Why Is Muhammad The Greatest?

[inJESUS]

**De Maria, I would not have replied to you because your posts were disturbing. But I saw some useful note of alarm in your post 64. **

Luke 14
26If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Now here I see Jesus giving lessons of hatred
the passage is pretty clear. You do not put God as number 2 in your life and your wife or brother as number 1. You put God as number one . The passage has nothing to do with hatred.

 

[inJESUS]

The stories vary a bit. Rather than a stable and a Manger, Islam teaches that Mary (or Maryam) gave birth to Jesus under a date tree that dropped fruit in her lap to sustain her and that God provided her a spring of fresh water to refresh her.

correct…these are taken from the apocrypha.

Amazing how many of our own heroes could be considered murderers.

 

[De_Maria]

De Maria…

What kind of Catholic am I?

Probably a bad one. I struggle with my faith every day. Many days I lose.

As do we all.

But I do my best. I fight hard to hang on to it. I have been to the Vaitcan as a child, heard John Paul II. I have walked on my knees at Fatima. And I pray each day, every day for God to shore me up for one more day.

I try every day, to focus on how Christ lived, and what he said and taught.

Good for you.

One of the questions I struggle with often come from my reading the Gospel (A couple of different translations since we all know how mucky things get with translations…look at all of the different ways the Catholics here interpret and read the Qu’ran, which I’m pretty sure is a translation as opposed to the original Arabic) and I have always asked why if Jesus was God, why was he so very specific to refer to God as a Parental figure. Yes he said “The Father and I are one,” but in a contextual light that becomes rather weak as a statement to his actually being God. Why every other time does he refer to God as Father? Jesus was known for speaking clearly, and plainly. He taugh using parables, but he was still pretty clear and simple in speach. Why is God still Father? If he is God, why the entire incident in the garden, begging God to take the cup from him? It’s a question I struggle with in my own faith, and don’t expect the answers to be found here on an internet forum.

Jesus is the Son of the Father in two ways. In eternity, Jesus proceeds from the Father.

In time, Jesus was engendered by the Holy Spirit according to the will of the Father in the woman Mary.

But then I’m not sure this forum really has the answers I need anyways. Because so many people seem so…off message.

The Muslims who have come to this forum are here to proselytize. That is why they post threads like, “Mohammed was predicted in the Scriptures”, “Islam is a peaceful religion:” and other foolishness.

For the most part, Catholic Answers is an apologetical website. There are other Catholic websites which focus on fraternity and teaching. If you would like a list, let me know.

There are many other threads on this forum which teach the faith in other sections of this forum. You may want to search here:
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Oh and Mary was Betrothed to Joseph before Gabriel came and spoke to her, right?

Correct.

The point I was trying to make was that Mary was already lined up to be a typical wife at the time of the immaculate conception,

You do understand that the Immaculate Conception is Mary’s conception without original sin.

You seem to be under the impression that it refers to Jesus conception. Whose conception was also immaculate but which is referred to as the Incarnation.

and I was taught in CCD that she may have been around 13 years old. So Aisha Binti Bakr being 9 at her Nikkah, and 11 when she acctually consummated her marriage wasn’t really abnormal in light of times.

Perhaps. I wasn’t the one who made the accusation. I don’t know for sure what age Aisha was married or had relations with Mohammed. And I don’t believe hardly anything that Muslims say. If you read my posts you will see that I doubt Mohammed’s sincerity on everything he wrote.

And how many times has the Catholic Church been the hand of deception for the sake of its own benefit… too many times to count.

None. Absolutely none.

People do get off message, it’s our nature. We can’t understand fully God’s plan or will. We can only do our best, and beg forgiveness for the rest.

You might be right. But you can’t lay that on the Church. The Catholic Church is infallible.

Again, I suggest you begin to study your faith. It sounds to me as though your husband is beginning to gain sway on your faith.

Sincerely,

De Maria

 

[revelations]

We still haven’t answered the question how Muhammad is the greatest? I’m curious.

 

[c659smith]

Muhammad led 27 military campaigns against innocent
villages and caravans & planned 38 others

“I am the prophet that laughs when killing my enemies.” (Hadith)

Christians & Jewish martyrs say; “I will die for what I believe”.
A Muslim martyr says; "you will die for what I believe

Islam from it’s creation was founded on peace for all who follow Islam but puts a penalty possible death for those that do not agree

Jesus said to love your enemies as yourselves and did not head up a military campaign. This is a foundation for peace and love.

