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I disagree, ja4. When the Pharisees asked Jesus what was the greatest commandment:
Matt 22:36-40
Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?" 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets.”
This is all about love. The whole teaching of the law and the prophets is about Jesus, and He teaches the law of love. Also, Paul writes
1 Cor 13:12-14:1
13 So faith, hope, love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
Notice he does not say faith is the greatest? Ever wonder why not? This “faith only” doctrine is off the mark, that is why. It was not taught by Jesus and His Apostles.
Yes, repentance from sin is important, but believing that Christ died and rose again is not necessarily relevent. Even the demons believe that.
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2ndGen
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When has stating fact become boasting?
That statement says more about you than it does about him.
God could’ve used a hammer to bring salvation to the world too, that in no way takes away from the sacrifice of His Son…so too is it with The Church. Whatever God uses is blessed.
If Jesus’ clothes healed people, how much more would His followers matter in God’s work?
Amen.
But God doesn’t abandon those He uses that serve Him faithfully. He is loyal to those that serve Him and accomplish the task set for them successfully.
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That is one of my pet peeves about the art. Too much of it is caucasian. I see that people represent Christ and the saints according to their custom. If you go to the Orthodox parishes, you see more Palestinian or even African looking saints. I always thought the hand positions were interesting too, but I don’t know what they mean.
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And, there is no one-ingredient plan to salvation (just believe, just repent, just be graced, etc…).
It is a process that includes steps.
Faith alone will not save.
Grace alone will not save for you can have faith by grace, yet still not do what Jesus commanded.
Works alone will not save.
Repentance alone will not save.
Proclaimation alone will not save.
One leads to the others.
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Well, folks, take into consideration that we live in a country that is overwhelmingly “white”.
I personally don’t see anything wrong with it even though I am Hispanic.
I see Mary as ever beautiful in whichever depiction she is presented.
I never noticed the differences whether she was portrayed as Asian, or Black or White or Native American, etc…
I was always in love with the message more than the messenger.
That she brought forth our salvation through her womb.
Our eternal life comes from her womb.
Mary, the mother of all those who keep the commandmets of God and who testify to Christ.
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Namesake
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Christ and Mary and most of the apostles should be represented as dark skinned because people in that region at that time were dark skinned. The art is false. Not a huge deal, but it’s not a true depiction at all.
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2ndGen
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What makes you think that the people there were darkskinned?
What happened in history that changed the make-up of the people there?
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I don’t think it would matter to God what ethnicity is portrayed.
Visual accuracy is only important to men.
That is something that Jesus taught, that those things that could be seen were nowhere near as important as what couldn’t be seen. He so often spoke of the “blind” who could actually “see”.
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Namesake
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Anthropological science is clear. Middle Eastern people were and are typically dark skinned. Not as dark as many Africans, but certainly not as fair skinned as in most depictions in Europe. In America most depictions are of fair skinned people. That is not correct at all. The people in the region of what is now Israel were darker than is usual in the artistic depictions. It’s a Euro-centric, Anglo-centric point of view. But it isn’t a big deal. Just curious.
What about those hand positions? That’s really interesting!
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Is this notion the same as that the HS used Mary as a "tool " to incarnate the Son?
It just seems so cold. It leads one to wonder if you are able to have intimate and loving relationships with people. God does not use His beloved as “tools”. This is a very hostile idea of God, that He does not work through relationship. Furthermore, it is not scriptural! Coming from you, of all people.
2 Peter 1:20-2:1
21 because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.
Do you think that the Spirit of God moves men like tools? Do you think that the NT writers are not reflecting hearts inclined toward God? You just can’t take the human part out of the equation, ja4, no matter how hateful you are toward Catholics.
You are right, it is wrong to boast of it, since it is all from God. However, here you are equating the Catholics who penned the scriptures to a donkey. Do you see how disrespectful this is to the writers? Must you do this because they are Catholic? Would you do that if they belonged to your faith community? Yes, it is an incredible blessing. God did not have to do it that way, but He chose to do it that way.
Do you study them?
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guanophore
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I agree with you on this point, and thanks for reporting. Give it time, the mods are very busy folks.I was trying to relate to the thread, at least I tried. Even if you thought I was not.
You post a video link that has the “F” word on it twice while unbelievers mock Christians. The other link is labeled “crazy a**…”
And the hypocritical part of it is, you post scripture in your defense of doing such things.
I reported this to a moderator and so far nothing is done about it.
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Namesake
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I would not like to see him banned, maybe admonished.
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2ndGen
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Guan,
You know what I’ve noticed?
Most Protestants are made uneasy by our use of Christian art (statues, paintings, etc…). They say we’re not supposed to have those items that are “things” in worship.
But they lovvvvvvvvvvve their bibles…protecting them from the elements in a leather bible case, storying them in a safe clean place, displaying them prominently in their homes, holding them close when they walk into church, holding them up high during service.
Now, I’m not in any way criticizing these acts. In fact, I love their reverance for their bibles.
Would this be considered a tool?
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Guan,
You know what I’ve noticed?
Most Protestants are made uneasy by our use of Christian art (statues, paintings, etc…). They say we’re not supposed to have those items that are “things” in worship.
But they lovvvvvvvvvvve their bibles…protecting them from the elements in a leather bible case, storying them in a safe clean place, displaying them prominently in their homes, holding them close when they walk into church, holding them up high during service.
Now, I’m not in any way criticizing these acts. In fact, I love their reverance for their bibles.
Would this be considered a tool?
I don’t think the Holy Bible can be considered to be a “tool”. Why are you so defensive about statues? If you like them, fine.
Protestants think Catholic statues are a distraction from Jesus. When we are in the sanctuary we focus entirely on Jesus and His sacrifice for us, and His promise of the resurrection.
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Enough with the highbrowing and The Inquisition already!
Tell you what, whoever has “not” sinned,
let him cast the first stone?
Enough with the rats and the tattletails.
Live and let live!
Hey Gaun, what’s a “Jewess?”
To a Jew, that would be considered offensive. :tsktsk:
Should I report you now?
Jew·ess (js)
n. Offensive
A Jewish woman or girl.
Usage Note: Like many other English nouns in which the suffix -ess is added to a gender-neutral word to indicate femaleness, the terms Jewess and Negress are now widely regarded as offensive. It is interesting to note that the objection to words formed with the -ess suffix does not apply to words such as Latina and Chicana, whose contrasting forms Latino and Chicano are not gender-neutral but rather refer even in English primarily to males. See Usage
So stop casting stones!
You violated a forum rule even if you didn’t mean to!
As soon as I read that word in one of your posts, I found it offensive because I know that it is a deragotory comment on an ethnic minority!
You’re luck I’m not like you, that I don’t encourage or support the judgement on others that you do!
Or else, “you’d” be reported!
Is there anybody here who adheres to Jesus’ teaching on “not” passing judgement since you too can be judged by that same standard?
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