Why Is Muhammad The Greatest?

[swariffin]

So you mean Jesus only acted like he was worshiping God to set an example, and that Jesus doesn’t worship God now?

Why do you think that the word of God must worship God?. Why would you think that your word must obey (i.e worship) you? God knows for sure that His Own Word does not have to obey Him, because His Own Word is one in being with God Himself. Thinking that Jesus is independently worshipping God is also a deviation of the Trinity. That makes Jesus as another being out of God the Father. So your question is wrong. In the Trinity, Jesus in one in being with the Father, so that the idea of Jesus worshipping God is irrelevant.

 

[dolphinlove]

First of all everyone is really old on this forum.

Oi respect your elders or ill whip you with my cane

Im only 35, im not THAT old… am i?

 

[swariffin]

Unfortunately, Muslims are not allowed to pray for disbelievers.

Then how can non-Muslims obtain salvation, you might ask?

Easy, sincerely embrace Islam and all of your sins will be forgiven, God-willing.

Dear Hamba2han,

You are wrong. We the Christian have been saved. All we have to do now, is maintaining that salvation. You are still need to be saved according to you, and still need to maintain that salvation. And again, that salvation does not come easy, my brother.

You don’t have to pray for us if your so-called pieceful religion forbade you to pray for the unbeliever. We don’t mind, because our salvation does not come from Muhammad. Even Muhammad himself asked you to pray for him.

But, we are obliged to pray for non Christian believers as well, because we believe that God wants all human to be his follower, whether you are a believer of not at this present time. As opposed to yours, our religion even required us to pray for the unbeliever as well. And that is not a prayer for curse for sure.

So, in this forum you make your own conclusion about your so-called pieceful religion as opposed to Christianity. Thanks for posting, so I don’t have to write things about your religion. You did it for me.

 

[holdencaulfield]

Right here, we are hashing out the difference between beliefs, isn’t that why this forum is here, to compare and contrast?

In other areas I agree like with purgatory, confession, etc. This just isn’t one of them. Should we just forget it? I’m not forcing anyone to reply to me you know.

He does have a point though. I don’t think the point of this forum is to bash other people’s religions. That doesn’t mean you can’t disagree and argue. But this thread has turned really bad.

 

[swariffin]

Yes that answers a bit more.

So then I would ask, what happened to the man spirit and flesh of Jesus that is supposed to keep worshiping God, as it did on earth? Did it just go away when Jesus ascended?

Or is God who was once fully God of three equal parts, now 2/3 fully God (Father and Spirit) and 1/3 God plus a man (Word+Jesus)?

Dear FoA,

The Word of God is the Word of God, regardless what the form appears. With respect to God, His word is His word. Jesus flesh as the Word of God dwell among human, will remain so to the context of God’s action toward human. Remember that God is an unseen being. With respect to God, and in the realm of God, Jesus’ flesh is irrelevant. When God the unseen being talks to human, the flesh of Jesus (as the word of God reaches human in an intimate way of communication) will be seen by human, because human needs two ways communication to be effective.

BTW, when i said intimate, i don’t mean any sexual issue involved.

 

[swariffin]

Does all this mean the humanity of Jesus was only an illusion, that he was God the whole time, as with angels appearing as men?

Or is Jesus really human at all?

Dear FoA,

Your Mathematical formula cannot explain the Trinity. For sure, there is no partial God. You can refer back to my posting about what we believe in Trinity, in case you forget. Thinking that God in fractions is already a mistake since the beginning.

 

[paarsurrey]

Dear Hamba2han,
You don’t have to pray for us if your so-called pieceful religion forbade you to pray for the unbeliever. We don’t mind, because our salvation does not come from Muhammad. Even Muhammad himself asked you to pray for him.

Hi

I don’t agree withe Hamba2han.

We could and we must pray for guidance/salvation of the whole world. There is no verse barring us form this, in fact the very first Sura of Quran isntruct us to pray for the whole world.

The Holy Quran : Chapter 1: Al-Fatihah

[1:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful
[1:2] All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all the worlds,
[1:3] The Gracious, the Merciful,
[1:4] Master of the Day of Judgment.
[1:5] Thee alone do we* worship and Thee alone do we* implore for help.
[1:6] Guide *us **in the right path –
[1:7] The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings, those who have not incurred Thy displeasure, and those who have not gone astray.

• This we/us is for the whole world.

www3.alislam.org/showChapter.jsp?ch=1

Thanks

 

[paarsurrey]

Quote:
Originally Posted by hamba2han
Unfortunately, Muslims are not allowed to pray for disbelievers.

I didn’t notice that post earlier. That is really sad and I hope it’s not true, because perhaps that is proof that Muhammad is not the greatest because it shows lack of humility, love, and compassion.

Hi

Kindly refer to my post #743, for response.

Thank you

 

[paarsurrey]

Quote:
Originally Posted by hamba2han
Unfortunately, Muslims are not allowed to pray for disbelievers

Lol just goes to show which religion is right after all!
With this quote alone, you have just demonstrated that Islam is not a religion that God would want representing him, as Catholics, we pray for EVERYONE, the non believers, the believers of other religions, we demonstrate pure love to EVERYONE, not just our own brethren!

Hi

Kindly refer to my post #743, for response.

Thank you

 

[paarsurrey]

I don’t believe Muhammad to be the greatest because he didn’t recognise prophecy.I made this point back in post #571, and then things when crazy after that. It’s a shame; I’d like to talk more about prophecy . it’s my favourite subject.

