Why Is Muhammad The Greatest?

[hamba2han]

Jesus will not apply Sharia law in his kingdom. He has always taught love and forgiveness, and that is the law he set down for us - to love God and to love your neighbors including your enemies. The law of love is very powerful.

Remember what Jesus (pbuh) said about divine laws during his first stay in the world some 2000 years ago:

Matthew 5
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Why then should it be any different the next time he comes again to this world that would make it unnecessary for him to apply divine laws to all of humankind?

Do not forget that we are talking about divine laws to rule over humanity while still in this world and not the Hereafter.

I have seen (pbuh) quite a lot. Can you please tell me what these letters stand for? thank You
JeanneH

‘pbuh’ is the abbreviation for ‘peace (and blessings of Allah) be upon him’ and it is always used as a sign of utmost reverence whenever Muslims mention the name of any of the Prophets of God (peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all).

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Dear FoA,

The bible (John 1:1-14) says without mentioning the name that the word of God which is God became human. The Christian recognized it to be Jesus as Jesus himself said it many times (InJesus, DeMaria, and other brought them in other thread). You call it an idol.

Then, you mentioned that Quran warns not to make idols… as Muslims have done with Muhammad. So, you call that an idol too.

My untrained theology brain cannot follow you. So, what does it means of worshipping God according to you. But anyway, it is off-topic. You should bring it up in a new thread.

God is God, God’s Word is what He says, the Holy Spirit is how He gets the message out there.

Like you are you, your words are what you say, your voice is how you get the message out there. Your words and your voice aren’t two other people, they are just part of you one person.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

So:

Quran 3:59 Truly, the likeness of Jesus, in God’s sight, is as Adam’s likeness; He created him of dust, then said He unto him, ‘Be,’ and he was.

Then:

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

That’s all it says, God spoke and His Word was made flesh, just what the Quran says. Nothing there says Jesus is God.

However:

Exodus 4:15-16 And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do. And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shalt be to him instead of God.

Jesus being a prophet like Moses, God’s voice is also with him, and Jesus is also like God to the people as Moses was. When Jesus speaks, he speaks as God, but he still isn’t God.

So then, saying Jesus is created like Adam and not a deity doesn’t rob him of the authority of God, it just says he isn’t God and shouldn’t be worshiped as God, but still respected and obeyed as the authority of God placed on earth.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

A king needs laws in order to rule his kingdom.

I’m curious to know what laws do you think that Jesus (pbuh) will use to rule the world when he comes back to it from the heavens?

The reason I ask is because I believe that it is only the Sharia which is both universal and comprehensive enough to rule over the entire planet.

Is Jesus (pbuh) going to apply the Sharia or is he coming back with a different set of divine laws in order for him to effectively rule over all of humanity?

For now Jews are supposed to follow Torah as given by Moses, and Gentiles are supposed to follow laws similar to Noahide Laws as stated in Acts. For Gentiles, no idolatry, blasphemy, murder, theft, fornication, and eating blood. Gentiles don’t have to follow all the laws of Moses.

I think that’s how it will be during the millennium when Jesus returns, but Jesus said the Old Covenant laws will last until heaven and earth pass away which is at Judgment and the end of the millennium. Satan is destroyed then and there is no more sin so I don’t see that there will be need for any laws after that, we will just all have goodness in our hearts and always do the right thing.

 

[Selene]

Remember what Jesus (pbuh) said about divine laws during his first stay in the world some 2000 years ago:

Matthew 5
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Why then should it be any different the next time he comes again to this world that would make it unnecessary for him to apply divine laws to all of humankind?
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When Jesus said that he did not come to destroy the law and the prophets but to fulfill it, he was referring to the moral law. The moral law, which are the Ten Commandments were fulfilled by Christ by explaining and perfecting it (See Matthew 5:20-49). Christ fulfilled the moral law by teaching them to love and forgive. If you love your neighbors, you will not lie to them, steal from them, or even kill them. To love means that you are willing to give up your life for your neighbor.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

When Jesus said that he did not come to destroy the law and the prophets but to fulfill it, he was referring to the moral law. The moral law, which are the Ten Commandments were fulfilled by Christ by explaining and perfecting it (See Matthew 5:20-49). Christ fulfilled the moral law by teaching them to love and forgive. If you love your neighbors, you will not lie to them, steal from them, or even kill them. To love means that you are willing to give up your life for your neighbor.

The Law refers to all the Laws of Moses for Jews, Torah.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Those who want to call themselves Jews still have to follow Torah until God says not to.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Selene]

The Law refers to all the Laws of Moses for Jews, Torah.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

The law that Jesus was referring to was the moral law because if you look at all the verses after Matthew 5:18, it speaks about murder, adultery, dishonesty, and even love of enemies. Jesus did not mention anything about sacrificing animals, which God also required in His commandments to the Jews.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

The law that Jesus was referring to was the moral law because if you look at all the verses after Matthew 5:18, it speaks about murder, adultery, dishonesty, and even love of enemies. Jesus did not mention anything about sacrificing animals, which God also required in His commandments to the Jews.

