Why Is Muhammad The Greatest?

[ralphinal]

That’s not true, I was getting no answer at all. FINALLY dolphinlove gave a partial answer, that Jesus was just pretending to worship God be an example for his disciples. I don’t think it’s a good answer but at least it is one.

Then you are you also saying Jesus doesn’t really worship God?

Matthew 14:22-23 And straightway Jesus constrained his disciples to get into a ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while he sent the multitudes away. And when he had sent the multitudes away, he went up into a mountain apart to pray: and when the evening was come, he was there alone.

So Jesus went by himself to pray, not as an example or anything like that, but as an act of worship. Do you agree or no?

I think that I finally see the disconnect. Yes, while on earth he worshipped the Father. There are reasons for that, as have been posted on here. As of the time he entered heaven, however, he no longer worships God as he IS God. I hope this helps.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

I think that I finally see the disconnect. Yes, while on earth he worshipped the Father. There are reasons for that, as have been posted on here. As of the time he entered heaven, however, he no longer worships God as he IS God. I hope this helps.

Yes that answers a bit more.

So then I would ask, what happened to the man spirit and flesh of Jesus that is supposed to keep worshiping God, as it did on earth? Did it just go away when Jesus ascended?

Or is God who was once fully God of three equal parts, now 2/3 fully God (Father and Spirit) and 1/3 God plus a man (Word+Jesus)?

 

[Booklover]

Unfortunately, Muslims are not allowed to pray for disbelievers.

Then how can non-Muslims obtain salvation, you might ask?

Easy, sincerely embrace Islam and all of your sins will be forgiven, God-willing.

You can’t even pray for the conversion of disbelievers? islam is all about the “us” versus “they” mentality. It offers Muslims nothing. It deprives them of their humanity, it removes every drop of human kindness in their bodies, it strips them of their individuality and paralizes their powers of reasoning.

It is a bankrupt cult that keeps Muslims firmly in the past and fills them with superstitious nonsense. As this article so aptly states:

"Islam is a brain eraser. No one with a sound rational mind would believe the nonsense, immoralities and contradictions in Islam, let alone being proud of the most dishonorable and criminal life of Mohammad, and continue believing in him. Calling him the most “honorable” of all prophets.

A Muslim is fed since his birth, to the point of bursting, that he’s a member of the most privileged and best people of all creation ever produced by Allah. "Koran 3:110 Ye are the best of Peoples, evolved for mankind”. Coupled with being injected (also to the point of bursting) with the inferiority of all other people especially Christians and Jews the sons of apes and pigs.

For more than 14 centuries, the failing, backward and for the majority completely bankrupted (literally on every level) Islamic societies and (gangsters) rulers had nothing to offer their populations other than misery and desperation with no hope for a better life (in this world). To compensate for their shortcomings, they drilled in the Muslim brain that belief of superiority, and filled him with Islam 24/7/365 to feed his (false) pride short of feeding his stomach and convinced him that if Allah allowed Christian, Jews and Westerners to prosper it’s only so he can plunder them “ Koran 33:27 And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods (money), and of a land which ye had not frequented (Before).”

Vickie

 

[ralphinal]

Yes that answers a bit more.

So then I would ask, what happened to the man spirit and flesh of Jesus that is supposed to keep worshiping God, as it did on earth? Did it just go away when Jesus ascended?

Or is God who was once fully God of three equal parts, now 2/3 fully God (Father and Spirit) and 1/3 God plus a man (Word+Jesus)?

This gets into things that are even harder to comprehend then the Trinity itself. Once he was given his glorified body, his human will and intellect were permenantly fixed on God. Now, how the Essence (or Spirit) of God is integrated with the physical body is not known or understood. We know that heaven is not so much a physical place as it is a state of being with God with nothing in the way. After the final judgement, those who are to be in heaven will be given glorified bodies (hence the phrase “Resurection of the dead”) and they will dwell in heaven with God. Those who are doomed to hell will aslo have the new body, but they will suffer damnation in it.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

"Koran 3:110 Ye are the best of Peoples, evolved for mankind”. Coupled with being injected (also to the point of bursting) with the inferiority of all other people especially Christians and Jews the sons of apes and pigs.

You cut off half the verse which also gives credit to Christians and Jews who believe.

Quran 3:110 Ye are the best community that hath been raised up for mankind. Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency; and ye believe in Allah. And if the People of the Scripture had believed it had been better for them. Some of them are believers; but most of them are evil-livers.

Apes and pigs are used for the unfaithful of Jews and Christians, not for all of them. Like Jesus called some Pharisees snakes and such. Jesus even called Peter Satan, can’t get much worse than that about your own first pope straight from the man himself.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

This gets into things that are even harder to comprehend then the Trinity itself. Once he was given his glorified body, his human will and intellect were permenantly fixed on God. Now, how the Essence (or Spirit) of God is integrated with the physical body is not known or understood. We know that heaven is not so much a physical place as it is a state of being with God with nothing in the way. After the final judgement, those who are to be in heaven will be given glorified bodies (hence the phrase “Resurection of the dead”) and they will dwell in heaven with God. Those who are doomed to hell will aslo have the new body, but they will suffer damnation in it.

