Why is NFP okay, but artificial contraceptives are not?

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First off,I must admit that I did not wade through all of these variously interesting and adroit posts, which I presume follow what might have been the logic of the Pharisees,to wit: if one is able to couch one’s behavior within legalistic parameters, then one behaves legally; if not, be damned!

But is it not true that Jesus, who noted that the Pharisees had hearts of stone, saw behaviors in a different light? …
How can someone–who doesn’t even bother reading the other posts–presume to know the hearts of the other posters?

Those of us who support the Church teachings are not condemning anyone–we’re attempting to present Church teachings in ways that might help others understand the difference between NFP vs. artificial contraception. That was the thread topic. You also discuss also Church teachings, but you dance around the topic, appear to condemn people who use NFP, throw out accusations about “legalistic pharisees”, tell people to pray and follow their consciences (and what of those well formed consciences that are in line with the Church teachings that discern in prayer that they should avoid children?), and assume the posters with seven children who support the Church teachings also use NFP (I don’t).
 
“Hold on,” you say. “NFP is just that, natural.” Is it really? Only in a mechanical sense! And, I could argue, NFP is akin to lust in mind: you desired sexual intercourse, you reveled in the thought of its passion but “ARRRG!,” you were foiled - by the inopportune presence of an egg. You just sinned, mate!

You see, in a behavioral sense, NFP is unnatural, i.e., it unnaturally curtails natural behaviors that, per se, are not evil. And please spare me rejoinders about the flesh. Here I am celebrating the natural loving relationship between married couples, the personification of whose love is deleterious - for whatever reason.
You just confused NFP with desire. It is not. NFP is a mere concept, just like the concept of 1 + 1 = 2. How could a concept like that unnaturally curtail natural behaviors? NFP is a statement of a natural fact: That the woman is generally fertile 14 days before the start of menstruation. That statement certainly is not a behavior. Therefore we don’t talk of it in behavioral sense. And more so, we don’t talk of it in relation to pharisees (and scribes).
 
Being new to this forum, it will take me a while to familiarize myself with my audience.

To those of you who took my post personally, and tendered a retort, my apologies: I was not attacking you.

To those of you who did not apprehend my response, I will attempt, in the future, to construct more basic theses. But I did read, and do appreciate, your non sequiturs.

To those of you who did not realize it, I responded to the question: “Why is NFP OK, but artificial contraceptives are not.” However, I mistakenly presumed that, even the guardians of the community would, in their minds, be able to, at least, perceive my syllogism - which I will restate in a more traditional form.

Artificial - unnatural - contraception is not OK.
NFP is artificial - unnatural.
Therefore, NFP is not OK.

If anyone would like to consider and further discuss my postulate, feel free to message me.

Enjoy your discussions and May God Bless,

Monk
 
I love this subject too, but I have not done a mission. I do research in medical (health), family, & gender. I try to read whatever pops up in the academic journals about NFP or related topics on fertility, women’s & infant’s health. I hope that I will be able to weave NFP into my own work in the future. I realize I am a nerd because who else thinks reading journal articles is a good time unless they are nerdy 🤓

The research literature on NFP has been steadily growing with largely good results. I truly believe that there is a tide turning. Even if there is still a lot of work that needs to be done to change perception of NFP, the steps toward change have been made.

Ok…back to the regularly scheduled topic. 🙂
Lol, let’s be nerds together!

I read just awhile ago that NFP is recognized in national medical coding now.
 
First off, I must admit that I did not wade through all of these variously interesting and adroit posts, which I presume follow what might have been the logic of the Pharisees, to wit: if one is able to couch one’s behavior within legalistic parameters, then one behaves legally; if not, be damned!

