Why Is Muhammad The Greatest?

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Reuben_J said:
While that may be true, the fact remains that Mohammad is not a prophet of God and therefore not the greatest. In saying that I make no apology, but I do apologise for the way I structure my words which may not be very diplomatic at times due to shortcoming in speech and writing.

I guess if the OP is guilty at all, it is the way he phrases his words. We are learning in that. The Muslims here are not doing too well either in this area. This is due to the difficulty in treading objective ground when we argue about something that’s quite in contrast.
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If you think that Muhammad is not a prophet of god then it is upto you. you are free to believe what you like. But remember that you will have to pay for the wrong beliefs. Just like those who deny Jesus will suffer, so you may also suffer in the end. Could it not be so?
 
planten said:
If you think that Muhammad is not a prophet of god then it is upto you. you are free to believe what you like. But remember that you will have to pay for the wrong beliefs. Just like those who deny Jesus will suffer, so you may also suffer in the end. Could it not be so?
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That’s what they always say.

FYI, I am extremely and exceedingly confident of Jesus as my Lord and my Saviour. I am unworthy for my place in heaven, but by his grace he has made me worthy. With that I can face him in the last judgment when he would become my Judge and my King. I know he died for me, a sinner, so that my trangressions would be ransomed from death that sins would bring. I am sick with sins and inequities but by his stripes that he endured before the cross, I am healed. By his blood I am made whole and restored in my brokeness of my relationship with God and with my fellow men.

I will not exchange my belief for anything here on earth especially not for the human and devil inspired Quran. It has no place for me. It blaspems against my Lord and my God when it says he was just a human and did not die on the cross.

No way would I believe in your prophet and your holy book. I myself will face the consequence for my belief and in life and death I place my faith in the King of kings and the Lord of lords, Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Praise the Lord. Hallelujah. Come Lord Jesus!
 
And in the name of Jesus of Nazareth, I command all evil spirits to leave this place peacefully, for you have no place in God’s holy presence. In the name of Jesus, may all curse and spell will be made null and void for by the blood of the lamb, I am made whole. May by the coverage of the precious blood of Jesus will cover this forum from all evil and its tricks and lies.

In Jesus name. Amen.
 
Reuben J:
I will not exchange my belief for anything here on earth especially not for the human and devil inspired Quran. It has no place for me. It blaspems against my Lord and my God…
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No way would I believe in your prophet and your holy book. I myself will face the consequence for my belief and in life and death I place my faith in the King of kings and the Lord of lords, Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
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I said that you can believe what you like and face the consequences of your belief. But there is no need to accuse and abuse any one. As for your writing about Jesus being the king or king of kings, I do not see that Jesus was ever a king. Nobody saw Jesus as a king. Did you see Jesus as a king in the 33 years of his humble life?? I hope not. Or in the 3 years that he preached the message of God, was he ever even for a day as a king.

Jesus spent his first 12 years in Egypt for fear of his life. You see the fear to the life of any God? Then he helped his father as an ordinary carpentar. Most part of his life is missing from any record.

There is only record of his activity for three years as a prophet of God. that is the shortest time compared to any other prophet. Please see the working time of Abraham and Jacob and Moses and Muhammad. Three years is a very short time. Please keep all these things in mind when you accuse some one next time.

Of course he was accused of being the king of Jews. But we see the whole bible NT. He was never a king. How could Jesus be the king of kings. Let us all see and face the truth. It is no use having fancy ideas to please oneself.
 
Reuben_J said:
That’s what they always say.

FYI, I am extremely and exceedingly confident of Jesus as my Lord and my Saviour. I am unworthy for my place in heaven, but by his grace he has made me worthy. With that I can face him in the last judgment when he would become my Judge and my King. I know he died for me, a sinner, so that my trangressions would be ransomed from death that sins would bring. I am sick with sins and inequities but by his stripes that he endured before the cross, I am healed. By his blood I am made whole and restored in my brokeness of my relationship with God and with my fellow men.

I will not exchange my belief for anything here on earth especially not for the human and devil inspired Quran. It has no place for me. It blaspems against my Lord and my God when it says he was just a human and did not die on the cross.

