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1voice
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Well… the other option would be to simply not talk about the Catholic church. But then … Why do some Catholics talk about other Christian denominations?
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Sarahforgiven
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That is a great story. It is sad to see evangelicals go down this road. I was once sent home from a bible study with 2 of his anti-catholic tapes. This was when my DH & I were still going between non- denominational & episcopal churches. I am so thankful for the many prayers that go up each day for the salvation of souls. I also had an evangelical friend who was not anti-catholic, infact he told me a story about a born again friend who had joined the Catholic Church after researching it & deciding it was the true church. I still don’t know if the lady who gave me the tapes knows about my conversionWhere JM is concerned, Catholics should not feel like the Lone Ranger, so to speak. He doesn’t have much good to say about Pentecostals, either (the tradition that I was raised in).
Sidebar: I’ve mentioned this before, but it was a Bible study/meditation method recommended by JM that got me started on the road to the Catholic Church. I wrote to thank him for his role in bringing me here (tongue only slightly in cheek), and he (or his staff) send me a two-CD set on the heresy of the Catholic Mass
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Cheshangle
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I imagine he doesn’t like Anglicanism much either. A lot of these guys don’t.
At Walsingham, Norfolk, England, there are two shrines to the Blessed Virgin. One is RC, the other Anglican. When the RCs hold their annual parade, there’s never any bother. When the Anglicans do, they’re jeered at and heckled by extreme Protestants who shout “traitors” and worse.
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Kelley_Green
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2 Peter 3: 14 –17 "Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. And count the forbearance of our Lord as salvation. So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scripturesPJM;8114894 said:***My DEAR FRIEND in Christ;
The problem lies in two critical and indispuitable areas.
- An Overt lack of charity. If the Bible teaches ANYTHING it the ABSOLUTE NEED TO LOVE.
- It not what John READS that is the source of ERROR; Rather what JOHN THINKS it means
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Excellent, PJM:thumbsup:
I think you’re being a little too naive right along with PJM. Easttexas is correct to recognize this as willful intellectual and spiritual attack. That said, I’ll take it one step further and point at his hijacking of Christianity. As self declared Protestant, you’ve got to know there are far too many Jim Joneses hiding under your Protestant banner doing grievous harm and laughing all the way to the bank. I’m sorry, you’re failing to take responsibility for what is foul on your porch grievously misrepresenting. This is a beaten path circus formula of hate preaching that has been repeated often enough to serve the perpetual enslavement of the most ignorant on the planet and it’s morally reprehensible to turn a blind eye. It runs in tandem with Louis Farrakhan. He is not of God, and right on time like a train, first accuses all others of being not of God then commences to commit every crime he’s accusing for decades. It’s repugnant and you know it but what are you doing?
Worst of all, the outcome reliably produces the persecution of ACTUAL Christians at the hands of people POSING as Christians. Are there not enough protestant and catholic martyrs alike leaving trails of blood throughout history as proof? I’m of interfaith extended family and break bread with many a main line plain vanilla Methodist, Lutheran, Quaker etc but I mean to say that the lesson of WW2 appears to be lost on all of you when good men do nothing. It’s downright nuts on steroids for Protestants out there to claim the Vatican issued a license to Benny Hinn. They did no such thing, but by virtue of a handshake in the context of interfaith dialog, this justifies the accusations of Pope John Paul offering endorsements to the devil?? Thou shalt not bear false witness is not applicable to how many of you out there? Just how feral are y’all going to allow them to get before you escort them out the building?
ADVICE FOR CATHOLICS, and anyone else not hell bent on hate, nor willing to consent to an ostrich posture:
With precision, the elegance of simplicity and the commitment to intellectual honesty, the Holy See did take out a single pin to countermand the hot air balloon and volumes of over intellectualized rationalizations atheists were pumping for years and answered them clearly without contempt for their right to exist.
"You have invented your own religion".
Plain as day for all to see, he was 100% correct. He did far more than just pray, he faced it squarely minus the wrestling with a tar baby. Fire is answered effectively with the waters of reason and impeccable commitment to the truth. No hate mongering or carrying on necessary. No nasty war games in a race to the bottom the least of my brothers might feel a compulsion to devise allowing vengeance to poison their hearts. All would do well to follow his stellar example in this situation consistent with the tradition of American statesmanship.
The truth shall out and what is false cannot stand on it’s own without thieving. The saddest part about this wretched man- he was hell bent foisting ignorance supplanting religion before he ever arrived in seminary school and only used the Bible for nefarious purpose. No matter how you play this out it’s destructive, and how much further could one possibly get from the liberation Jesus offered humanity? This is in the realm of blaspheme, not against the mortal Papacy, but to the very teachings of Jesus. Not religion, but a psychiatric condition. Every word out of his mouth is a confession that no one wants to believe.
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christosdavid
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I had a very conservative friend once, we met each other at TECH and found out quickly that we were the only serious christians in our class.
We prayed together, did Bible studies, evangelised, did apologetics for the class etc.
Until, he found out that I was actually catholic.
It shocked him, I was suprised too, as I’d assumed that it was obvious with all that prayer and Bible study etc.
He was the first to teach me about the “whore of Babylon” stuff and even brought in a “heavyweight” to instruct me on how bad the RCC was.
It was a devestating blow to our Christian unity. I am not going to renounce my faith because of his unbelief, and yet I know how Christian he was.