However he still commanded Jews to follow all the Laws of Moses.

Matthew 23:2-3 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

That’s what it means to be a Jew, if you don’t observe Torah you aren’t a Jew, you are a Gentile. Then you don’t have to observe all those Laws, or follow Sabbath, or be circumcised.

 

[dolphinlove]

** It seems that the christians cannot believe in any unseen thing, unseen god etc. That is why they have the santa from the very beginning so that their children become used to seeing and believing. Even though there may not be any harm in that but it is not at all necessary. It will only misguide the children. Likewise with the fairies and giants which do not exist.

The christians had to bring their god down to earth in human form. It is all a link in the same chain. Muslims do not believe in any such thing. They try to understand their God (Allah) from His attributes which are well described in the Quran. We don’t need to see the God who is a spirit.**

Have you ever heard of the Nicene creed?

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty.
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen,
and in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
only begotten Son of God,
born of the Father
before all worlds,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten not made,
of one being with the Father,
through whom (him) all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.

 

[MelanieAnne]

** It seems that the christians cannot believe in any unseen thing, unseen god etc. That is why they have the santa from the very beginning so that their children become used to seeing and believing. Even though there may not be any harm in that but it is not at all necessary. It will only misguide the children. Likewise with the fairies and giants which do not exist.

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You are misinformed. Santa is a more recent invented figure. Santa only came on the Christmas scene within the past few hundred years. Since Christianity has been here for nearly 2 thousand years, Santa cannot, by any stretch of the imagination be said to be here “from the very beginning”.

But the discussion of Santa is a distraction from the topic of this thread anyway. To bash Christianity with a discussion of Santa is simply an excuse to bash. That it rude.

 

[inJESUS]

Mohammed was sent mainly as a check against Christians because they won’t give up their idols. Like the Santa Claus deity

santa claus was is a late invention. Am sure Allah did not have him in mind…

they teach children to believe in, an immortal pagan God with magical powers: he see you when you’re sleeping, knows when you’re awake, so you better be good because he has the power of judgment over you.

 

[inJESUS]

** It seems that the christians cannot believe in any unseen thing, unseen god etc.**

we believe the Father is unseen,the Holy Spirit is unseen, angels, demons ecc. Jesus, as the Word incarnate, is seen just as you see the Word of Allah in a book.

That is why they have the santa from the very beginning so that their children become used to seeing and believing.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

inJESUS: santa claus was is a late invention. Am sure Allah did not have him in mind…

Why, if God knows everything that’s going to happen.

inJESUS: deity? never heard of it…angels do watch us while sleeping? they know when you’re awake? they write the bad/good deeds you do? are they a deity? or you just dont mention them to children as well?

Then you teach children to believe a lie that Santa is more like an angel who does all that, only to have their belief in him shattered when they reach a certain age. But it is true he is closely associated with Jesus since he arrives on the supposed day of his birth.

So why should children believe you about angels or God or Jesus? Maybe it’s just another lie. Is that supposed to be a good Christian thing to do, lie in order to shatter faith?

inJESUS: in real Christianity santa claus has no existence and Allah knows this…you will find him mentioned in no theological book…and he is no false Christ since he does not exist in the first place.

You find Santa being taught by Christian parents to young children, for sure.

inJESUS: and who will Allah sent now to punish all the sects of Islam?

Christians and Jews, of course. Iraq has been turned upside down because of their evil Muslim leader.

 

[JeanneH]

Remember what Jesus (pbuh) said about divine laws during his first stay in the world some 2000 years ago:

Matthew 5
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Why then should it be any different the next time he comes again to this world that would make it unnecessary for him to apply divine laws to all of humankind?

Do not forget that we are talking about divine laws to rule over humanity while still in this world and not the Hereafter.

‘pbuh’ is the abbreviation for ‘peace (and blessings of Allah) be upon him’ and it is always used as a sign of utmost reverence whenever Muslims mention the name of any of the Prophets of God (peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all).

Thank you
JeanneH

 

[inJESUS]

inJESUS: santa claus was is a late invention. Am sure Allah did not have him in mind…

Why, if God knows everything that’s going to happen.

by this reasoning, it’d have been better if Allah adressed Muslims deifing Ali, or Muslims following Ghulam Ahmad, or Muslims being misguided by hadith, or , or , or. These are much better than refuting some things done with small children with good intentions and that turn out to be nice memories as adults.

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inJESUS: deity? never heard of it…angels do watch us while sleeping? they know when you’re awake? they write the bad/good deeds you do? are they a deity? or you just dont mention them to children as well?

Then you teach children to believe a lie that Santa is more like an angel who does all that, only to have their belief in him shattered when they reach a certain age.

do not worry about children…they all grew up with this culture, and none was traumatized.

So you wouldnt teach children about angels as well, maybe they’ll think they are Allah and be misguided?