Hi

Would you please explain " he ( Muhammad) didn’t recognise prophecy."?

Thanks

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

Hi

Would you please explain " he ( Muhammad) didn’t recognise prophecy."?

Thanks

Hi paarsurrey,

It’s rather simple. Christ was born from a virgin. Christ died. Christ is risen.

All of this, and more, was foretold by ancient prophets. Christ fulfilled these prophecies.

Muhammad was too blind to see this. Muhammad had the gall to go against history and deny Christ died on the cross. And that’s why Muhammad is not the greatest.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Dear FoA,

Your Mathematical formula cannot explain the Trinity. For sure, there is no partial God. You can refer back to my posting about what we believe in Trinity, in case you forget. Thinking that God in fractions is already a mistake since the beginning.

There’s not much other choice with a TRIinity that puts God in three positions, is there?

 

[FaithofAbraham]

I didn’t notice that post earlier. That is really sad and I hope it’s not true, because perhaps that is proof that Muhammad is not the greatest because it shows lack of humility, love, and compassion.

I never heard of such a thing, that Muslims can’t pray for others.

 

[swariffin]

There’s not much other choice with a TRIinity that puts God in three positions, is there?

There is no three Gods. You just don’t understant the Trinity, but already make conclusion yourself. The funny thing is, you close your mind for explanations. That is really funny, like a physicist define a new law of physics without prior experiment/research. You can not even tell that your interpretation of the bible is correct.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

There is no three Gods. You just don’t understant the Trinity, but already make conclusion yourself. The funny thing is, you close your mind for explanations. That is really funny, like a physicist define a new law of physics without prior experiment/research. You can not even tell that your interpretation of the bible is correct.

I understand what the Church says Trinity is just fine.

But you do have God in fractions, 1/3 Father, 1/3 Son, 1/3 Holy Spirit. To say you don’t just because it doesn’t sound good is misleading.

Some of you explain it, then I can repeat the exact same thing back to you and then you say, “no it’s this way” and it flip flops back and forth and gets made up as it goes along.

That’s why it’s futile to even get on the subject, few of you maintain a consistent story because I don’t think you even understand it yourselves.

 

[swariffin]

I understand what the Church says Trinity is just fine.

But you do have God in fractions, 1/3 Father, 1/3 Son, 1/3 Holy Spirit. To say you don’t just because it doesn’t sound good is misleading.

Some of you explain it, then I can repeat the exact same thing back to you and then you say, “no it’s this way” and it flip flops back and forth and gets made up as it goes along.

That’s why it’s futile to even get on the subject, few of you maintain a consistent story because I don’t think you even understand it yourselves.

Dear FoA,

Please show any of us saying that God the Father is 1/3 of God, and so on… so much that you accuse us as being inconsistent.

At least, I open my mind for the main source of Christianity which is the Church it self. I even look for others for comparison such as from you. But, if you want to figure out the correct view of the Trinity and if you don’t believe us, why don’t you go to the Church view to get that. There are many sources if you want to know. The www.catholic.com is quite a good source and you are in it. Have you done that, before making conclusions and accusations?

That is why I said you are just like a physicist making a new law of physics without experimenting/researching.

 

[Reuben_J]

Put in a nutshell this is essentially what the argument in this thread is all about.
**Christians:
That God became man [and gave His own life on the cross for the salvation of mankind].

Muslims:
It is impossible for God to become man.**

By implication this means:
Christians:
God is love; His love is infinite.

Muslims:
God is NOT love; His love is limited.

Muslims should get themselves clear on this first before proceeding into the supporting details.

The BIG FACTOR that contributes to your mental block in understanding the Christian concept of the Trinity is because you do not understand the love of God. For you, God is a slave master who drives the slaves to do His will even if it is at the expense of their own lives.

When we tell you that God actually gave His own Son because of His love for us, you get into a state of hyper-shock. You do not understand this because it has never been told to you. You’re perplexed – How can this be; how can a master sacrifice his own life for his slaves. How is it possible that a master loves his slaves that much?

We don’t have a problem with this because we know God as a loving Father. As an imperfect human father loves his children, God is a perfect Father who loves His children.

I think everything is very clear now as to why we got stuck in an impasse every time we discuss the concept of the Trinity.

And of course, nothing much is mentioned about Mohammad, for obvious reason.

 

[dolphinlove]

Ive read through the responses and i think you have been given quite reasonable answers FoA.
The bottom line is you fail to understand the true meaning of the trinity. Im not saying that as a cop out, cause if you did understand it, you wouldnt be asking questions was God a 1/3 human etc.
I take my hat off to the people that have persisted with you and your questioning.
My knowledge of Christianity is not as good as a lot of peoples on here as im still studying quite a bit and need to get up to scratch since ive only really come back into my faith just over a year ago, or i would be happy to continue this ‘debate’ with you.
I just want to know how you find it alright to think a prophet like Mohammed is worth following over Jesus?

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Dear FoA,

Please show any of us saying that God the Father is 1/3 of God, and so on… so much that you accuse us as being inconsistent.

Well, count the parts/aspects/persons/whatever you want to call it of Trinity:

TRINITY GOD

1. Father
2. Son
3. Holy Ghost

Father looks like 1/3 of the whole Trinity God to me, how about you?

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Muslims:
It is impossible for God to become man.

I’ve never claimed that it’s impossible for God to do anything. I just don’t believe He did it with Jesus for all reasons I’ve ever given.