I feel MacArthur is similar. He is Christian in our Vatican II understanding. He was correctly baptised and works within the grace of God.
Its just a shame that his anti-catholic ideas get in the way of our Christian unity. No doubt he would simply quote Jesus that he had come to divide, buut that division is against non-believers and those outside the grace of God.
Within the faith Im sure he’d agree with John 17s desire for unity, its just getting to see that Catholicism is within the Christian faith and not the enemy.
That the church of Christ has been so fractured is a real shame, the lack of desire to fellowship as brothers a stumbling block to the world identifying the spouse of Christ and even the mystery of the unity within the trinity itself (as we are one).
Pray for Christian unity In the name of the Father
and the Son 
and of the Holy Spirit :byzsoc: Amen
We prayed together, did Bible studies, evangelised, did apologetics for the class etc.
Until, he found out that I was actually catholic.
It shocked him, I was suprised too, as I’d assumed that it was obvious with all that prayer and Bible study etc.
He was the first to teach me about the “whore of Babylon” stuff and even brought in a “heavyweight” to instruct me on how bad the RCC was.
It was a devestating blow to our Christian unity. I am not going to renounce my faith because of his unbelief, and yet I know how Christian he was.
I feel MacArthur is similar. He is Christian in our Vatican II understanding. He was correctly baptised and works within the grace of God.
Its just a shame that his anti-catholic ideas get in the way of our Christian unity. No doubt he would simply quote Jesus that he had come to divide, buut that division is against non-believers and those outside the grace of God.
Within the faith Im sure he’d agree with John 17s desire for unity, its just getting to see that Catholicism is within the Christian faith and not the enemy.
That the church of Christ has been so fractured is a real shame, the lack of desire to fellowship as brothers a stumbling block to the world identifying the spouse of Christ and even the mystery of the unity within the trinity itself (as we are one).
Pray for Christian unity In the name of the Father
and the Son and of the Holy Spirit :byzsoc: Amen
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Cheshangle
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As a matter of interest are there any “anti-Protestant bigots” around? Not in ths forum, I hope.Right. I know of no evidence that Johnny Mac is a hater. But he sure is wrong a lot.
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Izdaari
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I’m afraid so.
Not going to name any names (and to be honest, I don’t remember them), but I have encountered “Protestantism is just wrong, and if you don’t repent and become Catholic you’re going to Hell!” on CAF a number of times. NOT an exact quote of anyone in particular, but that theme.
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Chaplain777
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Wow, I hope not too! Nothing like throwing fuel on an already consuming fire.I’m afraid so.
Not going to name any names (and to be honest, I don’t remember them), but I have encountered **“Protestantism is just wrong, and if you don’t repent and become Catholic you’re going to Hell!” **on CAF a number of times. NOT an exact quote of anyone in particular, but that theme.
Anyways, when I lived in the Mid-West I used to listen to John MacArthur on the radio and I never detected this anti-Catholic sentiment that I have been reading about in this thread. I was really shocked to hear about this as I thought the Catholic and Protestant faiths were coming closer together over the past 5-7 years. As a hospice chaplain I visit people from different denominations regularly and have not encountered the anti-Catholic attitude. Which, I guess lead me to believe that the “rift” was not widening, but more to a closing. Having said this, I do realize that serious illness and death can be the great equalizer. Prayers for JM and us as well.
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Cheshangle
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Certainly in my lifetime Protestants and RCs seem to have moved a lot closer, and a lot of bigotry on both sides has been dispelled. Whether the present Pope is haapy about this, I’m not sure.
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Chaplain777
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Is there something in particular about Pope Benedict that makes you feel uncertain about this issue?
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ltwin
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I haven’t read any of his work, but I know that he is not just an opponent of Catholics. He doesn’t like Pentecostalism much either. It probably has something to do with the fact that he is a cessationist.
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BILL_PICK53
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Because he is down and things he is not up on(Macarthur)
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brumano
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Yes very very sad and right about now maddening really because priests like Fr.Corapi who speak out for the Catholic Faith in the arena of the national religious culture must for some reasons be silenced or if not discreditted or if not disavowed by their own church.John…is a 5th? Generation UBER Reformed Baptist Pastor…the “simple” answer…it is VERY ingrained in him…some people…Pastors…“Dynastic” Pastors…like I say I think he is 5th…or he has Uncles who were also of this mindset…from CHILDHOOD…he was indoctrinated in ANTI-CATHOLOCISM…and a pretty rabid form…more Dangerous than a Jack Chick…Why?..He IS SMART…well spoken well educated…I have NEVER TRULY met a Catholic…who lost faith over Chick you cant take him seriously! John Mac…Major Church…Top Selling Study Bibles…TV and Internet…he HAS done damage…it is sad!
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Rag_Hanger
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To clarify, he only attended BJU for a short time before transferring to Pacific University, where he graduated.
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Kelley_Green
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If he wasn’t “anti catholic” he wouldn’t have anything to sell people who only desire to hate. When a religious leader has more in common with pimps than the teachings of Jesus, it’s best you move along. This applies to any denomination anywhere.
I do not consider him a Christian. I do not consider him a man in noblest sense of the term or an American in noblest sense of the term either.
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Kelley_Green
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And to clarify further-- some people attend higher education superficially to garner evidence to support their pre conceived dysfunction/ confirmation biases.
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