Why Is Muhammad The Greatest?

[FaithofAbraham]

I just want to know how you find it alright to think a prophet like Mohammed is worth following over Jesus?

I follow Jesus, I just don’t follow the Church’s teachings of Jesus.

 

[Reuben_J]

God is the greatest “illusionist” there is… and Jesus (pbuh) is still alive.

I do not see there is anything morally wrong about performing an illusion… especially when it is done by a loving “father” who just wanted to save the life of his completely innocent “son” from being tortured and killed by evil people.

Sorry to say this, but actually it was the illusion of Mohammad during one of those oppressive Satanic attacks that he used to undergo. Johnny-come-lately Mohammad (about 600 years later) had the cheek to atrociously claimed, without batting an eyelid that Jesus did not die; that what happened on that Friday afternoon on Calvary was actually a mass hysterical illusion of the crowd.

Johnny-come-lately Mohammad said this against the firsthand experience of Jesus’ friends, disciples, relative and mother, who saw him breathed his last, took his body down from the cross, touched and embalmed it, laid it in the sepulcher and on the third day on Sunday saw the empty tomb of the risen Lord.

Johnny-come-lately Mohammad said this against the supernatural happenings, at the moment of Jesus death, of the earthquake and the torn curtain at the temple and did not know what they symbolized.

Johnny-come-lately Mohammad said this against the personal experience of more than 500 people who saw and talked to Jesus after the resurrection.

Johnny-come-lately Mohammad said this against the personal testimony of the crowd who looked intently at the sky as Jesus was lifted up and engulfed in the cloud. The crowd who saw and heard two angels addressed them; why, they who were men of Galilee standing there looking at the sky. That Jesus who had been taken up from them would return in the same way as they had seen him going to heaven.

So it is not Christians who are having illusion, but Mohammad, whose eyes and mind, oppressed and possessed by the accuser of the brethren, who had the devilish illusion.

So, who are we to believe: the word of unbelieving Mohammad spoken 600 years later after the incident or the testimonies of the believers who were present and witnessing it?

 

[dolphinlove]

I’ve never claimed that it’s impossible for God to do anything. I just don’t believe He did it with Jesus for all reasons I’ve ever given.

What about all the teachings, healing of the sick, miracles he performed?

 

[swariffin]

Well, count the parts/aspects/persons/whatever you want to call it of Trinity:

TRINITY GOD

1. Father
2. Son
3. Holy Ghost

Father looks like 1/3 of the whole Trinity God to me, how about you?

Am I writing to a fraction of FoA? What about the other fraction of FoA? How do I know if I agree to this fraction of FoA, the other fraction(s) will agree too? At least I only see your writing, not your face, hand, body, not your entire self.

By reading my writing only, I guarantee that you get the idea from the whole swariffin. You don’t have to see the entire me to get my idea, brother. If in my writing, I write that I agree with you, it means that the entire swariffin agree with you.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

What about all the teachings, healing of the sick, miracles he performed?

All by the power of God, same as miracles Moses, Elijah, and other prophets performed. Jesus doesn’t need to be God to do all those, he only needs to be a man God trusts with all that power.

 

[dolphinlove]

All by the power of God, same as miracles Moses, Elijah, and other prophets performed. Jesus doesn’t need to be God to do all those, he only needs to be a man God trusts with all that power.

There is a difference though, Jesus did not pray nor spoke to God before all of his miracles, Moses, Elijah DID, God told them what to do and they did it, then God performed the miracle, with Jesus, he COULD perform the miracles because he is God, thats the difference

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

Hi FaithofAbraham,

You’re wasting everybody’s time, including yours. There is no way anybody can understand how Jesus can be God. But if you believe the bible to be divinely (name removed by moderator)sired, then you have no choice but to believe Jesus is God… even if you don’t understand it.

I know what your problem is, FaithofAbraham; You don’t believe the bible to be divinely inspired. You believe that the Qur’an is divinely inspired. There and there are our differences.

We can not explain the Trinity. We can only try to shine some light on it for those who believe. But if you don’t believe, don’t waste your time.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Am I writing to a fraction of FoA? What about the other fraction of FoA? How do I know if I agree to this fraction of FoA, the other fraction(s) will agree too?

If I defined FoA as three persons here, you would be directly replying first to fraction #1 and a 1/3 of the FoA Trinity.

1. My post here on the Internet.
2. My fingers on the keyboard.
3. Me

If there are 3 persons in a group, then 1 person is a 1/3 of that group. Why are we debating kindergarten math?

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

If I defined FoA as three persons here, you would be directly replying first to fraction #1 and a 1/3 of the FoA Trinity.

1. My post here on the Internet.
2. My fingers on the keyboard.
3. Me

If there are 3 persons in a group, then 1 person is a 1/3 of that group. Why are we debating kindergarten math?

Here is some kindergarten math for you…

1 x 1 x 1 = 1

Get it? Divine nature is infinite. It can not be divided, nor added. So, if three people have divine nature, then it must be the same divine nature. It can not be separate divine nature, because if they were separate, it wouldn’t be divine; one would be limited by not being the other.

The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit, love with the same will and know with the same intellect.

But if you don’t believe in the bible, none of this makes sense. So, stop wasting time.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Hi FaithofAbraham,

You’re wasting everybody’s time, including yours. There is no way anybody can understand how Jesus can be God. But if you believe the bible to be divinely (name removed by moderator)sired, then you have no choice but to believe Jesus is God… even if you don’t understand it.