While in history some Christians have killed in the name of Christ in no way, shape, or form were they authorized to do so by Jesus’s teachings but from men.

However we are not to lay down and not provide defense or self defense in regards for our brothers and sisters in Christ. For one who gives his life for his friends etc…

 

[planten]

the passage is pretty clear. You do not put God as number 2 in your life and your wife or brother as number 1. You put God as number one . The passage has nothing to do with hatred.

** I know the meaning as you do. But please look at the words. I do not say anything against Jesus. but look at the words. If I do the same as your friends do with our scripture then there is no escape for you. The words are very clearly giving a message to the disciples of hating the mother and father and all. You should please admit that it is so. Because it is written like that.

So it may be the fault of the narrator or the scribe. You friends find fault with Quran. But here De Maria has provided the proof of the message of Hatred from Jesus himself. I know it is difficult for you to admit. But we will never forget it.**

 

[inJESUS]

** you wrote

I know the meaning as you do.

 

[planten]

De Maria…

What kind of Catholic am I?

Probably a bad one. I struggle with my faith every day. Many days I lose.

But I do my best. I fight hard to hang on to it. I have been to the Vaitcan as a child, heard John Paul II. I have walked on my knees at Fatima. And I pray each day, every day for God to shore me up for one more day.

I try every day, to focus on how Christ lived, and what he said and taught.

One of the questions I struggle with often come from my reading the Gospel (A couple of different translations since we all know how mucky things get with translations…look at all of the different ways the Catholics here interpret and read the Qu’ran, which I’m pretty sure is a translation as opposed to the original Arabic) and I have always asked why if Jesus was God, why was he so very specific to refer to God as a Parental figure. Yes he said “The Father and I are one,” but in a contextual light that becomes rather weak as a statement to his actually being God. Why every other time does he refer to God as Father? Jesus was known for speaking clearly, and plainly. He taugh using parables, but he was still pretty clear and simple in speach. Why is God still Father? If he is God, why the entire incident in the garden, begging God to take the cup from him? It’s a question I struggle with in my own faith, and don’t expect the answers to be found here on an internet forum.

But then I’m not sure this forum really has the answers I need anyways. Because so many people seem so…off message.

Oh and Mary was Betrothed to Joseph before Gabriel came and spoke to her, right? The point I was trying to make was that Mary was already lined up to be a typical wife at the time of the immaculate conception, and I was taught in CCD that she may have been around 13 years old. So Aisha Binti Bakr being 9 at her Nikkah, and 11 when she acctually consummated her marriage wasn’t really abnormal in light of times.

And how many times has the Catholic Church been the hand of deception for the sake of its own benefit… too many times to count.

People do get off message, it’s our nature. We can’t understand fully God’s plan or will. We can only do our best, and beg forgiveness for the rest.

**We Muslims love Jesus and his mother (Mary). We do not worship Moses or Muhammad or Mary or Jesus. We worship only One God. Our love is for every prophet of God. We know all the prophets very well. Most names are mentioned in the Quran. Allah has told us that He has not mentioned some of them. But He sent messenger in every nation.

You are a Catholic, meaning “Faithful”. Try to be a good Catholic. It is not your duty to abuse any one. You will be rewarded by God. According to Quran, Mary was left in the service of the temple (Synagogue) by her mother as per promise that she had made with God. She was left in the care of Zakariyya. All this is described in the third chapter of the Quran i.e. 'The Children of Imran".

Mary could not remain in the service of the temple when she became of age. She had to leave the temple. But she had no hope of any marriage whatsoever. She had no property or wealth or relatives. There was no hope of marriage. But it so happened that when she was presented to be handed over to some one (as a wife), many persons turned up seeking her hand because she was very pious and beautiful.

Quran tells us that God arranged her marriage i.e. God selected her husband. It is a long story. Husband is not named in the Quran but we know it from the bible that it was Joseph.

Rapida, you will not find anything degrading from the Muslims about Jesus and his disciples. But we have to go according to the message in the Quran. We have the knowledge about all these things. There is nothing bad (not a word) about any prophet in the Quran. Please continue your good work. Do not be dishearted.**

 

[revelations]

But Planten, you see the key difference here is that Jesus was not solely just a prophet. He WAS God.

