Why Is Muhammad The Greatest?

[MelanieAnne]

You aren’t saying anything either way, because you know it’s impossible to answer if you want to maintain validity of your doctrine.

So you shouldn’t wonder why non-Christians don’t want to follow Christians into that tight jam they put themselves in with Trinity.

You’re incorrect in your assumption, hence you proceed to a false conclusion. You are, in fact, wrong to assume the reasons that you do not get the answers you want to hear. Indeed, it is fallacious to expect everyone to be just like you, we are not.

This is a Catholic forum. We are bound to be charitable at all times. You need to keep that in mind. That requirement applies to all of us all the time. The reasons that you don’t get the answers to some of the questions you want answers to may be varied but in no way does the absence of an answer suggest that there is no answer at all, and truly, you have yet to show yourself as being willing to accept an answer anyway. But the lack of an answer to your liking does not equal a confirmation of your false belief (and, truth be told, some of those questions may be viewed as preposterous, or worse, by Christians).

You misunderstand the concept on the Trinity on a fundamental level. I will continue to pray for your discernment of the truth. There are many things that you appear to need to learn. But first you need to be willing to learn. While I will continue to pray for you, I’ve not yet seen any willingness on your part to learn.

Peace be with you.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

You are, in fact, wrong to assume the reasons that you do not get the answers you want to hear

Any answer will do – of course I would prefer that you just admit Jesus worships God like we all do.

But even an I DON’T KNOW would be better than dancing around the simple question with a bunch of mumbo jumbo.

Anyway, just drop it.

 

[swariffin]

The word “worship” is nowhere in what you posted, it is a smoke.

Can’t anyone even answer this one little question:
Does Jesus still worship God?

During Jesus’ presence among human, and being human himself, Jesus must give a living and seen example to worship God, especially to His deciple who would later carry on His duty.

 

[dolphinlove]

The word “worship” is nowhere in what you posted, it is a smoke.

Can’t anyone even answer this one little question:
Does Jesus still worship God?

Again i wasnt blowing smoke.
I was trying to cover all basis for you to understand.
He was praying to the father to give us an example of how to pray to him, and he was praying more for guidance from the father, which does not mean he was worshiping him.
The reason Jesus was here, besides being our saviour, is to be an example of what was to come with Christianity, so that includes praying, being tested, everything.

 

[Reuben_J]

This thread has just turned 40 pages. Despite the seemingly useless argument presented here by the Muslims, a little comfort stands quite cheekily for us Christians. Despite all the silly and sometimes near absurd questions thrown by the Muslim posters, the Christian theology remains intact. None is being debunked. And mind you, this is supposed to be a thread on Mohammad!

Lift your heads high, people of the Lord, for the gate of hell will not prevail upon the church built on the rock of St. Peter. The Bible and the Chruch have been subjected to close scrutiny for centuries since its inception and yet its truth is not swayed by the taunts of the Evil One. Facts and truth of Christianity will prevail.

FaithfofAbraham, Planten and Hamba2han are extensions of the thoughts of Mohammad while we are guided by Jesus. The origin of their wisdom is the Evil One, incarnated in Mohammad and churned out in the darkness. It can never overcome the light for the Word was the source of life, and this life brought light to people. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has never put it out.

THE DARKNESS HAS NEVER PUT IT OUT.

But this cannot be said about Mohammad. For his source is the darkness itself. The dark will be overcome by the light. When you bring the darkness out to the light, it wilts and be overcome. That’s what exactly happening here. None of the Christians’ assertions on Mohammad were defended and repudiated. They can’t because their foundations are built on lies.

So, once again – Mohammad is NOT the greatest and NOT a true prophet of God. His source, when it was not from his uneducated mind, was from the Devil himself. The only thing the Devil would want above anything else is to spread that lie that Jesus did not die. That’s his only chance to decieve and to salvage whatever that was left from his defeat by the Lord’s death and ressurection.

 

[dolphinlove]

Ill add my :twocents: ro Reuben’s post…
All we can do is pray for you, and hope the Holy Spirit will enter your hearts so you can learn the truth.

Ive just been on the prayer intention forum, which is why im in such a nice mood…

 

[hamba2han]

FaithfofAbraham, Planten and Hamba2han are extensions of the thoughts of Mohammad while we are guided by Jesus.

I cannot speak for the first two posters who you named but as for myself, this would be my own extension of the true teachings of Prophet Jesus (pbuh).

 

[dolphinlove]

I cannot speak for the first two posters who you named but as for myself, this would be my own extension of the true teachings of Prophet Jesus (pbuh).

Oh yeah, i remember when you got thoroughly debunked on that thread as well!
Still praying for you.

 

[Valke2]

I hope some intellectual muslim could answer us on this.

Muhammad was born without a father and his mother died soon after he was born.
Jesus had a miraculous birth.

Muhammad committed acts of murder, lying & pedophilia according to the hadeeths of muslim, tabari & bukhari
Jesus had impeccable character.

Muhammad’s sons all died in their infancies, allah did not save them, neither could muhammad.
Jesus healed the sick and resurrected Lazarus from death.

Muhammad was poisoned to death by a slave girl.
Jesus sacrificed Himself on the cross for mankind.

Muhammad says to kill the enemies of allah.
Jesus taught love and healed even the soldier that sought to capture Him.

Jesus (according to even muslims) will one day return from the skies.
Muhammad is today still rotting in Medina.

SO…FOR WHICH OF THESE DO MUSLIMS CALL MUHAMMAD GREATER?

PLUS… SINCE WHEN IS HAVING SEX WITH A BIOLOGICALLY UNDERAGED GIRL OF 9 YEAR OLD FAIL TO QUALIFY AS PEDOPHILIA?

