Why is "Natural Family Planning" ok when other contraceptive methods are not?

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Someone on EWTN Radio said it well a few weeks ago. (Paraphrasing slightly) “Waiting for the infertile time versus contraception is like the difference between waiting for Grandma to die and knocking her off yourself.”

NFP is very often presented as an alternative to birth control, but for Catholics it’s really an alternative to total abstinence. Contraception is a moral evil; abstinence is not. Practicing NFP is on a continuum between total abstinence and total non-abstinence. If a married couple must avoid conception, it is no sin to abstain entirely. If the danger is not quite so severe they can make love in the infertile time, so as to deny each other less. NFP is a matter of prudence in obedience to God. As one said above, if there is no serious reason to avoid pregnancy then purposely avoiding making love in the fertile time can be sinful, but it still would not make the lovemaking in the infertile time sinful.

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“Callirhoe”
 
Each act of completed intercourse that is unaltered by the couple is objectively ordered to unity and procreation.
Just to throw a spanner in the works, by ‘completed’, does that mean that if my husband withdraws before completing the act, this is also wrong? We don’t use any other method of contraception, but I know my husband worries a lot that we are not ready for another child. Our first (and only) child is now 5.
 
Just to throw a spanner in the works, by ‘completed’, does that mean that if my husband withdraws before completing the act, this is also wrong? We don’t use any other method of contraception, but I know my husband worries a lot that we are not ready for another child. Our first (and only) child is now 5.
Yes, withdrawal is wrong.It is a contraceptive act. You need to switch to NFP if you have good reason to be avoiding concieving a child right now.
 
Just wanted to jump in and point out that some couples use NFP to GET pregnant. The same cannot be said for contraceptives. Therein lies the biggest difference, IMO.
That’s exactly what I was thinking when I read this thread. My cycle had been exactly the same for a very long time. I always ovulated on the same day. It was like clockwork. We felt like we had just reasons to avoid (although today they aren’t reasons that I would even worry about). We found out that we would be blessed with our first little one when I suddenly ovulated four days early. It can happen (and of the people that I know in person that practice NFP… it isn’t that uncommon).
Second, NFP is supposed to be practiced with regret, not as the normal course of married life. NFP is there when it is necessary to delay a baby due to serious reasons, such as the mother’s health, etc.
Don’t forget the other side though :). NFP can also be used to achieve pregnancy, so it can also be a pretty joyful thing for couples that haven’t been able to conceive and that finally do! It took us five cycles this last time (I don’t think people think of that side of NFP very often) and were ecstatic when my temps finally stayed high! I’m praying we don’t have to use it to avoid (I definitely can see that side of what your saying), but it’s such a blessing when your trying to conceive too!
 
Just to throw a spanner in the works, by ‘completed’, does that mean that if my husband withdraws before completing the act, this is also wrong? We don’t use any other method of contraception, but I know my husband worries a lot that we are not ready for another child. Our first (and only) child is now 5.
To add to what Seatuck said, not only is this wrong (called “Onanism”–see Genesis 38:9,10) but is a contraceptive act and, therefore, a mortal sin. Please go to confession a.s.a.p.!

In addition, withdrawal is the totally ineffective because there is always some leakage prior to the climax. NFP gives you the ability to know when you’re fertile so you know when to abstain.

Tracy
 
Just to quickly throw in my two cents before my son wakes up:

you can judge something by its fruit, so to speak. Fruit of NFP: greater communication between the couple; the woman’s cycle of fertility is respected instead of treated like a disease that requires medication (the Pill), handling with a barrier (condom); the husband is involved in the wife’s cycle and is never surprised by PMS : ); because you’re keeping track of your fertility signs and become familiar with them, you can tell pretty quickly if something’s wrong; you know when you conceived, within a couple of days, so you don’t have to guess at your due date (this is fun at the doctor’s office, they’re trying to use Niel’s rule or whatever it’s called to calculate from the first day of your last period to figure out how far along you are, and you’re like, “it was this day, give or take 24 hours, here’s my chart”); it increases self-control, always a good virtue to cultivate; it helps you see, during those times you do need to postpone, that your marriage can survive just fine without regular sex, which is helpful 'cause eventually those parts don’t work anymore anyway and we all hope to live long enough with our spouses to get to that point; constantly re-evaluating your reasons for postponing because you have to sacrifice something, so you’re talking about why you’re postponing, is it time to have another, do we have a good reason. This is, when it hits the ground, how it’s more open to life - you’re constantly thinking about it because it takes a concerted effort to postpone, not like popping a pill, getting an implant, or donning a condom. The default is to be open to life, only postponing, as one person put it, with regret. It’s not about whether or not you “want” another one, it’s about whether or not you have just cause to postpone. Children are seen as a blessing to be open to receiving, not an unfortunate side-effect of sex.