So you don’t know if now, the Father and Spirit are also partly human, or if only the Son is partly human, within the Trinity? That would be a good thing to research.

 

[Booklover]

You cut off half the verse which also gives credit to Christians and Jews who believe.

Quran 3:110 Ye are the best community that hath been raised up for mankind. Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency; and ye believe in Allah. And if the People of the Scripture had believed it had been better for them. Some of them are believers; but most of them are evil-livers.

Apes and pigs are used for the unfaithful of Jews and Christians, not for all of them. Like Jesus called some Pharisees snakes and such. Jesus even called Peter Satan, can’t get much worse than that about your own first pope straight from the man himself.

Jesus called Peter “Satan” because Peter was trying to dissuade him from his mission.

Vickie

 

[ralphinal]

So you don’t know if now, the Father and Spirit are also partly human, or if only the Son is partly human, within the Trinity? That would be a good thing to research.

Sorry, I did not answer that part. Father is all Spirit. Hily Spirit is all Spirit. Son is Both, but all God. God is God. The part that I cannot explain is how it “works.” All three are God. We must remember that the rules of the world do not apply in heaven at all. Christians do not have the understanding that heaven is like earth that is more perfect, or that heaven is in and of itself a place of physical pleasure in any way.

 

[Booklover]

So you don’t know if now, the Father and Spirit are also partly human, or if only the Son is partly human, within the Trinity? That would be a good thing to research.

Would you explain what this means:

Allahumma salli ala sayyidina Muhammad wasallim.”

Vickie

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Jesus called Peter “Satan” because Peter was trying to dissuade him from his mission.

Vickie

Ok. So what does that say about the founder of your Church? That he was the model of perfection, who even denied he knew Jesus?

So why do you think Mohammed should be like Jesus with no flaws – though most of that is gossip and rumor anyway like the Talmud says Jesus is an evil Egyptian wizard burning in feces of hell.

And why do always Christians forget how they raped the Jews, African slaves, and Native Americans of their lands and freedom? How the Church wouldn’t even let people read the Bible and kept followers in the dark? How even recently they protect child rapers?

I’m not defending Muslims, but let’s have a reality check here if you are going to start trashing the Quran and Mohammed along with all the bad Muslims.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Would you explain what this means:

Allahumma salli ala sayyidina Muhammad wasallim.”

Vickie

I don’t know I don’t speak Arabic.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Sorry, I did not answer that part. Father is all Spirit. Hily Spirit is all Spirit. Son is Both, but all God. God is God. The part that I cannot explain is how it “works.” All three are God. We must remember that the rules of the world do not apply in heaven at all. Christians do not have the understanding that heaven is like earth that is more perfect, or that heaven is in and of itself a place of physical pleasure in any way.

Doesn’t that make for 2/3 fully God + 1/3 fully God/fully human? Seems like that shakes up what Trinity is supposed to be.

 

[ralphinal]

Doesn’t that make for 2/3 fully God + 1/3 fully God/fully human? Seems like that shakes up what Trinity is supposed to be.

You are being too literal and missing the metaphysical. The rules of physics and matter that we are governed by do not exist in heaven. Simply put, God is God. God is not 2/3 Spirit and 1/3 fully God/Fully Man. IT defies the laws of nature as we see them, but heaven is not the earth. I am not sure of a good example, because I cannot explain it any better.

Let’s look at this, we know that angels are intellect and will only with no physical form, except for the time that God needs them to. Likewise, even as just intellect and will, we see that they can interact with matter on earth. I do not have the ability to think and will an object to move, but angels can. Why is that? Because angels are not governed by the rules of earth.

 

[mangy_dog]

This gets into things that are even harder to comprehend then the Trinity itself. Once he was given his glorified body, his human will and intellect were permenantly fixed on God. Now, how the Essence (or Spirit) of God is integrated with the physical body is not known or understood. We know that heaven is not so much a physical place as it is a state of being with God with nothing in the way. After the final judgement, those who are to be in heaven will be given glorified bodies (hence the phrase “Resurection of the dead”) and they will dwell in heaven with God. Those who are doomed to hell will aslo have the new body, but they will suffer damnation in it.

Raphinal,

While heaven is not a physical place in our current understanding of physical space/time, it is an actual realm, …a place.
And I think you’re doing a great job keeping this guy and Hambo at bay. Your counter-arguments are good.
Me, I have no patience for these guys.

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

You are being too literal and missing the metaphysical. The rules of physics and matter that we are governed by do not exist in heaven. Simply put, God is God. God is not 2/3 Spirit and 1/3 fully God/Fully Man. IT defies the laws of nature as we see them, but heaven is not the earth. I am not sure of a good example, because I cannot explain it any better.