No way would I believe in your prophet and your holy book. I myself will face the consequence for my belief and in life and death I place my faith in the King of kings and the Lord of lords, Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Praise the Lord. Hallelujah. Come Lord Jesus!
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Well said! 👍
 
planten said:
I said that you can believe what you like and face the consequences of your belief. But there is no need to accuse and abuse any one. As for your writing about Jesus being the king or king of kings, I do not see that Jesus was ever a king. Nobody saw Jesus as a king. Did you see Jesus as a king in the 33 years of his humble life?? I hope not. Or in the 3 years that he preached the message of God, was he ever even for a day as a king.

Jesus spent his first 12 years in Egypt for fear of his life. You see the fear to the life of any God? Then he helped his father as an ordinary carpentar. Most part of his life is missing from any record.

There is only record of his activity for three years as a prophet of God. that is the shortest time compared to any other prophet. Please see the working time of Abraham and Jacob and Moses and Muhammad. Three years is a very short time. Please keep all these things in mind when you accuse some one next time.

Of course he was accused of being the king of Jews. But we see the whole bible NT. He was never a king. How could Jesus be the king of kings. Let us all see and face the truth. It is no use having fancy ideas to please oneself.
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This summarize the lack of understanding you have of Jesus!
You do not, and by the looks of it, will not ever have an understanding of what Jesus did, taught and helped us with.

My friend, you need to open up your heart and eyes, it does not matter the way Jesus lived (as in poor), it does not matter the way Jesus looked, or any superficial means of the way we choose to live.
Jesus was here for a purpose, to save us, to teach us and to show his love for us.
Even from a poor family, from an upbringing that is not noble, looked what he managed to do in 33 years. He led us to the truth, he loved us, and died for our salvation.
He healed the sick, he taught us we can be forgiven, he even had the power to forgive us, now i think only God can give us this, dont you think?
Mohammed NEVER cured the sick, NEVER had authority to forgive sinners, NEVER died on the cross for our salvation and the many other numerous things Jesus did and gave us!
Your so called prophet just stole ideas from the bible and any other scriptures he could lay his hands on, and if he didnt agree with it, he called it ‘corrupt’. The quran is nothing more than one mans belief and what he could achieve from HIS life, murder, greed and the way he chooses to live. That sounds more like the work of the devil than God to me.
I think if anyone should worry about their salvation, its Muslims, to follow a self obsessed man is asking for no salvation.
Jesus was also prophetized in the old testament, it was mentioned he was going to come, therefore he is the truth.
Mohammed took out the passages of the bible that said he was coming as the next prophet, what a lot of baloney that turned out to be hey! Why on earth would God send another prophet after his Son came down for our salvation, it makes no sense. Its cause Mohammed lied.
I pray for you and all Muslims that you do see the truth. And thats another thing, you are not allowed to pray for what you deem is ‘non believers’, thats another thing that flaws your religion, why on earth would God not want you to pray for others, wouldnt an all loving God want us to pray for everybody?
Anyway, ill pray for you.
 
planten said:
There is only record of his activity for three years as a prophet of God. that is the shortest time compared to any other prophet. Please see the working time of Abraham and Jacob and Moses and Muhammad. Three years is a very short time.
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THEN THIS MUST TELL YOU SOMETHING ABOUT JESUS. HE DID THREE YEARS WHAT OTHERS COULD NOT DO IN A LIFE TIME.

AND I DON’T INCLUDE MOHAMMAD IN THE LIST. HE WAS A FALSE PROPHET WHO TAUGHT VIOLENCE IN ISLAM IN HIS TRADEMARK ENDLESS JIHAD.
planten said:
Please keep all these things in mind when you accuse some one next time.
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Please quote to me. What did I accuse you of?
planten said:
Of course he was accused of being the king of Jews. But we see the whole bible NT. He was never a king. How could Jesus be the king of kings. Let us all see and face the truth. It is no use having fancy ideas to please oneself.
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YOU MUST BE BLIND IF YOU ‘see the whole bible NT’ and do not see that Jesus is the King of kings and the Lord of lords. This is a lie caught red handed - characteristic of how people behave when following an evil religion. Do you know that Satan is the Father of all lies, the accuser of the brethrens?