Fruit of contraception (i will lump all forms into one for the sake of time): increased cancer risk, treating the woman’s fertility like a disease that requires medication or a barrier; increased rates of child abuse, divorce, infidelity, abortion in societies that use contraception; the Pill can act as an abortifacient, which NFP could never do; almost every girl I’ve known who’s gone on the Pill has gotten pretty sick from it, and those patches, shots, and implants carry the risk of heart attacks, blood clots, internal bleeding, loss of bone density, etc., and DEATH, yes DEATH, which NFP could never do; the man can be completely oblivious to anything regarding responsibility for the children, can blame the woman for “messing up” their method, can just use his wife for his own selfish pleasure because birth control is a “women’s reproductive health issue”. The default is sex with no babies, only being open to life when you “want” another child. That’s why, for those who get pregnant while using contraception, the response is often, to quote one guy we know, “oh ****.”

NFP works with the cycle God gave women of fertility and infertility, whereas contraception interferes with the woman’s cycle (chemical means) or acts as a barrier to neutralize the woman’s fertility (condoms, etc.). When else does a doctor prescribe something for a perfectly healthy person in order to make it so their system no longer works properly? NFP works with what God gave us, contraception works against it. Sure, both can result in “avoiding” pregnancy, but that is not really the issue here. The issues are WHY you want to avoid pregnancy and HOW you’re doing it: are you selfishly trying to limit you family in unnecessary ways? are you working with the cycle given by God (women’s cycle of fertility) or are you trying to override it?** Perhaps those who find NFP and contraception to be the same are the ones who are using NFP just like they would use contraception, with the default NOT being openness to children. If NFP use isn’t accompanied by the correct spiritual framework, then it can become, I suppose, just another means to avoid pregnancy. **

It is highly effective, and I think there’s nothing wrong with touting that. The “world” needs to see that what we’re doing is not only moral, but that it actually works and is much more “scientific” than any contraceptive method. We’re not a bunch of sheep following rules made for us by a celibate male hierarchy who doesn’t really care whether or not any of this actually works in daily life. It’s real, it really works, there’s excellent science to back it up, and it’s more pro-woman than anything else because our husbands do not demand that we neutralize the beauty of our fertility for their own sexual pleasure.

hope this helps. I struggled with this myself.
 
Glib answer: For precisely the reason people are desperate to avoid practicing NFP and want to use contraception instead - it’s hard. Most healthy things in life are harder than unhealthy things. Using NFP to avoid conception requires the couple to abstain from sex during the fertile time. This sexual ‘fast’ is what helps the couple avoid the divorce between sex and babies that occurs when they use contraception.

It’s pretty clear that God made sex for BOTH the unitive value to the couple and for procreation (makin’ babies). But perhaps we’ve jumped the gun in thinking that just because it is easy to PHYSICALLY separate those two functions that the emotional and spiritual functions sever just as neatly. They don’t. Contracepting couples subtly change the NATURE of sex into something mutually selfish - it’s about the pleasure. NFP, by requiring abstinance during the fertile time, tends towards keeping the ‘baby’ part of sex attached (you think hard about babies monthly!), even when serious reasons argue against havng another right now. That helps keep the sex in the mutually giving attitude it is supposed to be instead of turning into a mindset of “gettin’ some.”
I’ve always had a bit of a problem withthe NFP method because it makes it seem that if you’re both sexually turned on enough that you’ll be willing to risk getting pregnant - that better be some bloody good sex if you’re not really wanting to have a kid.

I also believe that it’s generally a good idea to know that you can handle having a chilod or another child - I know a few cuople who have used NFP to put off having children have gone by it religiously for want of a better word and still ended up pregnant (for all that I hear about NFP being so effective, I’ve had two pregnancies when we “religiously” tried using two methods) and I felt AWFUL telling my husband - “no deal” that we couldn’t make love when he wanted to because I was not in a place where I should get pregnant - then wound up getting pregnant anyway because I was told by our teachers (AFTER THE FACT) that sometimes another egg can be released not during the normal time you know about it - but it’s rare so it doesn’t come up so much. I have friends who have used NFP, gotten pregnant and wound up having to abort (or feeling like they had to) because they couldn’t afford the pregnancy (I didn’t know until after the fact when I told one of my friends I got pregnant on NFP-twice) - so NFP can lead to abortion just the same as birth control can. It seems there are some on here that believe it can’t.

