Why Is Muhammad The Greatest?

[estesbob]

He not only said he was the greatest but he Proved it. Remember what he did to Joe Frazier?

 

[ralphinal]

The man was an absolute prophet. “I’ll knock him out in the third round.” And then, low and behold…

And do not forget, according to the Greatest, he was gifted with being pretty above all others. Even in defeat, he was pretty. And he was a BAD MAN

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

I hope some intellectual muslim could answer us on this.

Muhammad was born without a father and his mother died soon after he was born.
Jesus had a miraculous birth.

Muhammad committed acts of murder, lying & pedophilia according to the hadeeths of muslim, tabari & bukhari
Jesus had impeccable character.

Muhammad’s sons all died in their infancies, allah did not save them, neither could muhammad.
Jesus healed the sick and resurrected Lazarus from death.

Muhammad was poisoned to death by a slave girl.
Jesus sacrificed Himself on the cross for mankind.

Muhammad says to kill the enemies of allah.
Jesus taught love and healed even the soldier that sought to capture Him.

Jesus (according to even muslims) will one day return from the skies.
Muhammad is today still rotting in Medina.

SO…FOR WHICH OF THESE DO MUSLIMS CALL MUHAMMAD GREATER?

PLUS… SINCE WHEN IS HAVING SEX WITH A BIOLOGICALLY UNDERAGED GIRL OF 9 YEAR OLD FAIL TO QUALIFY AS PEDOPHILIA?

With one exception - the second item - these are things that Mohammad was in no position to influence: men cannot be blamed for the circumstances in which they are born, for example​

As for the fifth item: holy war against the enemies of God’s people is not sinful. Waging HW might be criticised as morally regressive, & by Christian standards it is - but Muhammad was not a Christian; & its not fair to test him by standards of which he was ignorant

As for the paedophilia: marrying a nine-year old girl is not necessarily an immoral act; it would be by the moral & legal standards of Western Christian cultures today, but it was not always so - & it is not self-evident that it was immoral by the standards known to him.

I don’t agree with Islam, or anything that relativises Christ; but I do think we should avoid applying moral standards that don’t fit that time or place - we don’t expect the OT saints to exhibit the moral character of NT Apostles & Saints

 

[jblake]

Gottle of Geer;:

but Muhammad was not a Christian; & its not fair to test him by standards of which he was ignorant

a) The mythical fable about Mohammad indicates that he did have contact with Christians. What is not clear is the sect that he would have been in contact with. The working hypothesis is that it was a branch of Oriental Christianity.

b) Going by the same mythical fables, Mohammad created Islam as a Jewish sect. The Jews refused to recognize his sect, on the grounds that it violated the Torah in several significant respects.

IOW, using either Christian, or Jewish criteria is fully justifiable, because he claimed knowledge of both religions.

xan

jonathon

 

[Mr.Bee]

Sorry if I’m derailing this thread, but I heard something today from a reliable source.

Jesus was the only one who fulfilled prophecy and has a genealogy (as told through Matthew and recorded in scripture)

All the others, Muhammad, Buddha, etc… do not.

I’m sure someone out there disagrees, knows more than I do, or has a spin, but I thought I’d put it out for discussion.

Merry Christmas everybody!

 

[revelations]

Hi, this thought has been kicking around in my head for a long time, and I’m thinking that this is my chance to spout it out.

A long time ago I was in a big big argument about the origins of Islam, and Judaism and Christianity. The whole thing was that we all traced our lineage back to Abraham. From what I understood, the Arab nation broke off from the original tribes of Israel? The key part is that Christians, Jews, and Islam all claim to worship the same God of Abraham.

Anyways, the Jews worship the just and loving God of Abraham. After a couple a thousand years God humbles himself and becomes the Son incarnate in flesh, and encourages all to continue worshipping the God of Abraham (the one true). God preaches a gospel of love and forgiveness, and true spiritual power.

So then, 600 years later, the same God of Abraham (the one true God of the Jews, Christians, and Arab-Jews of the time) appears to Muhammad and dictates to him what is essentially a new Gospel, that includes portions about non-believers (Christians and Jews, the original chosen by God of Abraham). Christians and Jews adhere to the same kind of Gospel as well, Christians are kind of like reformed Jews, they are our brethren in spirit.

