Why is mary so important?

[SIA]

So if I talk to my boss two hundred times in a day then he or she is even more important than Mary to whom I only prayed 53 times, let alone Jesus if I talk to Him less?

Wow, really gotta stop talking to people then

I think you can see where I’m going here - the number of times you talk to someone doesn’t reveal squat, at the end of the day, about how much worship you give them, or even how deep-down important they are to you. And I’m sure God knows this too and doesn’t keep a scoresheet.

pretzel logic.

 

[SIA]

If anyone is confused RisenAgain…it is you.

I don’t think so. She is attributing traits to Mary that exclusively belong to the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ respectively. I’m not lost without Mary; sorry about that… I’m lost without Christ my Savior.

 

[SIA]

Not one iota of confusion here, thank you very much. Both the Holy Spirit AND Jesus Christ are GOD - they are our destination.

Mary is an essential part of the journey, she is the path that takes us to the destination, and all the other things as I have said. She is not the destination herself, and it’s surprisingly easy not to confuse a path with its destination y’know.

I think you’re confused about what paths and maps and all the rest of it actually do. You do understand, do you not, that without paths etc it is either very difficult or, in a lot of cases, actually impossible, to GET to one’s destination? WITH them it is at least immeasurably easier? So it is, if we stick with Mary she will take us more easily and speedily and safely to Christ than anything we can devise without her.

And if I’m confused, RA, then so is the Church - IT has granted her the title ‘Mediatrix of all Graces’, which connotes exactly what I said. IT has specified that prayer in the Mass about how we rely on her and the other Saints interceding for God’s help. I didn’t make these things up on my own y’know.

Not one ounce of what you said here is Biblical. It’s actually very scary.

 

[grandfather]

I don’t think so. She is attributing traits to Mary that exclusively belong to the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ respectively. I’m not lost without Mary; sorry about that… I’m lost without Christ my Savior.

Without Mary there is no Jesus. You can not have a savior without Mary. He comes to you through her person and her alone. She delivers Him.

One way you could end this problem you seem to have identified is to become Protestant. You do not seem interested in what the Church and all her saints or all ages have to say.

 

[SIA]

Without Mary there is no Jesus. You can not have a savior without Mary. He comes to you through her person and her alone. She delivers Him.

One way you could end this problem you seem to have identified is to become Protestant. You do not seem interested in what the Church and all her saints or all ages have to say.

Are you saying that Jesus would not exist without Mary?

 

[JMJ_coder]

Are you saying that Jesus would not exist without Mary?

Without Mary and her fiat, Jesus would not have been incarnate.

 

[Peter_J]

Are you saying that Jesus would not exist without Mary?

Now now. :tsktsk:

One way you could end this problem you seem to have identified is to become Protestant. You do not seem interested in what the Church and all her saints or all ages have to say.

Why would SIA want to become Protestant?

 

[LilyM]

Not one ounce of what you said here is Biblical. It’s actually very scary.

Given that the poster claims to be Catholic, what you think of the biblicality of what I’ve said matters naught.

Catholics believe in the authoritative teaching power passed on by Christ to the Church as well as the truths contained in scripture.

 

[SIA]

Without Mary and her fiat, Jesus would not have been incarnate.

The Bible tells us nothing of God’s decision to send Jesus into the world teetering upon Mary and her answer to Gabriel of either yes or no. Truth is, he could have chosen anybody or any way to bring Christ into the world. Mary was blessed and special because God chose her I agree, but God could have done it a million other ways.

 

[JMJ_coder]

I’m with LilyM on this one, Mary is necessary for our journey to our ultimate good, which is God. Even those who think they are getting to Jesus without Mary (if they are actually getting to Jesus) are still being aided by Mary.

Mary is the Mediatrix and Dispentrix of All Graces, as the Church has taught through the ages. God has given to Mary all His graces for her to bestow upon mankind. Thus all grace that leads us to Jesus comes to us by way of Mary. She does this because she is our Mother and she loves us as a mother does and desires our good.

Mary is the perfect mirror, she perfectly reflects that Divine Light upon mankind. She is the ‘Star of the Sea’ that guides us to safe harbor where Christ awaits us.

 

[SIA]

I’m with LilyM on this one, Mary is necessary for our journey to our ultimate good, which is God. Even those who think they are getting to Jesus without Mary (if they are actually getting to Jesus) are still being aided by Mary.

Mary is the Mediatrix and Dispentrix of All Graces, as the Church has taught through the ages. God has given to Mary all His graces for her to bestow upon mankind. Thus all grace that leads us to Jesus comes to us by way of Mary. She does this because she is our Mother and she loves us as a mother does and desires our good.

Mary is the perfect mirror, she perfectly reflects that Divine Light upon mankind. She is the ‘Star of the Sea’ that guides us to safe harbor where Christ awaits us.

Very scary pedistal to put Mary on and I will certainly pass on all of it. Jesus makes it pretty clear in Scripture that all we need is him. I’ll take him at his word.