John 1:1 - “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
John 1:14 - “And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.”

Also, our history and traditions point to early beliefs and faith that Jesus was indeed the Christ, the fulfiller of all messianic prophecy, the one sent to redeem us of all of our sins.

So it’s one thing to say “yah yah we have Jesus here in our book to! And Mary is there too!”, and another thing to say that Jesus Christ is God. That is the difference. But then again, our Bible is corrupt and many years and translations have left it rife with error.

Oh well

 

[hamba2han]

But Planten, you see the key difference here is that Jesus was not solely just a prophet. He WAS God.

So it is indeed settled then, Christians definitely do NOT accept that Jesus (pbuh) is the “Prophet like unto Moses”… unless, of course, you are assigning divinity to Moses (pbuh) as well… Are you??

 

[inJESUS]

So it is indeed settled then, Christians definitely do NOT accept that Jesus (pbuh) is the “Prophet like unto Moses”… unless, of course, you are assigning divinity to Moses (pbuh) as well… Are you??

Jesus was a human as well so your point doesn’t work am afraid. You can refer to my thread and write a list of peculiarities between Muhammad and Moses like the list of 31 examples i presented so far.

 

[revelations]

So it is indeed settled then, Christians definitely do NOT accept that Jesus (pbuh) is the “Prophet like unto Moses”… unless, of course, you are assigning divinity to Moses (pbuh) as well… Are you??

My goodness! You would think after all this time on this site you would have seen this at least once…Jesus was both fully man and fully God.

John 1:14 - *“And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.”

*The Word (Jesus) became like man, became flesh. He had all the traits and weaknesses of the flesh, but was also fully divine. Here is the full quote from the Holy Bible, in context, Acts chapter 3, NAB:

17"Now, brothers, I know that you acted in ignorance, as did your leaders. 18But this is how God fulfilled what he had foretold through all the prophets, saying that his Christa] would suffer. 19Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, 20and that he may send the Christ, who has been appointed for you—even Jesus. 21He must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets. 22For Moses said, 'The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you. 23Anyone who does not listen to him will be completely cut off from among his people.

and KJV:

20And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
22For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

That prophet is Jesus Christ.

 

[SereneOne]

Rapida,

I will include you in my prayers tonight as we will dedicate a rosary to you. You are in a very difficult position you probably did not intend for yourself on your wedding day. You are acting as a mediator not just between two religions but between, I am afraid, mortal enemies. I am greatly afraid for you that your trials will end with either your conversion to Islam or your husband divorcing you or with your death. I wish it were not so. The outcome will depend upon the man your husband is. He, of course, cannot leave Islam for Christianity – that would be a capital offense for his faith and his family. You cannot divorce him easily per sharia law (nor do I read you as one who would quickly arrive at this decision). In addition, your husband’s pride would be greatly harmed. His faith says he can beat you until you obey him, but I read you as someone strong enough in your own Faith as to not yield easily to such infantile pressures. There is also the possible “honor killing” which seems acceptable to muslim societies, which could be your greatest threat.

Like I promised, we will pray for you and your marriage.

May God’s Love and Christ’s Mercy be with you always, even in the darkest of times.

 

[swariffin]

Hi

Mind you please, this message if it is of hatred it is not from Jesus, but it is according to Luke, I don’t think JesusYeshuaIssa ever said any words of hatred, not like of him.

Thanks

Dear Paarsurrey,

Luke did not mean to spread the hatred either. But you are correct regarding your posting about Jesus (or Yeshualssa as you call Him). After reading the writing of your ProphetMessiah, I understand why your position toward Jesus is different than other muslims. But, I believe that between you and me (plus my fellow Christians), we have one common basis, which is love. If you agree with this, then we are one. Forget about our differences in theology.

 

[c659smith]

maybe you are one with Islam but I am not. I am part of a one holy catholic and apostolic church.

This is not of hate but of faith and following Christ and wipping the dust off my sandels and moving on. I will pray that the people of Islam will find Jesus as God and Savior. But if you do not accept him as your savior you are condemned as there is no life in you.

By stating you are one with Islam or a person that has false Gods and Prophets because of love you are not getting it.