I thought this might be a good time to revisit the OP, which is completely disresptful and insulting toward Islam. The truth is that this thread should have been closed with an apology to muslims on post 2.

 

[hamba2han]

Still praying for you.

Unfortunately, Muslims are not allowed to pray for disbelievers.

Then how can non-Muslims obtain salvation, you might ask?

Easy, sincerely embrace Islam and all of your sins will be forgiven, God-willing.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Ill add my :twocents: ro Reuben’s post…
All we can do is pray for you, and hope the Holy Spirit will enter your hearts so you can learn the truth.

Ive just been on the prayer intention forum, which is why im in such a nice mood…

Sure it isn’t one of those “I’ll pray that you aren’t a retarded idiot anymore” type prayers Christians like to disguise as insults?

Heh.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

FaithfofAbraham, Planten and Hamba2han are extensions of the thoughts of Mohammad while we are guided by Jesus. The origin of their wisdom is the Evil One, incarnated in Mohammad and churned out in the darkness. It can never overcome the light for the Word was the source of life, and this life brought light to people. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has never put it out.

THE DARKNESS HAS NEVER PUT IT OUT

I can plainly answer questions about my beliefs without a mind numbing, mind blowing array of razzle dazzle to confuse people even more.

How about you, do you believe Jesus worships God, or not?

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Again i wasnt blowing smoke.
I was trying to cover all basis for you to understand.
He was praying to the father to give us an example of how to pray to him, and he was praying more for guidance from the father, which does not mean he was worshiping him.
The reason Jesus was here, besides being our saviour, is to be an example of what was to come with Christianity, so that includes praying, being tested, everything.

So you mean Jesus only acted like he was worshiping God to set an example, and that Jesus doesn’t worship God now?

 

[Booklover]

Sure it isn’t one of those “I’ll pray that you aren’t a retarded idiot anymore” type prayers Christians like to disguise as insults?

Heh.

You know nothing about Christianity if you can make a statement like that!

Vickie

 

[ralphinal]

Unfortunately, Muslims are not allowed to pray for disbelievers.

Then how can non-Muslims obtain salvation, you might ask?

Easy, sincerely embrace Islam and all of your sins will be forgiven, God-willing.

And there it is. Jesus taught us to love everyone. Jesus taught us to pray for those who hate us. Jesus taught us to pray for our enemies. Jesus taught us to forgive those who hurt us, even if they do not ask for it. Why does Muhammid not teach the same thing?

As Jesus said, “For if you love those who love you, what recompense will you have? Do not the tax collectors do teh same?” Matt 5:46 Loving those who love you, praying for those who pray for you is a sign of ABSOLUTLY NOTHING!!!

Why would Muhammid have a different message? Why would God contradict Jesus with the Koran?

 

[FaithofAbraham]

You know nothing about Christianity if you can make a statement like that!

Vickie

Oh come on Christians do it all the time.

“I’ll pray for you (because you are such a moron).”

haha

 

[FaithofAbraham]

And there it is. Jesus taught us to love everyone. Jesus taught us to pray for those who hate us. Jesus taught us to pray for our enemies. Jesus taught us to forgive those who hurt us, even if they do not ask for it. Why does Muhammid not teach the same thing?

As Jesus said, “For if you love those who love you, what recompense will you have? Do not the tax collectors do teh same?” Matt 5:46 Loving those who love you, praying for those who pray for you is a sign of ABSOLUTLY NOTHING!!!

Why would Muhammid have a different message? Why would God contradict Jesus with the Koran?

I though hamba2han was joking since I’ve never heard you can just become a Muslim and all your sins are forgiven.

 

[ralphinal]

FoA,
The problem is not that no one is answering you. The problem is no one is giving oyu the answer that you want. You have said before that you throw out any explinations that do not agree with your theology. If this is true, and I have no reason to doubt it as you have a fairly deep, well developed theology, then even if we show you these things, will you recieve them?

While on earth, Jesus prayed to the Father. There are several reasons. First, he was showing us the proper ways. Second, he was fully in the role of Savior and as such certain things were not known to him (such as the day and hour of the end). Third, he desired the increased communication with God. In the Garden, he prayed that he be delivered, BUT then he added “not my will but yours be done.” What was the Father’s will? That Jesus wouold die so that those who beleive in him might have eternal life. Jesus then suffered horribly, died on the cross, and was laid in the tomb. Three days later, he ROSE from the dead, with the golorified body that all humans in heaven will recieve. Once he ascended into heaven, He assumed the place on the White Throne, to be worshiped as HE IS ETERNALLY GOD!

Look in Revelation. Show me one example of Jesus being worshiped. Now, please point out one example of Jesus worshipping.

 

[ralphinal]

I though hamba2han was joking since I’ve never heard you can just become a Muslim and all your sins are forgiven.

He may have been, and if so I am sorry if my post was unduely harsh. Actually, i am sorry if it was harsh anyway. I do know that there is a verse in the Koran that says that you should not forgive those who work against the faith.

Your post about the “I pray that you are no longer an idiot” was funny to me. I know several people who pray like that.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

FoA,
The problem is not that no one is answering you. The problem is no one is giving oyu the answer that you want.

That’s not true, I was getting no answer at all. FINALLY dolphinlove gave a partial answer, that Jesus was just pretending to worship God be an example for his disciples. I don’t think it’s a good answer but at least it is one.

Look in Revelation. Show me one example of Jesus being worshiped. Now, please point out one example of Jesus worshipping.

Then you are you also saying Jesus doesn’t really worship God?

Matthew 14:22-23 And straightway Jesus constrained his disciples to get into a ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while he sent the multitudes away. And when he had sent the multitudes away, he went up into a mountain apart to pray: and when the evening was come, he was there alone.

So Jesus went by himself to pray, not as an example or anything like that, but as an act of worship. Do you agree or no?