Question 1:why did all of the sudden, the one true God of Abraham, the Alpha and Omega, all knowing and wise, creator of all things living, change his mind? Someone is not telling the whole story. And also, when God of Abraham decides to do something radical like a change in Dogma, he sent Jesus Christ who had a profound effect on evangelising the Jews to preach the new Gospel.

Question 2: Why was it necessary to divide and conquer the surrounding territories to increase the initial numbers of worshippers of Islam? Not a soul was harmed by the apostles during their mass conversions. They were so effective they were martyred by the Romans.

I am interested in a serious response from a scholar of Islam or a true apologist, this has been kicking around in there for a long time. If i have made any errors please correct them in charity, as i have asked this question out of ignorance.

-revelations

 

[jblake]

revelations;:

The key part is that Christians, Jews, and Islam all claim to worship the same God of Abraham.

The Q’ran also mandates the worship of three Goddesses. (One of them is the Goddess of the Moon. I’ve forgotten what the other two are of. [This is found in the “Satanic Verses” of the Q’ran. Verse that were not redacted during the three major redactions of the Q’ran.] )

Question 2: Why was it necessary to divide and conquer the surrounding territories

Islam was created in a period of tribal warfare, as a means of unifying the tribes, and directing their warfare against outsiders. The theology is designed for societal control. By suppressing theological opponants, all dissent can be eliminated.

xan

jonathon

 

[SereneOne]

One other thing: In Revelations, the number 666 is identified to mark the Beast and his followers. During John’s time (who Rev is attributed to) the Julian Calendar was still in use. Julius Caesar began the Julian Calendar in 45 B.C. If you use the Julian Calendar to date the beginning of Islam, the first year in the Islamic Calendar begins in the year 666 of the calendar which John used at the time of his vision.

May God protect you all with His Mercy.

 

[Valke2]

One other thing: In Revelations, the number 666 is identified to mark the Beast and his followers. During John’s time (who Rev is attributed to) the Julian Calendar was still in use. Julius Caesar began the Julian Calendar in 45 B.C. If you use the Julian Calendar to date the beginning of Islam, the first year in the Islamic Calendar begins in the year 666 of the calendar which John used at the time of his vision.

May God protect you all with His Mercy.

Islam’s Calendar starts 662 CE, no matter what calendar you use. And the Julian Calendar began in 50 BCE, not 45 BCE. I don’t understand how using the Julian Calendar would have Islam starting at 666 CE.

Anyway, would you believe that everything that occurred in 666 CE was attributable to Satan?

 

[revelations]

Everyone seems to think the mark of the beast will be a microchip, or something like that. But everyone read this link (or at least scroll down to the photo):

fp.thebeers.f9.co.uk/beast.htm

It explains that John, in his vision, recorded down the symbols that he saw. You can see at this link:

mathsisgoodforyou.com/images/mathsequ/alphabeticgreek.jpg

That chi is the “X” (600), xi is for 60, and digamma is for 6. The first symbol chi bears a very strong resemblance to the crossed swords of Islam, and the xi (a squiggly) is very similar to the name of alla, rotated 90*.

name of allah: suficenter.org/Images/InnerPhotos/al-ism.gif

If I were John, and had never heard of Islam, this would make a great deal of sense.

Anyways, it’s all speculation. And I looked it up, Allah is not the god of Abraham, so i answered my own question .

 

[revelations]

Also another nail in the coffin is this:

From 1John chap 2:
*
18Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

20But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
21I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

** 22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
**
23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
*
Of interest are verses 19, 22, 23.
And also:
**From 1 John 4:3:
**

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Of all the religions on the earth today, which one fervently denies the Father and the Son? The son is an unimportant prophet, and the father is the distant Allah, not the God of Abraham. This is all very very clear in the Bible.

The Islam preached here in N.America is not the same Islam from the middle east.

 

[inJESUS]

Revelations,

the whole idea of Allah being pagan or whatever is wrong. Allah is simply an arabized version of ancient languages, used before Muhammad, and he later used it in his book.