The truth is one day you will come under the judgement of Jesus Christ as the Judge and King. You will answer to him for all the lies that you believe in Mohammad. And Mohammad too. Is that why you always pray for the poor soul of Mohammad?
 
dolphinlove said:
This summarize the lack of understanding you have of Jesus!
You do not, and by the looks of it, will not ever have an understanding of what Jesus did, taught and helped us with.

My friend, you need to open up your heart and eyes, it does not matter the way Jesus lived (as in poor), it does not matter the way Jesus looked, or any superficial means of the way we choose to live.
Jesus was here for a purpose, to save us, to teach us and to show his love for us.
Even from a poor family, from an upbringing that is not noble, looked what he managed to do in 33 years. He led us to the truth, he loved us, and died for our salvation.
He healed the sick, he taught us we can be forgiven, he even had the power to forgive us, now i think only God can give us this, dont you think?
Mohammed NEVER cured the sick, NEVER had authority to forgive sinners, NEVER died on the cross for our salvation and the many other numerous things Jesus did and gave us!
Your so called prophet just stole ideas from the bible and any other scriptures he could lay his hands on, and if he didnt agree with it, he called it ‘corrupt’. The quran is nothing more than one mans belief and what he could achieve from HIS life, murder, greed and the way he chooses to live. That sounds more like the work of the devil than God to me.
I think if anyone should worry about their salvation, its Muslims, to follow a self obsessed man is asking for no salvation.
Jesus was also prophetized in the old testament, it was mentioned he was going to come, therefore he is the truth.
Mohammed took out the passages of the bible that said he was coming as the next prophet, what a lot of baloney that turned out to be hey! Why on earth would God send another prophet after his Son came down for our salvation, it makes no sense. Its cause Mohammed lied.
I pray for you and all Muslims that you do see the truth. And thats another thing, you are not allowed to pray for what you deem is ‘non believers’, thats another thing that flaws your religion, why on earth would God not want you to pray for others, wouldnt an all loving God want us to pray for everybody?
Anyway, ill pray for you.
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Thanks Dolph. 🙂 👍

Your last paragraph is very telling. Muslims don’t pray for non-believers. Muslims have typically divided the world into two spheres, known as the Dar al-Islam—the “house of Islam” or “house of submission” to God—and the Dar al-Harb, or “house of war”—those who are at war with God.

It means that Muslims have believed themselves to have a “manifest destiny.” Since God must win in the end, the Dar al-Harb must be brought under the control of Muslim government and made part of the Dar al-Islam.

To them we are from ‘the house of war’, to be conquered, subjugated and humiliated. If they pray for us, I’m not surprised it would be only for our subjugation!
 
Reuben_J said:
YOU MUST BE BLIND IF YOU ‘see the whole bible NT’ and do not see that Jesus is the King of kings and the Lord of lords. This is a lie caught red handed - characteristic of how people behave when following an evil religion. Do you know that Satan is the Father of all lies, the accuser of the brethrens?
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Before someone jump in to reprimand me for calling Planten a liar… . He said he see the whole bible NT and do not see that Jesus is the King of kings and the Lord of lords.

It is so obvious. The Rev verse is a direct one saying this, but the concept is well explained in Mt 23-25.

Rev: 19:16
On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
 
is it not true what I read about the beginning of Islam, I mean, BEFORE Mohammad wrote the Koran, “Allah” was an arab pagan god of the moon, married to some sun goddess?

then the cult worshiping Allah proclaimed him to be the one true god, and in fact the god of “Ibrahim, and Ishmael…”

melding Jewish and Christian beliefs of the existance of 1 god, and so very many Jewish traditions, Mohammad obviously being an intellegent and charismatic warlord, and the masses ignorant and uneducated as is still the case throughout so much of the world, took advantage of this to bring together an army under the flag of allah, the one true god, and set the ball rolling?

I have read that after learning the history of the Arab people pre-islam, a number of Muslim scholars were unable to continue to believe in Islam…

If this history is true, and allah was a moon god married to a sun goddess, etc…why would any educated person ever be a muslim?
Or for that matter a Mormon, same difference, some wingnut wrote and entire “holy book” allegedly under the DIRECT dication of the creator of all the universe…

at least we believe the writers of the bible were inspired by God, not dictating word for word…some semblence of reason at work…I do have a muslim friend and I just don’t talk about it because I value his friendship, but I blows me away, (no pun intended) that anyone bothering to find out about the history of their own faith could remain a Muslim…

then again, I am sure it depends on what history one reads, right?