You are wasting your own time if you reply to me but think it is a waste of time, don’t blame me for it. I don’t need to understand how Jesus can be God because I reject the notion. If you guys want to keep trying to explain it then go ahead, if not then don’t. Simple.

I know what your problem is, FaithofAbraham; You don’t believe the bible to be divinely inspired. You believe that the Qur’an is divinely inspired. There and there are our differences.

I believe the Bible fine, just not your interpretation of it.

We can not explain the Trinity.

Then quit trying, like I said, simple.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Here is some kindergarten math for you…

1 x 1 x 1 = 1

Get it? Divine nature is infinite. It can not be divided, nor added. So, if three people have divine nature, then it must be the same divine nature.

But if you don’t believe in the bible, none of this makes sense. So, stop wasting time.

1 x 1 x 1 = 1

If you remove the first “1” from your equation, what fraction of the number of items being multiplied have you removed?

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

… I believe the Bible fine, just not your interpretation of it…

Tell me, do you believe the part of the bible where Thomas calls Jesus “My Lord and My God”?

Or do you choose to ignore this so that you can be true to your beloved Muhammad?

 

[swariffin]

If I defined FoA as three persons here, you would be directly replying first to fraction #1 and a 1/3 of the FoA Trinity.

1. My post here on the Internet.
2. My fingers on the keyboard.
3. Me

If there are 3 persons in a group, then 1 person is a 1/3 of that group. Why are we debating kindergarten math?

If I am replying to your post here in the internet, why do your fingers and yourself has to do with that? A kindergarten kid does not understand this for sure.

 

[Reuben_J]

I’ve never claimed that it’s impossible for God to do anything. I just don’t believe He did it with Jesus for all reasons I’ve ever given.

The BIG FACTOR that contributes to your mental block in understanding the Christian concept of the Trinity is because you do not understand the love of God. For you, God is a slave master who drives the slaves to do His will even if it is at the expense of their own lives.

When we tell you that God actually gave His own Son because of His love for us, you get into a state of hyper-shock. You do not understand this because it has never been told to you. You’re perplexed – How can this be; how can a master sacrifice his own life for his slaves. How is it possible that a master loves his slaves that much?

We don’t have a problem with this because we know God as a loving Father. As an imperfect human father loves his children, God is a perfect Father who loves His children.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Tell me, do you believe the part of the bible where Thomas calls Jesus “My Lord and My God”?

Or do you choose to ignore this so that you can be true to your beloved Muhammad?

I’ve said all along Jesus is like God to us, just like Moses was:

Exodus 4:16 And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou (MOSES) shalt be to him instead of God.

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God

However directly after that exchange with Thomas:

John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

So we get a clarification here, that Jesus is not God, but the Messiah and a special Son of God like Adam was.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

If I am replying to your post here in the internet, why do your fingers and yourself has to do with that? A kindergarten kid does not understand this for sure.

You have to see my post first, which came from the action of my fingers on the keyboard, which came from me.

Or for another analogy:

ME (GOD)
MY VOICE (HOLY SPIRIT)
MY WORDS IN MY VOICE (GOD’S WORD)

My voice and my words aren’t two other people, they are just me.

But if you take my words and repeat them faithfully to those on earth, then you are MY WORD on earth.

So when a man repeats God’s Words, he is God’s Word on earth and a prophet. That’s what Jesus is, a human prophet saying God’s Word, and being God’s Word to the people.

But not automatically God.

 

[swariffin]

So we get a clarification here, that Jesus is not God, but the Messiah and a special Son of God like Adam was.

Dear FoA,

By saying that Jesus is a special Son of God like Adam was, now back to the OP, do you believe that Jesus is greater than Muhammad?

 

[dolphinlove]

Bottom line is, if you cant understand the trinity, pray to be enlightened.
I think you need to do some soul searching if you really want to understand the truth.
After all, if we understood the trinity, then God would have to rethink a better way to show us that he is more devine dont you think?
The reason we dont understand is because God wants it that way, we can come to a LOT of different conclusions as to why he wanted it like this, but in the end, God is the only one who truly understands.
This is why we have faith in him, we trust him and the trinity since he gave it to us.
Unlike Islam, where your poor illiterate prophet couldnt ‘so called’ read and write, which im very sceptical about to begin with, chopped and change the scriptures to fit his lifestyle, he wanted a child bride, so be it and so on and so on.
I personally think he could read and write, an illiterate person would have trouble changing the scriptures for their own purposes.
To conclude, i think ill no longer reply to this thread before it really starts getting repetitive.
God bless those who persist in trying to please FoA

 

[FaithofAbraham]

The BIG FACTOR that contributes to your mental block in understanding the Christian concept of the Trinity is because you do not understand the love of God. For you, God is a slave master who drives the slaves to do His will even if it is at the expense of their own lives.

I see myself as a child of God too. Don’t try to stereotype all Muslims into a little box, just as Christians aren’t all the same either. Do you drink poison and handle snakes like some other Christians?

So then, you shouldn’t do that with Muslims either.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Dear FoA,

By saying that Jesus is a special Son of God like Adam was, now back to the OP, do you believe that Jesus is greater than Muhammad?

Sure he’s the greatest man of all since he is our direct mediator with God, and God over us, even though not born a God.