Maybe it’s just another lie. Is that supposed to be a good Christian thing to do, lie in order to shatter faith?

again, do not worry about children…i grew up in this culture and believe me, am a sound person…my life was not shattered because of a nice lie that keeps good memories…

You find Santa being taught by Christian parents to young children, for sure.

but thats not Christianity so you cannot put it under Christianity but under culture.

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inJESUS: and who will Allah sent now to punish all the sects of Islam?

Christians and Jews, of course. Iraq has been turned upside down because of their evil Muslim leader

ah so we are all sent to punish each others. Besides, Christians exist because of Jesus, so if they came to punish Jews, then Jesus is the Key. Likewise in Islam, Muhammad is supposed to have come punish us…yet in case of Islam, it is humans, not a prophet?

 

[FaithofAbraham]

by this reasoning, it’d have been better if Allah adressed Muslims deifing Ali, or Muslims following Ghulam Ahmad, or Muslims being misguided by hadith, or , or , or. These are much better than refuting some things done with small children with good intentions and that turn out to be nice memories as adults.

I’m not sure what you mean. No one should intentionally associate Christmas lies with Jesus in the minds of children, so that people wonder if Jesus is a lie too. That’s all a trick of Satan and one more way to get people to doubt God.

do not worry about children…they all grew up with this culture, and none was traumatized.

Are you sure? Maybe that’s why so many are atheists now.

So you wouldnt teach children about angels as well, maybe they’ll think they are Allah and be misguided?

Angels are angels and God is God, there’s no confusion or lie in teaching that.

again, do not worry about children…i grew up in this culture and believe me, am a sound person…my life was not shattered because of a nice lie that keeps good memories…

A nice lie?

Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

but thats not Christianity so you cannot put it under Christianity but under culture.

Santa is only a thing for Christmas which is surely Christian. Most Christians only defend it, so they are mostly to blame.

ah so we are all sent to punish each others. Besides, Christians exist because of Jesus, so if they came to punish Jews, then Jesus is the Key. Likewise in Islam, Muhammad is supposed to have come punish us…yet in case of Islam, it is humans, not a prophet?

Gentiles are often symbolized by Iron, Jews by Clay in prophecy, Christians and Muslims accept Jesus:

Proverbs 27:17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Jews have been pretty broken by Gentiles, especially the Christians.

 

[MelanieAnne]

In my opinion, this Santa discussion is a backhanded way of criticizing Christians and Christianity. While those of other faiths are welcome to post here and discuss religion, they are not welcome to insult us.

 

[inJESUS]

I’m not sure what you mean. No one should intentionally associate Christmas lies with Jesus in the minds of children, so that people wonder if Jesus is a lie too. That’s all a trick of Satan and one more way to get people to doubt God.

i meant that Allah should have had in mind other serious problems within Islam instead of worrying about santa claus. No one wonder if Jesus is a lie because of santa claus. All of us on this forum lived in this culture and none lost faith in God because of santa because we unnderstand wat it symbolizes…you are presenting childhood as a naive age that will develop with stupidity or misguidance in adulthood. Adults however understand wht Christmas is about, and what santa symbolizes…yes these same adults who were kids…just as these children might think that babies come from the cabbage only to realize as adults that it takes sexual union…we are neither stupid, nor does God think so. There are much more serious things to have in mind rather than a childhood culture.

Are you sure?

 

[inJESUS]

In my opinion, this Santa discussion is a backhanded way of criticizing Christians and Christianity. While those of other faiths are welcome to post here and discuss religion, they are not welcome to insult us.

no it is not an insult…it is finding any reason for the advent of Muhammad. Add to the “corruption” reason another one : santa clause!

 

[FaithofAbraham]

There are much more serious things to have in mind rather than a childhood culture.

God worries about everything that is off base. How do you know atheists may not have been influenced by the Santa lie?

yet angels see you sleeping, see you wake up, write down your deeds…wasn’t this your refutation to the deification of santa claus?

Ok, then you are lying about Santa being like an angel then and associating that lie with Jesus. No difference.

yet it is not Christianity…it is a culture, not a doctrine.

But it happens on a holiday most Christians participate in, and Christians themselves take responsibility when they promote a lie.

in what sense?

Inquisitions and Hitler were pretty harmful to Jews.

 

[MelanieAnne]

no it is not an insult…it is finding any reason for the advent of Muhammad. Add to the “corruption” reason another one : santa clause!

Well, I don’t know about you, but long before any mention of Santa Claus, I would be offended to be told that Christianity was corrupt.

In any event, we know that Islam is the thing that we should reject because our own scriptures warned us of it:

Galatians Chapter 1

8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach (to you) a gospel other than the one that we preached to you, let that one be accursed!

9 As we have said before, and now I say again, if anyone preaches to you a gospel other than the one that you received, let that one be accursed!

As we can see from this scripture, we were warned about someone purporting to be an “angel” bringing another message. Yet that is just what Muhammad claimed happened. So if Muslims want to charge corruption, perhaps they shoud look closer to home.