 

[inJESUS]

.I don’t agree with Islam, or anything that relativises Christ; but I do think we should avoid applying moral standards that don’t fit that time or place - we don’t expect the OT saints to exhibit the moral character of NT Apostles & Saints

i agree with you. But here we are talking about someone who came after Jesus, not before, claiming to teach what Jesus taught.

 

[Jesusisgod]

One other thing: In Revelations, the number 666 is identified to mark the Beast and his followers. During John’s time (who Rev is attributed to) the Julian Calendar was still in use. Julius Caesar began the Julian Calendar in 45 B.C. If you use the Julian Calendar to date the beginning of Islam, the first year in the Islamic Calendar begins in the year 666 of the calendar which John used at the time of his vision.

May God protect you all with His Mercy.

And the name of Lucifer is Heylel Ben Shachar in Isaiah 14. The word Heylel is the root word of Halal. The commercial trademark for Islam. Everything in the bible fits perfectly. Look into the origins of islam’s deity and you will find that it is the the moon-idol, Baal. The arch-enemy of God, the very idol that Elijah fought against at Mt Carmel.!

Beware!

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

a) The mythical fable about Mohammad indicates that he did have contact with Christians. What is not clear is the sect that he would have been in contact with. The working hypothesis is that it was a branch of Oriental Christianity.

b) Going by the same mythical fables, Mohammad created Islam as a Jewish sect. The Jews refused to recognize his sect, on the grounds that it violated the Torah in several significant respects.

IOW, using either Christian, or Jewish criteria is fully justifiable, because he claimed knowledge of both religions.

xan

jonathon

Not if he didn’t acknowledge them as valid for him, it’s not.​

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

The Q’ran also mandates the worship of three Goddesses. (One of them is the Goddess of the Moon. I’ve forgotten what the other two are of. [This is found in the “Satanic Verses” of the Q’ran. Verse that were not redacted during the three major redactions of the Q’ran.] )

Islam was created in a period of tribal warfare, as a means of unifying the tribes, and directing their warfare against outsiders. The theology is designed for societal control. By suppressing theological opponants, all dissent can be eliminated.

xan

jonathon

They are:​

• Al-Lat
• Al-Manat
• Al-Uzzah

• & I think Al-Manat is the moon-goddess, if her name is anything to go by

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

And the name of Lucifer is Heylel Ben Shachar in Isaiah 14. The word Heylel is the root word of Halal. The commercial trademark for Islam. Everything in the bible fits perfectly. Look into the origins of islam’s deity and you will find that it is the the moon-idol, Baal. The arch-enemy of God, the very idol that Elijah fought against at Mt Carmel.!

Beware!

the Biblical Baal was​

• not a moon-god
• or a sun-god
• but a weather-god

• specifically, the god AKA Hadad/Adad/Addu. Helel ben Shachar is a different god from him. Baal Hadad is also the god referred to in the Bible as Rimmon (which, as it means “pomegranate”, is probably a mocking distortion of his name Ramman, “Thunderer (?)”. FWIW.)

I hate to sound like an apologist for Islam

 

[Jesusisgod]

the Biblical Baal was​

• not a moon-god
• or a sun-god
• but a weather-god

• specifically, the god AKA Hadad/Adad/Addu. Helel ben Shachar is a different god from him. Baal Hadad is also the god referred to in the Bible as Rimmon (which, as it means “pomegranate”, is probably a mocking distortion of his name Ramman, “Thunderer (?)”. FWIW.)

I hate to sound like an apologist for Islam

I don’t know if you should listen first to the professors on this before you give your opinion cos you could easily mislead people with what you think you know. Anyway, I don’t want to be the judge…But you might like to visit this site:

biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm

As for the name heylel, its at www.ridingthebeast.com

 

[jblake]

## Not if he didn’t acknowledge them as valid for him, it’s not.

At a minimum, he did acknowledge Judaism. Originally, Islam was a reformulation of Judaism, for nomadic desert tribes.

xan

jonathon

 

[mark_a]

that’s easy…

because he beat sonny liston, joe frazier, ken norton, and george foreman!

“I am the greatest!”

Was he greater tha Kareem Abdul Jabbar or Cat Stephens?