But is it not true that Jesus, who noted that the Pharisees had hearts of stone, saw behaviors in a different light? What! heal on the Sabbath? But would you not go out [and labor] to find your lost sheep on the Sabbath? It seems that, for Jesus, one’s motivations were often viewed as the end, often regardless of the means or the end; and Jesus, seemingly, viewed the heart of one’s behavior as often transcending one’s legalistic, albeit reasoned, behavior. Consider the poor old woman who gave her last two mites. Her means and end were, to Jesus, not noteworthy. Jesus saw only a loving and selfless heart.

Aquinas teaches us that, if we follow our conscience, and our conscience is wrong, we commit the venial sin of ignorance. If we disobey our conscience, even if our our choice was “right,” (and our conscience was wrong) we commit the mortal sin of hypocracy.

Now let’s put all of this together. Lovers in marriage, having been schooled by Pharisees, are awash in legalese; good grief, just read some of these posts. At some point, these same lovers decide that seven children are sufficient evidence that they have fulfilled their mandate to procreate. Nevertheless, they wish to continue to express their love without its personification. Alas, they undertake to thwart conception - their end - but by what means? Their choices are legion.

But wait a minute: in so far as thwarting conception is ALWAYS a calculated and, therefore, an unnatural act, how can any means which thwarts conception ever be considered good?

“Hold on,” you say. “NFP is just that, natural.” Is it really? Only in a mechanical sense! And, I could argue, NFP is akin to lust in mind: you desired sexual intercourse, you reveled in the thought of its passion but “ARRRG!,” you were foiled - by the inopportune presence of an egg. You just sinned, mate!

You see, in a behavioral sense, NFP is unnatural, i.e., it unnaturally curtails natural behaviors that, per se, are not evil. And please spare me rejoinders about the flesh. Here I am celebrating the natural loving relationship between married couples, the personification of whose love is deleterious - for whatever reason.

When I view lovers in marriage, I do not see mechanics apart from behaviors, in turn apart from legalese. I see expressions of love between two committed souls, if I may, who are responding to the moment. To me it’s like the shepherd: “What, my ewe is missing? Round up the men and let’s go find her.” Sadly, I hear many posters castigating the shepherd because he violated “the law.”

All of this leads me to a conundrum. Based on my conscience - which declares that ALL means (behaviorally or mechanically) that are expressly designed to thwart contraception are unnatural, how can any means be considered other than evil?

I urge people to rely on their conscience (presumed to be “informed”) and follow the timeless teaching of Aquinas. Before making any choice in life, pray and discern what is “right” for you, at that moment, based on your situation and, prompted by the Holy Spirit, just be and do, and commit an act of love, like the poor old woman.

May God Bless,

Monk
If I am correctly understanding you what you propose is to make each of us above the authority above the Church? I can justify all types of things using your argument.
 
Artificial - unnatural - contraception is not OK.
NFP is artificial - unnatural.
Therefore, NFP is not OK.
You need to properly define natural and artificial to make your point. By natural the Church refers to the natural moral law.
 
Those who have never had to deal with the issue of NFP head on do not need to speak extensively on the issue. It’s very easy for someone who doesn’t deal with it to speak on it as an expert. It’s like someone who is divorced giving marital advice…an oxymoron to say the least.

T
 
Artificial - unnatural - contraception is not OK.
NFP is artificial - unnatural.
Therefore, NFP is not OK.

If anyone would like to consider and further discuss my postulate, feel free to message me.

Enjoy your discussions and May God Bless,

Monk
In my limited understanding of logic it appears that the syllogism is valid. I cannot agree with the conclusion, however, since your premise that NFP is artificial is not correct. There is nothing artificial nor unnatural about NFP.
 
I totally agree David V. Thanks for stating something that should’ve been said a long time ago.

T
 
Artificial - unnatural - contraception is not OK.
NFP is artificial - unnatural.
Therefore, NFP is not OK.
“Artificial” birth control is not prohibited by the Church simply because it is artificial. It’s prohibited because it is contraceptive (it either alters a natural sexual act or it alters/destroys healthy, useful human fertility). The withdrawl method is contraceptive, although it is, arguably, a natural method of birth control.