Let’s look at this, we know that angels are intellect and will only with no physical form, except for the time that God needs them to. Likewise, even as just intellect and will, we see that they can interact with matter on earth. I do not have the ability to think and will an object to move, but angels can. Why is that? Because angels are not governed by the rules of earth.

Does all this mean the humanity of Jesus was only an illusion, that he was God the whole time, as with angels appearing as men?

Or is Jesus really human at all?

 

[ralphinal]

Raphinal,

While heaven is not a physical place in our current understanding of physical space/time, it is an actual realm, …a place.
And I think you’re doing a great job keeping this guy and Hambo at bay. Your counter-arguments are good.
Me, I have no patience for these guys.

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

You are correct, but for this conversation, we need to see it as a unity with God unfettered by sin or desires of the flesh/world.

I have been a member almost since this started, but I got so frustraited with some Protestant posters I had to walk away. I have much more patience with Muslims. I enjoy learning how they see the world.

 

[ralphinal]

Does all this mean the humanity of Jesus was only an illusion, that he was God the whole time, as with angels appearing as men?

Or is Jesus really human at all?

Now you swing to far to the other side. Jesus was fully Man and Fully God. The angel thing was an example of how the laws of physics do not apply to those in heaven.

I think you beleive that Jesus had a physical body because you know that he died.

 

[mangy_dog]

You are correct, but for this conversation, we need to see it as a unity with God unfettered by sin or desires of the flesh/world.

I have been a member almost since this started, but I got so frustraited with some Protestant posters I had to walk away. I have much more patience with Muslims. I enjoy learning how they see the world.

God bless your patience. Continue the mission.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Now you swing to far to the other side. Jesus was fully Man and Fully God. The angel thing was an example of how the laws of physics do not apply to those in heaven.

I think you beleive that Jesus had a physical body because you know that he died.

What I’m asking is if Jesus is fully man, fully God any longer – right now.

Or is the human part of Jesus we know from Gospels gone now?

 

[abucs]

FOA,

do you get paid to be on this site asking the same questions about the trinity and the divinity of Christ each day ?

To say God is now 1/3 human is absurd, and i think that is why you keep saying it. Because you want it to sound absurd. No Catholic thinks of the trinity as 1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3.

If i go to Heaven i will not be human either. Humanity is a thing of material existance from the Christian perspective. You should have picked that up the first dozen times Christians told you that.

The catechism of the Catholic Church says the trinity cannot be understood - just like things like the omnipressence of God and eternity cannot be understrood. That doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Nobody can define God whether you beleive in the trinity or the Father alone all by himself.

I submit that after so much discussion with Christians you will either never understand Christian thinking or you willfully choose not to.

Do yourself a favour and stop asking the same questions and pretending that nobody ever answers you.

We should be kind to eachother but after day and night you coming on a Catholic site and repeating the world according to FOA which basically says Catholicism is wrong with your likeminded friends with laughable, unfounded and insulting history claims which denigrate the Christian church:
i am forced to say what many Christians views are on Islam -

that is, you should worry less on the divinity of Christ and more on a fifty years old plus Muhammod saying that an angel told him in a dream he could wed a six year old girl, lie with her and rub his genitals against her and then at the age of 9 have sex with her.
Islam is not a continuation of Christianity in any way let alone a better way.

Muslims do not beleive in the bible. They say they do but anywhere there is a contradiction, like the above posts, praying for you enemies (Jesus) or being told not to pray for even unbelievers (Muhammad) then the koran takes precedence and the muslim mind automatically says the bible was corrupted, without any evidence and against all historical records to the contrary.

This is not believing in the bible but taking Christians to be easily led idiots and is insulting every time it is mentioned.

No one spoke of Muhammad in the OT, Muhammad fulfilled no prophecies, took away no sin, was not resurrected, was not crowned as the new David to fulfil the promise of God.

He PERSONALLY was responsible for widespread death including beheadings in cold blood and torture of prisoners, he was responsible for theft and rape on a large scale, forced women as his wives (ahem - sex slaves) after torturing and killing their husbands and left a book (written by his followers) that is a complete non co-herant embarressment to the vast majority of non muslims who read it.

Because it is so obviously not only a false religion, but one that does not claim within itself to be the equal of Christianity’s claims in prophecy or revelation or action, muslims are REDUCED to denigrating Christianity that claims to be so much more in order for its followers to somehow think Muhammad actually did something inspired by God and was the greatest prophet.

I have travelled in Muslim lands and know many pious and loving muslims who are a credit to God. I pray for them that when their religion is self examined more closely that they don’t tear themselves apart in civil war because at some stage Islam will be internally rejected by large number of muslims when it is safe to do so.

When those societies start to publicly reject Muhammad i pray God will be with them in their suffering and continue to make them strong through his grace.

I pray for them not as enemies, but brothers in Christ who took away their sins also should they continue to remain in God in fulfilment of the long awaited Messianic prophecies given many times from the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

May his kingdom come and bring peace on the earth