Muhammad was a manipulating false prophet and I hope he is in heaven praying for the conversion of his misguided followers.
 
peso73 said:
If this history is true, and allah was a moon god married to a sun goddess, etc…why would any educated person ever be a muslim?
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It’s not true. No more than Christian really is Father Zeus, Mother Semele, and Son Dionysus.
 
“muslims cannot think too much, it’s dangerous. If they come to a conclusion that is contrary to koran, they may face persecution or even death.”

How does this differ from the christian cult? Doesn’t the bible tell you that those who come to a conclusion contrary to it should be condemned to hell? In other words “death.” That isn’t very imaginative.

It is not possible to disprove a falshood with another.

Both the koran, and the bible are nothing more than fairy tales.
 
zobelone said:
“muslims cannot think too much, it’s dangerous. If they come to a conclusion that is contrary to koran, they may face persecution or even death.”

How does this differ from the christian cult? Doesn’t the bible tell you that those who come to a conclusion contrary to it should be condemned to hell? In other words “death.” That isn’t very imaginative.

It is not possible to disprove a falshood with another.

Both the koran, and the bible are nothing more than fairy tales.
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Hmmmm… another angry atheist with nothing better to do…
 
Reuben_J said:
Thanks Dolph. 🙂 👍

Your last paragraph is very telling. Muslims don’t pray for non-believers. Muslims have typically divided the world into two spheres, known as the Dar al-Islam—the “house of Islam” or “house of submission” to God—and the Dar al-Harb, or “house of war”—those who are at war with God.

It means that Muslims have believed themselves to have a “manifest destiny.” Since God must win in the end, the Dar al-Harb must be brought under the control of Muslim government and made part of the Dar al-Islam.

To them we are from ‘the house of war’, to be conquered, subjugated and humiliated. If they pray for us, I’m not surprised it would be only for our subjugation!
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Yes i fully agree with you on this!
 
FaithofAbraham said:
It’s not true. No more than Christian really is Father Zeus, Mother Semele, and Son Dionysus.
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Actually, it is really a matter of faith I guess, because no one can go back in time and see Mohammad writing the Koran or Jesus raising the dead or giving sight to the blind. So I guess if Allah is as merciful as SOME muslims claim, or if GOD is as merciful as I hope, the muslim, the athesist, and I can all laugh together in heaven about how silly the muslim and the athesist were during life! 😛

Threads like this are pointless

Peace.
 
peso73 said:
Actually, it is really a matter of faith I guess, because no one can go back in time and see Mohammad writing the Koran or Jesus raising the dead or giving sight to the blind. So I guess if Allah is as merciful as SOME muslims claim, or if GOD is as merciful as I hope, the muslim, the athesist, and I can all laugh together in heaven about how silly the muslim and the athesist were during life! 😛

Threads like this are pointless

Peace.
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Well I keep trying to tell everyone that Islam is the fulfillment of Ishmael’s promise. Judaism and then Christianity is Isaac’s promise.

Both sets of religions start with a God very intolerant of pagans and unbelievers in both Arabia under Mohammed and the Promised Land under Moses, Joshua, Elijah, and others. Complete destruction and slaughter, no mercy.

That God has not changed just because Jesus appears kind and loving in the New Testament.

In Revelation Jesus returns with fury and all these things we love and tolerate, greed and big business, TV and movies with sex and violence, nightclubs with drunken parties, pagans and Church of Satan and all that, will be utterly destroyed.

With these Muslims so harsh and intolerant of sin, off with your head if you stray and blow you to bits if you resist, you are actually seeing only a little of what is Jesus is bringing with him when he returns. Great anger and wrath and destruction against a world soft on sin.

So it’s about time Christians get their heads out of the clouds and wake up to what’s coming, because Muslims are only a taste of it. Not because Muslims say so or will actually do it, but because your own Book of Revelation says Jesus will do all this himself.
 
The book of revelation is mostly about the ending of the old covenant in 70 AD.