NFP is not permitted by the Church because it is “natural”. It’s premitted because it gives couples the ability to leave the procreative aspect of sex intact (a sex act is completed naturally, no alteration/destruction of healthy, useful human fertility).

In her teaching on marital sex, the Catholic Church protects us by stressing the harm in things like selfishness and contraception. She also affirms what is best in the sexual union by insisting its unitive and procreative aspects never be intentionally separated.
 
In his day, St. Augustine taught that women should not receive the Eucharist during their periods because they were unclean at that time. Do you dare to repudiate this great Doctor of the Church?

And consider Galileo. The Church denounced even the possibility of heliocentrism because it regarded proofs as lacking and argued that it was contrary to the Bible. For his genius, Galileo was forced to recant his theory, for which the Church granted him the privilege of living under house arrest until he died in 1642.

And consider the now defunct absurdity of Limbo.

I can hear the forum denizens revising their scripts and urge them to keep their erasers at hand for more changes are coming.

I had the pleasure of working with Mother Teresa and other missionaries in Haiti where one finds an infant mortality of 50% and rampant AIDS, as in the case of Africa. Perhaps you have read of talk of the possibility of the Church blessing the use of condoms to prevent this genocide. No doubt the forum answer is, “They sinned! To hell with them.”

Jesus, my brother of whom I am so proud, did all of the wrong things with all of the wrong people and members of this forum are still complaining.

When it comes to the teaching of the Magisterium, I am neither cavalier nor aloof. However, if the Church preaches ignorance, and I follow the Church, I am, in the least, guilty of the sin of ignorance, as Aquinas taught. Why? Because NOTHING trumps an informed conscience.

For those of you who are wont to apply reason to your choices and act on the basis of an informed conscience, consider reading this article catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=20879 from the editor of the Catholic Register - which, in the least, should challenge one’s means-to-an-end thinking. You see, there are a host of great thinkers - besides me - who contemplate difficult issues because we want to do the right thing in God’s eyes.

If, after reading the article, you think condoms are an evil means to a good end, so be it. If the article impels you to spit out your pablum and think for yourself, even better.

May God Bless.

Monk
 
In his day, St. Augustine taught that women should not receive the Eucharist during their periods because they were unclean at that time. Do you dare to repudiate this great Doctor of the Church?

And consider Galileo. The Church denounced even the possibility of heliocentrism because it regarded proofs as lacking and argued that it was contrary to the Bible. For his genius, Galileo was forced to recant his theory, for which the Church granted him the privilege of living under house arrest until he died in 1642.

And consider the now defunct absurdity of Limbo.

I can hear the forum denizens revising their scripts and urge them to keep their erasers at hand for more changes are coming.

I had the pleasure of working with Mother Teresa and other missionaries in Haiti where one finds an infant mortality of 50% and rampant AIDS, as in the case of Africa. Perhaps you have read of talk of the possibility of the Church blessing the use of condoms to prevent this genocide. No doubt the forum answer is, “They sinned! To hell with them.”

Jesus, my brother of whom I am so proud, did all of the wrong things with all of the wrong people and members of this forum are still complaining.

When it comes to the teaching of the Magisterium, I am neither cavalier nor aloof. However, if the Church preaches ignorance, and I follow the Church, I am, in the least, guilty of the sin of ignorance, as Aquinas taught. Why? Because NOTHING trumps an informed conscience.

For those of you who are wont to apply reason to your choices and act on the basis of an informed conscience, consider reading this article catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=20879 from the editor of the Catholic Register - which, in the least, should challenge one’s means-to-an-end thinking. You see, there are a host of great thinkers - besides me - who contemplate difficult issues because we want to do the right thing in God’s eyes.

If, after reading the article, you think condoms are an evil means to a good end, so be it. If the article impels you to spit out your pablum and think for yourself, even better.

May God Bless.

Monk
True law is always superior to conscience. You make the case for moral relativism.
 