 

[De_Maria]

** I know the meaning as you do. But please look at the words. I do not say anything against Jesus. but look at the words. If I do the same as your friends do with our scripture then there is no escape for you. **

It is Muslims which twist the meaning of the Christian Scriptures. Not the least of which calling them corrupted without any evidence at all to support the contention.

As for our twisting the Quran’s meaning, I for one use the Muslim interpretation. It is those Muslims who are here trying to pass on a false tale of “peaceful Islam” that are twisting the Muslim Scriptures.

And I tell you as I have told the others. If you want us to believe that you are in good faith, then teach your own Muslims how to intepret the Quran peacefully. Because world events prove that Muslims believe in world domination and in killing nonMuslims.

The words are very clearly giving a message to the disciples of hating the mother and father and all. You should please admit that it is so. Because it is written like that.

I understand why you are clinging to your misinterpretation of Christ’s words. Because the Quran has proven too hard to defend. That is understandable since it is a work of Mohammed’s imagination.

Sincerely,

De Maria

 

[De_Maria]

So it is indeed settled then, Christians definitely do NOT accept that Jesus (pbuh) is the “Prophet like unto Moses”.

How do you come to that conclusion?

… unless, of course, you are assigning divinity to Moses (pbuh) as well… Are you??

But Jesus is Man as well as God. You did not know that?

Or is this another example of how Muslims debate by twisting facts and interpreting Scripture falsely?

Sincerely,

De Maria

 

[swariffin]

De Maria…

What kind of Catholic am I?

Probably a bad one. I struggle with my faith every day. Many days I lose.

But I do my best. I fight hard to hang on to it. I have been to the Vaitcan as a child, heard John Paul II. I have walked on my knees at Fatima. And I pray each day, every day for God to shore me up for one more day.

Dear Rapida,

My prayer to you. In this posting, I believe that I have to request you to forgive DeMaria if he is too harsh in his wording. I understand your situation, and the brother of my grandma is a Hajj (He is a muslim since he was young). I hope that your life in your family is a good one. Just like mine. When I was a kid, I used to sit in his bossom, while he told me children stories. Even after I grow up, I always like to visit him. I never agree to his belief especially after I learn more about Catholicism. And yet, our disagreement does not prevent us from loving each other.

Once you believe in a specific religion (whatever it is) you better learn more about it. You have to know what your religion teaches, so you will not becoming a false militant fundamentalist who believe the religious leader more than the religion itself. In that case, you may end-up believing in a person/persons more than God. That what Jesus meant as quoted in Luke 14:26. In case of DeMaria, perhaps you should take the positive things about what he said. Such as, as a Christian, we do believe that Jesus is God. Forget the manner of his tone, but take the idea first.

What Jesus said in Luke, means that you are not eligible to follow Jesus, if you obey to your father, mother, husband, wife who force you otherwise. In this case, you must put God on top of any other things. Period. Jesus never meant to order us to hate our parents/husband/wife/others. It was a parable. You see? All the alphabets and words in the bible are not enough to describe God. Therefore, we believe in the guidance of the Holy Spirit. In the Catholic Church, we trust the Magisterium who has the final authority to reject false interpretations of the scriptures. That is why, we do not take any people’s interpretation of the bible for granted, especially from a non Catholic.

BTW, I cut your posting in my quotation for simplicity reason. My prayer to you and your family too. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Keep on praying sister, you believe the power of a true prayer, don’t you?

 

[swariffin]

maybe you are one with Islam but I am not. I am part of a one holy catholic and apostolic church.

This is not of hate but of faith and following Christ and wipping the dust off my sandels and moving on. I will pray that the people of Islam will find Jesus as God and Savior. But if you do not accept him as your savior you are condemned as there is no life in you.

By stating you are one with Islam or a person that has false Gods and Prophets because of love you are not getting it.

Dear brother Smith,

What I mean we are one, it means one in Christ since Paarsurrey also believe in Jesus teaching as well. I apologize if I misled you.

 

[c659smith]

B]After reading the writing of your ProphetMessiah, I understand why your position toward Jesus is different than other muslims. But, I believe that between you and me (plus my fellow Christians), we have one common basis, which is love. If you agree with this, then we are one. Forget about our differences in theology.

How did I mis read this? is paasarey not a Moslem?

The teaching by Christ is that he is Lord and Savior.

What others interpet is false Gods and Prophets****