If you can’t get your head around the fact that killing is wrong then you and your lot will be the ones in danger of being ‘rolled up’ and cast aside.

This rightful, pious vengence bu11sh1t of Islam is responsible for a lot of sin in the world.

Don’t think that violent Islam has anything to do with God.
There is no connection. All who follow it are well and truely in the grip of the devil, just like Mohammad.
 
dolphinlove said:
This summarize the lack of understanding you have of Jesus!
You do not, and by the looks of it, will not ever have an understanding of what Jesus did, taught and helped us with.

My friend, you need to open up your heart and eyes, it does not matter the way Jesus lived (as in poor), it does not matter the way Jesus looked, or any superficial means of the way we choose to live.
Jesus was here for a purpose, to save us, to teach us and to show his love for us.
Even from a poor family, from an upbringing that is not noble, looked what he managed to do in 33 years. He led us to the truth, he loved us, and died for our salvation. (I have no doubt in that)
He healed the sick, he taught us we can be forgiven, he even had the power to forgive us, now i think only God can give us this, dont you think? (I have no doubt. Jesus did very well)
Mohammed NEVER cured the sick, NEVER had authority to forgive sinners, NEVER died on the cross for our salvation and the many other numerous things Jesus did and gave us! (Muhammad cured the spiritually sick people and I believe that Jesus did the same)
Your so called prophet just stole ideas from the bible and any other scriptures he could lay his hands on, and if he didnt agree with it, he called it ‘corrupt’. The quran is nothing more than one mans belief and what he could achieve from HIS life, murder, greed and the way he chooses to live. That sounds more like the work of the devil than God to me. (That was bad of you)
I think if anyone should worry about their salvation, its Muslims, to follow a self obsessed man is asking for no salvation.
Jesus was also prophetized in the old testament, it was mentioned he was going to come, therefore he is the truth. (He was prophetised so he was a prophet. Nothing more. He prophesied. So Jesus was only a prophet, nothing more.)
Mohammed took out the passages of the bible that said he was coming as the next prophet, what a lot of baloney that turned out to be hey! Why on earth would God send another prophet after his Son came down for our salvation, it makes no sense. Its cause Mohammed lied. (You heard the parable of the tenants. The tenants tried to kill the son of the Master (God). Then Jesus said, "What will happen? Then the Master will come Himself and take account from the tenants (infidels). That means some one will come after the son. Jesus said it himself. So the coming of Muhammad was like the coming of God Himself. And Muhammad took account of the infidels.
By the time Muhammad came, the christianity was also spoiled and totally misled, gone astray. So Muhammad had to address them too.)
I pray for you and all Muslims that you do see the truth. And thats another thing, you are not allowed to pray for what you deem is ‘non believers’, thats another thing that flaws your religion, why on earth would God not want you to pray for others, wouldnt an all loving God want us to pray for everybody?
Anyway, ill pray for you.
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(Thanks for your prayers. Please also note if your prayers are answered/ accepted or not)

I am not questioning what Jesus did and what he did not do. He did everything very well. Some one had called him a king and king of kings. I was replying to that. The christians use too many metaphors, that is son of God and begotten and Trinity and king etc. It would be better to use the real words.
I know that Jesus was not a king nor did he rule any where. His followers ruled quite a lot. BUt he himself never ruled. But Muhammad ruled in his life time. So did his followers. So Muhammad can be called a king and king of kings. But not Jesus.
 
abucs said:
The book of revelation is mostly about the ending of the old covenant in 70 AD.

If you can’t get your head around the fact that killing is wrong then you and your lot will be the ones in danger of being ‘rolled up’ and cast aside.

This rightful, pious vengence bu11sh1t of Islam is responsible for a lot of sin in the world.

Don’t think that violent Islam has anything to do with God.
There is no connection. All who follow it are well and truely in the grip of the devil, just like Mohammad.
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Killing is wrong for me. It’s not wrong for God though.

1 Kings 18:40 And Elijah said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape. And they took them: and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there.

Elijah, Mohammed. You can’t question who God might use to punish unbelievers, if you believe the God of the Bible.

Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

None of that in Revelation has happened yet, a lot of it is just beginning.
 
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