God Bless
Rye
 
In fact, St. Augustine condemned natural family planning. It is wrong to interfer with contraception by any method.

The possibility of conceiving children (and the acceptance of the accompanying responsibility of raising them) is necessarily attached to the sexual act.

I think it is simply an argument of convenience on the part of the Church (as a concession to those with a worldly metaphysic), that natural family planning is acceptable.

If a couple does not want children, they should stop having sex. St. Clement of Alexandria said, “to have sex other than to procreate children, is to do injury to nature.”

If you read the story of Onan in Genesis (38-8-10), he wants to have sex but avoid the risk of conception. For this he is condemned, and destroyed by God.

“Never a rose without a thorn, but many a thorn without a rose”. (Schopenhauer)
 
I’ve always had a bit of a problem withthe NFP method because it makes it seem that if you’re both sexually turned on enough that you’ll be willing to risk getting pregnant - that better be some bloody good sex if you’re not really wanting to have a kid.

I also believe that it’s generally a good idea to know that you can handle having a chilod or another child - I know a few couple who have used NFP to put off having children have gone by it religiously for want of a better word and still ended up pregnant (for all that I hear about NFP being so effective, I’ve had two pregnancies when we “religiously” tried using two methods) and I felt AWFUL telling my husband - “no deal” that we couldn’t make love when he wanted to because I was not in a place where I should get pregnant - then wound up getting pregnant anyway because I was told by our teachers (AFTER THE FACT) that sometimes another egg can be released not during the normal time you know about it - but it’s rare so it doesn’t come up so much. I have friends who have used NFP, gotten pregnant and wound up having to abort (or feeling like they had to) because they couldn’t afford the pregnancy (I didn’t know until after the fact when I told one of my friends I got pregnant on NFP-twice) - so NFP can lead to abortion just the same as birth control can. It seems there are some on here that believe it can’t.

God Bless
Rye
I can sympathize with your issue of having gotten pregnant using a method of NFP (twice, in fact, for me as well). However, we had not been taught by certified teachers and were trying to figure it out for ourselves.

As a woman who can (and has) gotten pregnant very easily (13 so far, with 6 living children), I can attest that Sympto-Thermal NFP is very effective. If we can avoid pregnancy with it ANYONE can! However, it does require that you actually learn the method from reliable teachers. STM already counts in the possibility of a second ovulation for every cycle.

If, by possibility, one of those methods you or your friends have tried was Rhythm, then please know that NO ONE in the modern NFP movement has taught that method since the 1960’s. You can find it in textbooks and that’s what doctors must be told NFP is, because those are the only places you’ll find it in this day and age. Rhythm only works for women with perfect 28 day cycles. The modern methods of NFP do not depend upon that timeframe.

As far as NFP leading to abortion–only if the couple is using it with a contraceptive mentality.

NFP is also intended to be a process used by the couple, not just the wife. The husbands should be attending the same classes as their wives and learning how to read the charts themselves. No wife should have to tell her husband when it’s her fertile time. I consider men who think this too much effort for them to be so extremely immature that getting married should be postponed until they grow up. This is a decision made by the couple, not the wife alone.

Aside from practicalities, we believe the Pope to be infallibly led of the Holy Spirit in matters of faith and morals. Popes have forbidden contraception for centuries, knowing its harm to women and society. If you want an interesting and chilling read, read Humane Vitae–Paul VI was prophetic in what he wrote. To reject NFP as an option (as another poster has claimed) is to say you regard St. Augustine as higher in authority than the Pope. To reject NFP based on your own opinion is to reject Christ’s authority through His Vicar on earth.

It is not an easy thing to deny yourself when you’re “in the mood.” However, you denied yourself before marriage (or should have) and you can now. This is when you decide to put the good of others above your own desires. And that is, after all, what the Christian life is all about in the first place.

Tracy
 
In fact, St. Augustine condemned natural family planning. It is wrong to interfer with contraception by any method.
If St. Augustine lived in 1968, he would have submitted his own view to that of the Vicar of Christ on earth. We can point to many teachings of the great saints of the Church that were not approved later on. That is why Jesus appointed ONE who would have the last word. Otherwise, we might as well go back to being Protestants–and being our own popes.

Tracy
 
History shows us that Popes sometimes get it wrong. If NFP is used to prevent pregnancy, it IS being used as a contraceptive. How can you say the a method designed to prevent pregnancy is anything other than contraceptive?