In his day, St. Augustine taught that women should not receive the Eucharist during their periods because they were unclean at that time. Do you dare to repudiate this great Doctor of the Church?

If, after reading the article, you think condoms are an evil means to a good end, so be it. If the article impels you to spit out your pablum and think for yourself, even better.

May God Bless.

Monk
St. Augustine is a doctor of the Church, but he was not infallible. Your conscience is not infallible. The Church and Christ’s Vicar on Earth are infallible and it was the Church that made St. Augustine Doctor Ecclesia. It was the Church that recognized most of his work as orthodox and correct. The Church still uses Tertulian’s work on the Holy Spirit to this day, yet he died in excommunication.

With this in mind, I am going to side with Christ’s Church every time over my own fallible conscience.

It seems to me that many people such as yourself will read an article about the primacy of conscience and determine that it is a loophole of some kind. That, if you hold to the mantra of conscience, you cannot be wrong. “It works for me so it must be true… for me.” That is moral relevatism. The question you need to ask yourself is, does the author of this article really intend to write that I am acting correctly if my conscience dictates something that is contrary to Church teaching? No. If you follow your conscience, you are never acting wrong in the act of following your conscience, but the act commited by following your conscience can still be wrong.

Keep in mind that if you follow your conscience by doing something that is wrong and agianst Church teaching, you may not be subject to damnation. However, that does not mean that you have done something correct or good. You simply did not know that you were doing something wrong. And if your conscience is telling you to do something that the Church tells you is wrong, you DO NOT have a properly formed conscience. You will be held responsible for not properly forming your conscience… if it was a deliberate act or if you are being deliberately obtuse about matters of forming one’s conscience.
 
I think “alters the act” does not refer to the sexual act. It refers to the the act of God in putting in place the natural design and purpose of the body of man. Using ABC disturbs that original design placed on the human body. And that makes it against God’s law. But using NFP does not in anyway interfere with the natural design of the body and of its elements. It rides only with what is naturally there is.
God also put in place the natural design and purpose of the woman most desiring intercourse when she is fertile. Using NFP disturbs and inverts this natural design that tends toward procreativity in having the woman deliberately avoid her desire for intercourse when she is fertile, which God has placed in her for the purpose of fulfilling his will for the procreativity of the conjugal act. Isn’t this just another way to pervert/invert nature in order to arrive at conception-less intercourse?

God bless,

Adam
 
God also put in place the natural design and purpose of the woman most desiring intercourse when she is fertile. Using NFP disturbs and inverts this natural design that tends toward procreativity in having the woman deliberately avoid her desire for intercourse when she is fertile, which God has placed in her for the purpose of fulfilling his will for the procreativity of the conjugal act. Isn’t this just another way to pervert/invert nature in order to arrive at conception-less intercourse?

God bless,

Adam
You are drawing an improper conclusion here. Your assertion would presuppose that we must engage in intercourse every time one’s wife is ovulating and that we must desire offspring with every act of intercourse. Otherwise, we are in violation of natural law. In fact, if your supposition would necessitate that any act of abstinence during ovulation is unnatural with any woman at any time (wife or not).

Natural law is deferent for men than other animals. Unlike other animals, we are rational and have a higher calling. Sexual intercourse is not simply a means to procreate. It is ordained for us with a higher purpose than in other animals. The rational animal (man) sees emotional, romantic, spiritual, etc. worth in monogamy and in the sexual act itself. Other animals are simply breeding.
 
God also put in place the natural design and purpose of the woman most desiring intercourse when she is fertile. Using NFP disturbs and inverts this natural design that tends toward procreativity in having the woman deliberately avoid her desire for intercourse when she is fertile, which God has placed in her for the purpose of fulfilling his will for the procreativity of the conjugal act. Isn’t this just another way to pervert/invert nature in order to arrive at conception-less intercourse?

God bless,

Adam
If that is the case then do you also consider the martial act after menopause to be always immoral?
 