 

[JMJ_coder]

Very scary pedistal to put Mary on and I will certainly pass on all of it. Jesus makes it pretty clear in Scripture that all we need is him. I’ll take him at his word.

Well, without the the other modes of Revelation, Sacred Tradition and the authentic interpreter the Magisterium, its not even the Bible that your reading. Sacred Scripture cannot be divorced from Sacred Tradition or the Magisterium without falling flat on its face and ceasing to be Scripture.

As for a pedestal, do you not think that God wouldn’t place His own Mother on a pedestal fit for a queen? He did and crowned Queen of Heaven and Earth.

 

[JMJ_coder]

The Bible tells us nothing of God’s decision to send Jesus into the world teetering upon Mary and her answer to Gabriel of either yes or no. Truth is, he could have chosen anybody or any way to bring Christ into the world. Mary was blessed and special because God chose her I agree, but God could have done it a million other ways.

But, He did choose Mary and Mary chose Him - and thus she is blessed among all women, and all generations will call her blessed.

 

[SIA]

But, He did choose Mary and Mary chose Him - and thus she is blessed among all women, and all generations will call her blessed.

The Bible tells us of several folks that are called blessed. Mary is the greatest woman who ever lived no doubt about it. But Jesus alone is our Salvation.

 

[LilyM]

The Bible tells us nothing of God’s decision to send Jesus into the world teetering upon Mary and her answer to Gabriel of either yes or no. Truth is, he could have chosen anybody or any way to bring Christ into the world. Mary was blessed and special because God chose her I agree, but God could have done it a million other ways.

Could’ve but didn’t - He chose Mary from all eternity, even from before the Fall, just as He chose to be born in Israel, just as He chose to die on a cross. Just as He chose to create you knowing exactly what you are going to do with your life. None of these choices is without significance, none of these is some sort of ‘luck of the draw’ random event.

Remember Jesus pointing out that God inspired Elijah to raise the son of a non-Jew from the dead, and Elisha to heal a non-Jew leper, Naaman the Syrian. Was that just random? No, Jesus indicates that God did these things deliberately to teach the people of Israel that His grace could fall upon Gentiles too.

So He chose to come through Mary in particular, and for good and important reasons. Do you really think that just anyone could’ve been the Mother of God? Of course not. Another woman would’ve said no, another woman would’ve raised Jesus entirely differently and perhaps ruined His mission, another woman wouldn’t have had Joseph around to marry her and protect them both when Herod was after Jesus.

Why do you think that murder, even of the not-yet-born, is such a heinous offence to God - if we’re not really important because God could’ve done just as well without us? No, it’s because each of us, as we are and as God intends us, is HIGHLY significant, in all our individuality and all our choices. Unique and irreplaceable. NO-ONE else can fulfil your function, or Mary’s, in God’s plan, if they could then your life and hers would be without a shred of significance.

 

[JMJ_coder]

The Bible tells us of several folks that are called blessed. Mary is the greatest woman who ever lived no doubt about it. But Jesus alone is our Salvation.

Jesus in the Trinity is our ultimate good, but it is through Mary that we attain that good. As I have said, by the Will of God all good graces come to us from Him through Mary. She is the Mediatrix and Dispentrix of All Graces.

 

[grandfather]

Are you saying that Jesus would not exist without Mary?

He would never have become incarnate, the God-man. He received His humanity from her alone and had she not said to the angel “Be it done unto me according to your word”, or something like it and consented to conceive the Savior, you would not have a Savior.

She was the one prepared to become the Mother or God, highly favored full of grace. The Holy Spirit overshadowed her and she conceived. If she had not given her consent the angel who was sent to her would not have gone down the street looking for another virgin.

She was without sin. Had she not consented to enflesh Jesus who took His body sacrificed for you, from her alone, she would have still been with God forever having no sin. It is you who would be separated from Him forever if it was not for her.

You depend on her and her role in salvation history for your salvation.

You have a Protestant mind full of Protestant notions that influence you. It is evident that you do not know the Mother of God. You have no relationship with her who Jesus gives you to be your mother. You reject her and scorn her benefits and cosnolations, clearly from your own words.

 

[grandfather]

Now now. :tsktsk:

Why would SIA want to become Protestant?

He parrots their ideas.

 

[LilyM]

He parrots their ideas.

SIA IS Anglican - hence the ‘Thames’ (the river that runs through London) swim team in his signature.

By our definition (and a kinda ‘he who does not gather with us scatters’ mentality) that makes him Protestant.

 

[grandfather]

As for a pedestal, do you not think that God wouldn’t place His own Mother on a pedestal fit for a queen? He did and crowned Queen of Heaven and Earth.

God does not put Mary on a pedestal. She is enthroned. Imagine the audacity of trying to remove her from her throne that God places her on in heaven, as Protestants attempt to do in their obstinacy and rebellion. Imagine saying to Jesus your mother is just an ordinary woman. She may have remained a virgin in giving birth to you, but so what. She is ordinary. Who needs her?