints that faith will go away by being face to face, like you said. Obviously the Christian Scriptures place a value to trusting in God before we can see Him which you might have quibbles about too. But it is certain that it would be inconsistent with what is said about faith to believe that its value extends into eternity. Without putting it into quotes, I’ll leave you with one passage from I Peter 1: “That the trial of your faith (much more precious than gold which is tried by the fire) may be found unto praise and glory and honour at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Whom having not seen, you love: in whom also now, though you see him not, you believe: and believing shall rejoice with joy unspeakable and glorified; Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.”

See where it talks about “having not seen, you love”? I think that is why it is taught that the hereafter will be too late. God made us out of nothing according to the Catholic Scriptures. As rational creatures, we and the angels are accountable for what we say and do AS creatures. We know we didn’t make ourselves, right? Where did we come from then? I am not a philosopher and maybe this is no help but I am just trying to drop some reasons for why a God who created each of us from nothing holds us accountable to at least look for the reason of our existence. Is the beauty of creation mere accident? A lot of people nowadays think so. You are far from alone. I don’t see how survivial of the fittest would evolve a sense perception that discerns that there is beauty in the universe created by God, and even great beauty recreated by human artists. It is so wonderful. The world is here and we are in it to make us wonder…and according to Christians, wonder leads to God and according to Catholics, eventually the Seven Sacraments and all the rest.

Well Skeptic,

I have probably bored you a little with my ramblings. Anyway, I wish you very well on your search for truth. Keep an eye out for goodness and beauty too!!! Heh.

Rory
Thank you for your in-depth reply, RoryMcKenzie56. There are several issues I’ll address as time allows. I just wanted you to know that I have not overlooked your remarks.
 
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