The Church’s teaching on NFP is not an article of faith or dogma. It is certainly not an infallible teaching!

“NFP” is contraception, pure and simple- contraceptive in intent, and contraceptive in effect.
 
In fact, St. Augustine condemned natural family planning. It is wrong to interfer with contraception by any method.
Care to provide a source for this statement?

I think it would be difficult for St. Augustine to condemn something that didn’t exist until 1500 years after he died.
If a couple does not want children, they should stop having sex.
That is what one does when one practices NFP. One abstains from relations.
St. Clement of Alexandria said, “to have sex other than to procreate children, is to do injury to nature.”
Saints are not infallible. This statement conflicts with Church teaching.
If you read the story of Onan in Genesis (38-8-10), he wants to have sex but avoid the risk of conception. For this he is condemned, and destroyed by God.
Yes, Onan committed the sin of contraception.
 
Just to throw a spanner in the works, by ‘completed’, does that mean that if my husband withdraws before completing the act, this is also wrong? We don’t use any other method of contraception, but I know my husband worries a lot that we are not ready for another child. Our first (and only) child is now 5.
Yes. This is contraception and it is wrong.

And, morality aside, it’s also higly ineffective as a method of birth control. Please learn Natural Family Planning if you have a serious reason to avoid pregnancy.
 
=AskSeekKnock;6139559]I understand and respect the teaching that contraception interferes with God’s plan, and that to partake in his gift of sexuality without simultaneous openness to the creation of new life is to take only half of what God intended for us.
I’m having a hard time understanding, however, why it is that natural family planning (NFP) is ok when it is, in fact, a method of contraception. Modern symptothermal fertility awareness, complete with basal body temperature, cervical monitoring, luteinizing hormone assays, etc. make NFP more effective than condoms when used correctly. So there is less “openness” to new life, statistically speaking, with NFP and yet NFP is acceptable while condoms are not.
In a similar vein, intercourse during the luteal phase of the menstrual cycle can never result in pregnancy, and an NFP couple knows this well. Do they then sin having intercourse then, since there is no openness to new life at that time? What about intercourse when a woman is already pregnant - no chance for another pregnancy then, so no openness to creation there either. And intercourse after menopause - is that sinful?
*Please do not take my comments as a light hearted attempt to respond to your profound questions.

The answer to your final question is No they do not sin, because that is part and partial of how women are Created.

The answer to the OPW…

In the hierarchy of Order and Control,

God has His job, and we have “our job.”

Our job is to Obey and to be open to His Will,

God’s job is to determine if and when a pregnancy occurs. [Every sexual act does not result in pregnancy.]

To not accept and employ NFP is to freely deny God His rightful role in life matters. Further, it denies the architect of Creations MASTER PALN, and substitute’s selfish and prideful technology, and lust commonly replaces love.

An all -Knowing, all-Wise, all-Good God made us in a specific and precise manner for the POSSIBILITY of birth in order to retain the right to decide ALL life and death issues.

Anything that interrupts this Divine Plan, Denies God, Denies God’s Wisdom and Denies God’s Will; all of which are Mortally sinful.

As the architect of Humanity, God knows well our limitations, and built into the act of married sexual union, an opportunity that He can accept, and that we must accept, to space our children, if there is legitimist need and cause.

This is acceptable to God because it remains natural. Open to the :POSSIBILITY of life, and does not place a physical barrier designed by man to prevent pregnancy*.
 
History shows us that Popes sometimes get it wrong. If NFP is used to prevent pregnancy, it IS being used as a contraceptive. How can you say the a method designed to prevent pregnancy is anything other than contraceptive?

The Church’s teaching on NFP is not an article of faith or dogma. It is certainly not an infallible teaching!

“NFP” is contraception, pure and simple- contraceptive in intent, and contraceptive in effect.
It sounds like you’re coming awfully close to saying that the Pope is wrong in saying that NFP is a morally just way to try to control when to get pregnant. That’s some dangerous territory as a Catholic you’re standing in. You are free to use (if married and if your spouse is in agreement with you) nothing at all and have as many children as you can support if that is the wish of both of you. But please keep in mind that regardless of using NFP or the pill or whatever for birth control/contraception, if God wants you to get pregnant and you’re having sex, you will get pregnant regardless. There are many out there that can avow to this fact
God bless
Rye
 
Care to provide a source for this statement?

I think it would be difficult for St. Augustine to condemn something that didn’t exist until 1500 years after he died.

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You are wrong. Natural Family Planning has been around for a long time- anyone who breeds domestic animals can work it out.

