Why Is Muhammad The Greatest?

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FaithofAbraham said:
When we are looking at the aspects of God that are named in three types, there’s nothing wrong with saying that just one of those aspects is a third of the whole.

If Trinity doctrine goes against simple math then it is way out there and there is no point in even trying to explain or defend it if someone like me comes along to say why they don’t accept it.
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God is not simple math. We know God from what were revealed to us about Him. There may be more of Him that we are yet to know, but what had been revealed should be sufficient for us to have some idea about Him, and to guide us in our daily lives.

I repeat here that you do not know the love of God - the reason why you cannot comprehend the concept of the Trinity. Once you believe in God’s love like we do, then the Trinity will become very clear to you.

As a Muslim, the infinite love of God is not taught to you. You deny that God is a Father. So how can you believe that there is also the Son and the Holy Spirit? When the Quran quotes God as saying ‘we’ to indicate Himself, you said that was to mean God and His angels. But then again, the Quran says God does not need partnership. So what are you talking about then?
 
FaithofAbraham said:
Well, count the parts/aspects/persons/whatever you want to call it of Trinity:

TRINITY GOD
  1. Father
  2. Son
  3. Holy Ghost
Father looks like 1/3 of the whole Trinity God to me, how about you?
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The Father is 1/3 of your list. That’s the only 1/3 about it.
 
abucs said:
Guys,

perhaps you should accept the words of FOA on post #766.

'I don’t need to understand how Jesus can be God because I reject the notion".

his mind is closed. You are not going to open it until he wants it opened.

He’s not asking you questions to learn but for your answers to be a platform for him to tell you how it really is (according to him).

If he can’t understand the difference between prayer and worship that’s his problem.

If he can’t (or rather won’t) understand the Christian perspective of scripture that’s his problem.

If he thinks that not being able to explain the trinity means it’s not real that’s his problem.

If he can’t explain how God can be in a burning bush, and in all our souls, and in an elevator in New York, a cricket match in India and reigning in Heaven and everywhere else knowing all things, and he thinks that’s OK but somehow completely different from not explaining the trinity, then that his problem.

Omnipresence is a much more difficult concept than the trinity.

Just like quantum physics tells us matter is both a particle and a wave at the same time and all the universe is an interconnected quantum wave and yet intelligible to us as seperate objects only because of observation, like that, is the trinity - we know it’s there but we can’t explain it as the Catholic Church has said.

We accept Isaiah 9:6 and the prophecy …

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

We accept Jesus saying in John 14:6

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me. If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on, you know him, and have seen him.”
Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us.”
Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you such a long time, and do you not know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father. How do you say, ‘Show us the Father?’ Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I tell you, I speak not from myself; but the Father who lives in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me”.

AND ALL THE OTHER SCRIPTURES MENTIONED.

If his mind is stuck with - how can a human be in God, that’s his problem.

Take him at his word

“…I don’t need to understand how Jesus can be God because I reject the notion”.

He has to get his Muhammadism heresy first.
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I am gone for about 17 hours, and my thread gets all crazy. FoA, if you want to continue this discussion, cool. If it dies, so be it. Anyway, I would like some imput from you as to what makes Muhammid the greatest prophet.
 
Reuben_J said:
God is not simple math.
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Trinity is simple math to say that…
  1. Father
  2. Son
  3. Holy Spirit
…are three persons in the Trinity God. Do you see a 3 anywhere in there, in the term TRI, or number of persons? Or is it all just too mysterious?

Man oh man…
 
I don’t understand the difference between prayer and worship either? Can you pray without worshipping? Certainly we can agree that the formalized prayers that were used by Jewish communities during Jesus’ time (and assuming, by Jesus himself) were forms of worship and were designed to be forms of worship.
 
Valke2 said:
I don’t understand the difference between prayer and worship either? Can you pray without worshipping? Certainly we can agree that the formalized prayers that were used by Jewish communities during Jesus’ time (and assuming, by Jesus himself) were forms of worship and were designed to be forms of worship.
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You can pray without worshiping and you can worship without prayer.

To pray is to make a request of. This is the origional use of the term. Some court systems still use the termonology. To worship is to praise or honor given to that which is thought to be devine.

The two terms are treated as being synonimous, but there are differences.

We should worship God without ceasing. Praising him at all times and in all places. Even when we pray to God, we should give him the proper level of respect and worship.

I agree that most formalized prayers used by a faith system are worship.
 
Booklover said:
Thanks! I read it. Talk about weird stuff! :hypno:

Vickie
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With all the Masons and USA founders of course being the builders of Solomon’s Messianic Kingdom. Or Babylon, depending on your perspective.
 
FaithofAbraham said:
Well, count the parts/aspects/persons/whatever you want to call it of Trinity:

TRINITY GOD
  1. Father
  2. Son
  3. Holy Ghost
Father looks like 1/3 of the whole Trinity God to me, how about you?
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The Church uses the triangle to symbolically represent the Trinity and the relationship between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. While I know that God is not a triangle, this symbol helps me to understand that there is a way in which the Trinity can be understood as ONE, with each of the persons being this ONE whole and made of ONE substance, while at the same time being distinct. The Father is not the Son or the Holy Spirit, the Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son. Yet they are ONE. God shares with the lowly triangle the quality of not being divided. You can’t take 1/3rd of it away and still call it a triangle.

Sorry if this point has already been brought up. If so, I apologize.
 
FaithofAbraham said:
With all the Masons and USA founders of course being the builders of Solomon’s Messianic Kingdom. Or Babylon, depending on your perspective.
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I think the idea of America being the New Israel would also resonate with Mormons. That would fit quite nicely with their belief that Native Americans ~ from North America to South America ~ are descendants of Hebrews who came to the Americas hundreds of years ago.

You also might like the Mormon theology because they actually believe that the persons in their trinity are 3 separate “personages” (that’s what they call them) who are one in “purpose”. They believe that the person they call Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ appeared in bodily form to their prophet Joseph Smith, which pretty much settled the issue for them about separate personages.

Of course the Mormons don’t agree with Masons, etc., because so much of their Temple ritual is identical or otherwise derived from Masonic rituals. So they don’t allow their members to be Masons.
 
MelanieAnne said:
I think the idea of America being the New Israel would also resonate with Mormons. That would fit quite nicely with their belief that Native Americans ~ from North America to South America ~ are descendants of Hebrews who came to the Americas hundreds of years ago.

You also might like the Mormon theology because they actually believe that the persons in their trinity are 3 separate “personages” (that’s what they call them) who are one in “purpose”. They believe that the person they call Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ appeared in bodily form to their prophet Joseph Smith, which pretty much settled the issue for them about separate personages.

Of course the Mormons don’t agree with Masons, etc., because so much of their Temple ritual is identical or otherwise derived from Masonic rituals. So they don’t allow their members to be Masons.
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I don’t like Mormon theology either, all men are gods for them. I have some relatives who are Mormons and ex-Mormons too.
 
FaithofAbraham said:
I don’t like Mormon theology either, all men are gods for them. I have some relatives who are Mormons and ex-Mormons too.
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But at least you’d all agree on the 1/3 thing! You’re not going to get that agreement from Catholics!
 
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