You are drawing an improper conclusion here. Your assertion would presuppose that we must engage in intercourse every time one’s wife is ovulating and that we must desire offspring with every act of intercourse. Otherwise, we are in violation of natural law. In fact, if your supposition would necessitate that any act of abstinence during ovulation is unnatural with any woman at any time (wife or not).
Not exactly. My assertion would only presuppose that a person couldn’t deliberately attempt to exclude nature. Living a normal Christian marriage of taking the fertile and infertile days as they come could hardly be called a deliberate intention and act designed to preclude having relations when the woman is fertile. Sometimes as an exceptional result of human life the conjugal act wouldn’t be consummated when the woman is fertile. I see this as no different than the woman’s fertile time not used by the man because he positioned himself in the wrong part of the bed. The lack of realization of God’s plan in both these cases wouldn’t be “contraception” because no deliberate intention and action was behind the lack of realization. It would simply be an unintended part of human life.
Natural law is deferent for men than other animals. Unlike other animals, we are rational and have a higher calling. Sexual intercourse is not simply a means to procreate. It is ordained for us with a higher purpose than in other animals. The rational animal (man) sees emotional, romantic, spiritual, etc. worth in monogamy and in the sexual act itself. Other animals are simply breeding.
This is very true. However, you cannot use these words to justify the deliberate separation of the unitive and procreative ends of the conjugal act. To do so is to accept contraception, which does this very thing when it posits that union can trump procreation instead of working alongside it.

God bless,

Adam
 
If that is the case then do you also consider the martial act after menopause to be always immoral?
Of course not. Intercourse after menopause couldn’t be contraception because the spouses didn’t deliberately try to exclude nature in order to keep the conjugal act from being procreative. Nature changed on its own in order to remove this possibility. Deliberately choosing to reject either 1) The time when the woman is most inclined to have intercourse (fertile times) 2) The woman’s fertile period, are only two different ways of inverting/perverting nature in order to arrive at conception-less intercourse. They stand or fall together.

God bless,

Adam
 
God also put in place the natural design and purpose of the woman most desiring intercourse when she is fertile. Using NFP disturbs and inverts this natural design that tends toward procreativity in having the woman deliberately avoid her desire for intercourse when she is fertile, which God has placed in her for the purpose of fulfilling his will for the procreativity of the conjugal act. Isn’t this just another way to pervert/invert nature in order to arrive at conception-less intercourse?

God bless,

Adam
There nothing against the natural moral law in having intercourse during non fertile times. We know this from at least two sources. One source is right reason the other is the Pope.

Which source are you basing your position on?
 
“Artificial” birth control is not prohibited by the Church simply because it is artificial. It’s prohibited because it is contraceptive (it either alters a natural sexual act or it alters/destroys healthy, useful human fertility). The withdrawl method is contraceptive, although it is, arguably, a natural method of birth control.

NFP is not permitted by the Church because it is “natural”. It’s premitted because it gives couples the ability to leave the procreative aspect of sex intact (a sex act is completed naturally, no alteration/destruction of healthy, useful human fertility).

In her teaching on marital sex, the Catholic Church protects us by stressing the harm in things like selfishness and contraception. She also affirms what is best in the sexual union by insisting its unitive and procreative aspects never be intentionally separated.
👍 Great post!!!

The Catechism doesn’t even use the term “natural family planning”. CCC 2370 calls it “Periodic continance, that is the natural method of birth regulation based on self observation and the use of infertile periods…”.

The Church is not against “artificial”–it is against sin. The Church does not require married couples to have sex every time the wife is fertile; if couples have just reason to avoid pregnancy they can observe the wife’s cycle and abstain from having sex when she’s fertile. In contrast, contraception and sterilization, treats fertility as a disease that requires latex, medication or surgery. Notice how some people call contraception “protection”–how insulting to suggest that I need to be “protected” from my husband’s sperm. In contrast, the Church regards children, fertility and even sex as gifts from God that deserve protection from sin.
 
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