In 338 Augustine wrote in “On the Morals of the Manicheans”:
“Is it not you (the Manicheans) who used to counsel us to observe as much as possible the time when a woman, after her purification, is most likely to conceive, and to abstain from cohabitation at that time…? From this it follows that you consider marriage is not to procreate children, but to satiate lust.”

''Abstaining from cohabitation", when the “woman is most likely to conceive” is exactly what NFP is. It is a reference to NFP, unambiguously condemning it- as early as the 4th Century.
 
You are wrong. Natural Family Planning has been around for a long time- anyone who breeds domestic animals can work it out.

In 338 Augustine wrote in “On the Morals of the Manicheans”:
“Is it not you (the Manicheans) who used to counsel us to observe as much as possible the time when a woman, after her purification, is most likely to conceive, and to abstain from cohabitation at that time…? From this it follows that you consider marriage is not to procreate children, but to satiate lust.”

''Abstaining from cohabitation", when the “woman is most likely to conceive” is exactly what NFP is. It is a reference to NFP, unambiguously condemning it- as early as the 4th Century.
Well, I guess it’s a good thing that St. Augustine didn’t become a Pope and put his sign of Infalibility on it - but wait that Infalibility has really only been put on one thing anyway - that having to do with the Immaculate Conception.
Again just because a Saint said it does not mean that we must abide by it or that it is something the Pope has backed up. It’s generally a good idea to listen to what they said but it doens’t mean we must follow it. They were in a different time when people welcomed children and had to have many because of the death rate. For whatever reason the Pope has given us the o.k. to use NFP if we believe we have good reason to put off having children - He did not say what those reasons were or what they had to be or include. We have to have something to space children in this society and time because quite frankly many of us just can’t afford to have as many children as we possibly could.
And in all honesty, I’m glad I can think about having children and if I have everything I need in order to give them the life I want to give them. And as a last comment, if God wants me to get pregnant neither nfp of abc is going to stop that happening as long as my husband and I are active.
God Bless
Rye
 
And as a last comment, if God wants me to get pregnant neither nfp of abc is going to stop that happening as long as my husband and I are active.
God Bless
Rye
Rye,

I think you have made a very valid point there, although I would disagree with one aspect.

NFP always allows God to give a pregnancy even if everything indicates infertility. However, I would not agree that contraception does the same thing.

If a couple is contracepting, then they are using their free will to choose to control things their own way, regardless of God’s directives through His Church. In that case, it’s sort of like someone saying that a person who commits suicide is within the will of God because it was their “time.” No, one can act contrary to the will of God–He gives us that option–and contraception is a wrenching of control out of His hands into our’s. God may wish to give someone children, but their use of contraception slams the door in His face. Besides, for all the children aborted through the use of the Pill, IUD, Depo-provera, etc., we know it happens…

Tracy
 
Rye,

I think you have made a very valid point there, although I would disagree with one aspect.

NFP always allows God to give a pregnancy even if everything indicates infertility. However, I would not agree that contraception does the same thing.

If a couple is contracepting, then they are using their free will to choose to control things their own way, regardless of God’s directives through His Church. In that case, it’s sort of like someone saying that a person who commits suicide is within the will of God because it was their “time.” No, one can act contrary to the will of God–He gives us that option–and contraception is a wrenching of control out of His hands into our’s. God may wish to give someone children, but their use of contraception slams the door in His face. Besides, for all the children aborted through the use of the Pill, IUD, Depo-provera, etc., we know it happens…

I would agree with your first point but for one thing - how then do explain why so many wind up pregnant while using birth control - I’ts happened to me as well as with NFP. It seems that (IMHO) God can allow anything to happen he likes. I wish I understood why it sometimes happens (if it’s different) with abc - I understand with NFP (even though it really bites that you think you’re all good and then find that all of your abstaining did nothing because you wound up pregnant anyway!) -

Also, you mention the children aborted through the pill, etc - I have read on the inserts that it “may” cause this- I still have yet to see one study that proved that this occured. I would be very happy to see one if you have it (and not just Catholic doctors saying they “know” it happens) - show me medical proof, then I will believe. I guess I’m rather like St. Thomas needing to see, but when I saw a 12 week pregnancy aborted and saw the child (the silent scream) moving away and the heart rate increasing - no person I believe could deny that was a child that felt things. But I do agree with what you said otherwise. I’m really trying to pray about abc even though I’m allowed to use it because of medical reasons. (before someone says something - double effect comes into play with my condition)

God Bless
Rye
 
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