Then I’d suggest that like people who have not read the Bible but only know of attributions given to it through hearsay that you don’t comment or judge that which you are in ignorance of. There are scholars who claim Plato’s works contain a “theory of forms” and this is incorrect. You are reading someone else’s take on Nietzsche’s work and I’d quote Nietzsche in this instance that “what convinces is not necessarily true - it is merely convincing”!it’s true I never read any of Nietzsche’s actual works, but based on what I have read (see first posting), I really don’t want to.
Nietzsche did not lead to Hitler. German nationalism and conservatism did. I think you need to brush up on your understanding of the overman instead of comparing it to the Nazi “Supermen”.In Zarathustra Nietzsche clearly argues in favor of the great man, the superman, which was part of the main strands that did lead to Hitler.
If Hitler misunderstood Nietzsche, that’s one thing. Nietzsche hated Germany and German nationalism, but nevertheless the doctrine of the Übermenschen was a large influence on the development of Nazism.Nietzsche did not lead to Hitler. German nationalism and conservatism did. I think you need to brush up on your understanding of the overman instead of comparing it to the Nazi “Supermen”.
Actually German Superman was heavily influenced by Blavatsky’s Secret Doctrine and it’s teachings on the root races. Ariosophists twisted her works to conform to their racist views.the doctrine of the Übermenschen was a large influence on the development of Nazism
Influences aren’t exclusive. Did you not know that Hitler would often pose in front of statues of Nietzsche, as a homage to the latter’s belief in the Superman and antisemitism?Actually German Superman was heavily influenced by Blavatsky’s Secret Doctrine and it’s teachings on the root races. Ariosophists twisted her works to conform to their racist views.
Which ones and what passages speak in such a context in these purported works?Nietzsche’s later works were gruesomely antisemitic.
The influencial figure/s may not be the actual influence! Especially in this case.Influences aren’t exclusive.
No I do not know of this. You say you’re a philosophy major. I’m wondering, did you fail your courses or are your teachers inept in their exposition of philosophy?Did you not know that Hitler would often pose in front of statues of Nietzsche, as a homage to the latter’s belief in the Superman and antisemitism?
Der Wille zur Macht and Zur Genealogie der Moral. Both of these works as a whole are gravely antisemitic. The first one, explicitly so; the second one, speaks of a slave system of valuation that’s implicitly Judaism.Which ones and what passages speak in such a context in these purported works?
I always find it interesting how people resort to attacks on the character whenever they lose debates. Are you denying that Hitler had a deep admiration for Nietzsche?, because I will gladly provide a citation for this claimNo I do not know of this. You say you’re a philosophy major. I’m wondering, did you fail your courses or are your teachers inept in their exposition of philosophy?
I disagree.Der Wille zur Macht and Zur Genealogie der Moral
Care to show me those passages I asked you for? You can paste them here for the public viewing.Both of these works as a whole are gravely antisemitic.
Huh?The first one, explicitly so; the second one, speaks of a slave system of valuation that’s implicitly Judaism.
It’s a serious inquiry, not an attack. Case in point you have shown how the writings of another can be so easily misconstrued.I always find it interesting how people resort to attacks on the character whenever they lose debates
Well, let’s start with “The Will to Power.”Care to show me those passages I asked you for? You can paste them here for the public viewing.
EphelDuath,Well, let’s start with “The Will to Power.”
“People of the lowest origin, partly mob, outcasts not only from good society, but also from respectable society; grown away from the atmosphere of culture, and free from discipline; ignorant, without even a suspicion of the fact that conscience can also rule in spiritual matters; in a word – the Jews: an instinctively crafty people, able to create an advantage, a means of seduction out of every conceivable hypothesis of superstition, even out of ignorance itself.”
Pg. 163
The first proposition towards its solution is: Christianity can be understood only be referring to the soil out of which it grew-- it is not a counter-movement against the Jewish instinct, it is actually its logical consequence, one further conclusion of its fear-inspiring logic. In the Redeemer’s formula: ‘Salvation is of the Jews.’-- The second proposition is: the psychological type of the Galiliean is still recognizable-- but only in a completely degenerate form…
From the Anti-Christ, section 24. Translation R.J. Hollingdale.The Jews are the most remarkable nation of world history because, faced with the question of being or not being, they preferred, with a perfectly uncanny conviction, being at any price: the price they had to pay was the radical falsification of all nature, all naturalness, all reality, the entire inner world as well as the outer. They defined themselves counter to all those conditions under which a nation was previously able to live, was permitted to live; they made of themselves an antithesis to natural conditions-- they inverted religion, religious worship, morality, history, psychology one after the other in an irreparable way into the contradiction of their natural values. We encounter the same phenomenon again and in unutterably vaster proportions, although only as a copy-- the Christian Church, in contrast to the ‘nation of saints’, renounces all claim to originality. For precisely this reason the Jews are the most fateful nation in world history; their after-effect has falsified mankind to such an extent that today the Christian is able to feel anti-Jewish without realizing he is the ultimate consequence of the Jews.
Instinctual hate? That is calumny. Criticism is not “hate”.Sorry, I have no respect for people that have an instinctual hate for millions of people, even if it’s not racially based.
I’m not sure that Nietzsche believed the eternal return was actually cosmologically true or real. It seems to be another of his mythological accounts.I’m a philosophy major, specializing in ethics, and I think most of what Nietzsche wrote was rather ridiculous. He rattled against nihilism, but his belief in the eternal recurrence is rather nihilistic in itself – why do anything, if it’s going to happen inevitably an infinite amount of times anyway?
I’m not an expert on Nietzsche by any means, but I’ve read many of his works and I don’t think this is the case. The eternal recurrence seems to be a rather important part of his philosophy, as to Nietzsche, it gives one a purpose in life independent of virtue or desire for an afterlife.I’m not sure that Nietzsche believed the eternal return was actually cosmologically true or real. It seems to be another of his mythological accounts.
But let’s turn this around and ask the question, would Nietzsche have admired Hitler, had he lived to see Hitler and his Reich? Many people would say no, and that the connection is a forced one.Der Wille zur Macht and Zur Genealogie der Moral. Both of these works as a whole are gravely antisemitic. The first one, explicitly so; the second one, speaks of a slave system of valuation that’s implicitly Judaism.
I always find it interesting how people resort to attacks on the character whenever they lose debates. Are you denying that Hitler had a deep admiration for Nietzsche?, because I will gladly provide a citation for this claim